Former USC assistant has appeal denied, Tressel's next.
A former USC assistant football coach who was found guilty by the NCAA for the same thing Jim Tressel has done has had his appeal denied. From collegefootballtalk.com:
McNair was given a “show-cause” order by the NCAA last year, which bars him from having any contact with recruits for one year and in essence precludes him from coaching during that period given the nature of the job. The NCAA this morning reaffirmed its June decision that McNair “provided false and misleading information to the enforcement staff” and “violated NCAA legislation by signing a document certifying that he had no knowledge of NCAA violations.”
Can't wait for that August 12th hearing; should be followed by a fun season. Go Blue!
collegefootballtalk.com referenced a press release from the NCAA, so there was no other publicati to link to, but here's the cft.com article: http://collegefootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/04/29/ex-usc-assistants-appeal-denied-by-ncaa/
USC and OSU? Awesome
A shame that the appeal of the June decision took until nearly May of the following year. If OSU appeals any decision by the NCAA this fall, this might be not be behind us before the sun envelops the earth.
You mean 12.21.2012?
God Damn Mayans screw up everything.....
I wouldn't mind if OSU had to go through a long, drawn out, painful appeal process. That would be good for recruiting, wouldn't it?
I hope this gets really drawn out. It makes TSIO look not only like cheats, but whiny cheats. And the cloud will hang over them the longer this takes. If they would just take their medicine as soon as possible they could move on with things.
I would have to imagine that it is going to effect at least some recruits (seems to already effected Dunn). Then if they get hit with scholarship restrictions it will really hurt. One can hope, anyway.
Isn't this the same thing people said about USC? And (I could be very wrong here, I don't follow recruiting on the national level) didn't USC have a pretty solid haul? Maybe not on par with recent classes, but a pretty good one considering the sanctions, I thought.
I think you are right, USC has a strangle hold on recruits from so-Cal. The only team they have to compete against is UCLA and it seems like they are not really putting up a fight. USC can put together a top 10 class by recruiting kids just from California.
People say that osu gets any recruit they want from ohio. I think the usc situation might be similiar, but I feel like we will put up more of a fight that UCLA.
But, they also have that slimy, shit-weasel of a coach Lane Kiffin. He could sell sand to someone in the desert. I have a feeling the NCAA is going to be setting up a satelite office across the street from the USC football facility. This won't be the last time they get nailed.
That fat cat has some scary ass eyes. It is really freaking me out right now.
That's not Grammar Cat, that's Diabeetus Cat.
Is that Wilford Brimley's cat?
Not the picture I wanted to see at this time of day...:s
Hopefully most of the damage will be done by then.
Personally, I don't mind this wound slowly festering into a giant sweater-vest shaped scar on that program. Awaiting NCAA punishment is a punishment in itself. Maybe not the big H-bomb some expect, but it is a slow, damaging erosion.
As we know, uncertainity hurts recruiting as bad as anything.
I haven't heard much about this USC coach, probably because he's an assistant (and I'm going to guess no longer employed by USC).
However, if this were to happen to Tressell and the appeal is drawn out 10 months that's an extra 10 months of uncertainty for recruits and the OSU football program. That can't be good.
because I think he should be gone regardless, but didn't McNair go beyond lying to the NCAA? I seem to recall that he submitted forged documents or photoshopped images to try to discredit NCAA witnesses.
I don't believe what Tressel did is on the same level as that, but wouldn't submitting falsely represented documents to the NCAA technically be lying to the NCAA?
Didn't Tressel lie to the NCAA in December when OSU was trying to keep the Five eligible for the Sugar Bowl? Or did he just lie to OSU when the university was putting together their plea?
I need to re-read that Fox Sports Ohio article, the whos, whats, and whens of this case are getting a little mixed up in my head.
it is safe to assume that tressel lies whenever he says .... anything. Re-reading is not necessary, he lied. (oh yeah ... and so does the AD, Smith).
Go Blue !
Thats the thing I have a hard time with; I dont want to be an asshole about it (since were all M fans, it gets labeled that way) but no matter what way you cut the cake he lied to the NCAA by forwarding emails, knowingly playing ineligible players, submitting an appeal for said players to play in the bowl game pleading innocence and ignorance on their part and everything else thats came out.
I cant see how the NCAA has no choice but to suspend him for a season, or give him the show cause penalty. In all reality I would be happy with NO contact with the program during those 5 weeks; ie not coaching all week and then taking Saturday off.
Submitting forged documents or documents which are intended to cover up - what's the difference. In either case, the intention is to mislead the NCAA.
<br>Really, I understand the difference. But, it seems insignificant.
As much as I hate to say this because they are both bad, it's like the difference between a sin of co-mission versus omission. Most people are more accepting of a sin of omission. Especially if the person is viewed as being upstanding.
It comes across as being mostly a problem of omission, but he on multiple occasions actively worked to keep this a secret. It's not like the players were doing this and he heard about it and ignored it. He signed things saying he didn't know. He told reporters and administrators that he was keeping confidentiality while calling mentors about the issue the whole time.
I agree completely, the question will be what is the perception by the committee.
It would be a sin of omission if he simply failed to report the violations. It became a sin of commission when he signed a form that said he knew of no violations. He acted to mislead them, he did not simply fail to inform them.
Aren't they both issuing false documents? They both must be viewed by the NCAA as the legal system views perjury.
08-12-12, the hammer drop begins to fall for good on the suckeye foozeball program. It is , what it is. No mercy !
USC is not abiding by the sanctions (somehow) until after the appeal is decided. it was a low key headline I read awhile back. they took a full recruiting class and kiffin was reportedly telling recruits that they will definitely win the appeal. I don't remember where I read it unfortunately so maybe I can look it up tonight. We all know they won't win the appeal and still owe all the scholarships sanctions back.
The biggest mistake OSU has made so far is not firing Tressel immediately. Pretty soon they'll have to when he gets a show cause and the entire country will finally say "IT's about damn time!"
April 30th, 2011 at 10:38 AM ^
Why do I have this image in my head of a group of Buckeye fans standing in the center of their campus singing "Stand By Your Cheat...Errr...Man"?
I honestly hope the circus gets protracted a little bit - it would be intriguing to see a distracted and discredited Tressel attempt to coach a team while the NCAA puts on some gloves and checks his you-know-what for smuggled gems (on the sideline during a game too).....
These days they like to gather in dark basements, light creepy candles, and sing "Carmen Ohio" but as new detail after new detail is released, the renditions become more and more funereal and lifeless.
By the end of the year, they'll be singing some sort of lament or dirge...
"The light you see at the end of the tunnel
Is the headlamp of a fast-approaching train.."