demario621

November 24th, 2013 at 12:00 AM ^

Hoke sounds like a politician--states the obvious to the public, but no details or knowledge on how to fix the problem. Very much like Tommy Amaker, class guy and great character but coaching skills are quite suspect.

bigego150

November 23rd, 2013 at 5:49 PM ^

He has been given a free pass by Brandon and alot of the fans.

 

The blame has been placed on Rich Rod (amazingly so)

 

By the way, Rich Rod's Arizona team is spanking Oregon at this moment and would easily beat Michigan right now

 

Sad but true

I Like Burgers

November 23rd, 2013 at 6:05 PM ^

Its easy for Brandon to say "Hoke's the guy" now.  But after an ass whooping by Ohio State next week, and another 8-9 type win season next year the fans -- and more importantly the donors -- are going to be PISSED.

Brandon of all people knows money speaks, and when the money is pissed, he's gonna have to listen.

UMxWolverines

November 23rd, 2013 at 6:38 PM ^

Are you kidding? Donors are pissed NOW. The home schedule stinks next year. There are a bunch of people on here as well as people I talked to during the Nebraska game that aren't renewing season tickets. If Borges isn't fired I bet that number goes waaaaayyyyyyy up. 

I dumped the Dope

November 23rd, 2013 at 9:24 PM ^

When the alumni, (etc) especially wealthy ones who give a lot more than us plebes, cut off contributions, then that's when it will become an economic decision.  Such as it did with Coach Rod.

With Rod, who for whatever reasons, refused to field a defense.

All those guys/gals in Section 1 (etc)  who have been going to every game since the late 60s never ever saw Michigan get run over (by the run) and threatened to cut all support.  Brandon got that message loud and clear.

Rod was the coach he couldn't afford to keep.

While I imagine there's not exactly satisfaction anywhere, its not like we had this golden status quo which suddenly got tripped up.  We fell into a dark pit of hell and are struggling to climb out.  If progress is sensed, then it will be OK.  If the desperation and frustration last too long it will not.

bighouse22

November 23rd, 2013 at 11:01 PM ^

I don't get the sense that any changes are coming.  I think Hoke is going to live or die with Borges.  I may be wrong, but I expected to see a lot more D. Smith and Green than Toussant today as well.  

If all the blather about "the team, the team, the team" means anything then he will do what has to be done because the current plan is not working for "the team".

Mr. Yost

November 23rd, 2013 at 5:55 PM ^

A free pass by Brandon? What do you expect Brandon to do right now?

By the fans? Have you seen all of the blame placed on Hoke on just THIS site?

Rich Rod? Did you forget the Rich Rod era at Michigan? We didn't win very many games.

We have a more than the solid team (not a great team) when we play to our potential, but the offensive coordinator has single handedly ruined this season by not putting players in a position to win.

Sure, people will say "Borges didn't drop that pass..Funchess did" or "Borges didn't fumble...Gardner did." And they're right, but fI can make 50 points for every counterpoint.

no joke its hoke

November 23rd, 2013 at 6:28 PM ^

not totally disagreeing with Mr. Yost but Hoke is 7-5 in year 3 and has been going backwards since year 1. RR was 7-5 in year 3 and moving upwards(not the defense of course) if Hoke doesn't fire Borges after this season then to hell with him too.

BeatOSU52

November 23rd, 2013 at 8:06 PM ^

And I am getting tired of people talking about how Hoke's win total have regressed each year and Rich Rod's improved.  Well of course Rich Rod's improved.  When you win 3 games the first year, and then 5, it's kind of easy to improve on the win total.

 

But I do think Hoke's teams not showing progress and improvement really is not a good sign of his coaching ability.

bighouse22

November 23rd, 2013 at 11:20 PM ^

The overall trajectory from a record standpoint was moving upward, but at far to slow of a pace.  The last few games were the nail in RR coffin.  You could make the case that RR deserved year 4, but the mood around the program was so bad it had impacted recruiting.  After the blowout in the bowl game, I found it hard to defend RR in any way.  

The problem for Hoke is that he has the same issue RR had where loyalty to a particular approach/coordinator was the downfall.  RR's achilles was the defense and Hoke's is the offense.  If anything can be learned from the RR situation, it is that you can't allow one side of the ball to flounder.  He must know that the window to resolve this issue is in the offseason, but we will see.  

The other achilles heel right now for Hoke is "red letter games".

I will start with the best record:

2-1 vs. ND (RR had some success against ND too).

Now for the rest:

1-2 vs. Michigan State

1-2 vs. Nebraska

1-2 vs. Iowa

1-1 vs. OSU (this next game could become Hoke's Miss St. game if he is not careful).

My guess is that Brandon will give Hoke another year and probably two (regardless of the OSU game), but he would be wise to avoid effusive praise of this staff and this season.  His comments this past week about this being a fantastic season are contradictory to what we can all see on the field.  It makes him look out of touch with the reality on the field.  A little to loyal to his choice of "Michigan Man".

rlew

November 23rd, 2013 at 8:39 PM ^

Year 3 under Rodriguez is identical to Year 3 under Hoke. We have not improved. Also, we could easily be 4-7 right now. Some of those wins are functional losses. But tell me more about how great things are...

GoBlueInNYC

November 23rd, 2013 at 8:57 PM ^

People keep pointing out the close wins, but there were some close losses in there, too. So you consider games like Akron, UConn, or maybe the 3OT NW game as "functional losses," but I'm guessing you're not willing to consider the Nebraska, Iowa, or 4OT PSU game as "functional wins."

This team has won exactly 7 games and lost exactly 4. It's a little silly to just decide that those numbers are different than they are.