USC considering Dave Aranda/a look at how Aranda responded to last year's blowout loss to OSU

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I don't know how to embed a tweet, but Bruce Feldman reported last week that USC is looking at Dave Aranda. Sam Webb referenced the report this AM.

Bruce Feldman ‏@BruceFeldmanCFB Dec 9 Name that I hear #USC may pursue for its DC job: #Wisconsin's Dave Aranda. Does a terrific job w/ Badgers & went to college at Cal Lutheran. https://twitter.com/BruceFeldmanCFB

 

Another Aranda note: Below is a an piece about Aranda's response to being blown out by OSU last year. Wisconsin played Auburn in their bowl, so they were facing a similar offense. Wisconsin beat Auburn 34-31 after losing 59-0 to OSU. For comparison's sake: Auburn' gained 485 yards per game last year. They were 5th in FEI and 4th in S&P+. OSU gained 512 per game. They were 3rd in FEI and 1st in S&P+. Some highlights of the article:

The Badgers played 2-4-5 nickel personnel with cornerback Darius Hillary in the nickel position to allow them to play man coverage on the Buckeye receivers. The outside linebackers, Vince Biegel and Joe Schobert, looked to keep the Ohio State run game forced inside of the tackle box where the inside linebackers and down safety would clean it up.

 

Although they were playing cover 3, the Badgers deep safety would just look to help over the top of the slot receiver or outside receivers on in-breaking routes in the middle of the field. He didn't drop particularly deep so that he could serve as an 8th man in the box so consequently the Badger DBs were totally isolated in man coverage without safety help on any throws outside of the hash marks.

 

The Buckeyes destroyed this game plan first by attacking the man coverage with play-action, then they took apart the run defense with zone slice and other RB-focused run schemes. The Badger safeties and linebackers struggled to navigate space well and get their hats in the appropriate places to stop the run, partly because they spent their practice week preparing to stop the QB run game.
Against Auburn, the Badgers played a different nickel package and utilized the same 2-4 personnel but with a different approach up front. This time the Badgers played with three safeties rather than three corners, and asked different things of their outside linebackers.

 

The goal remained to keep the ball between the tackles but the Badgers were able to put less stress on the linebackers and safeties by canceling out an interior gap with one of the outside linebackers playing over a tackle as a de-facto defensive end.

 

After a coverage bust early in the game, they also substituted a new free safety, started playing cover 3, and found a solution that made it very difficult for the Tigers to bust big plays...

 

With the outside linebacker asked to play inside gaps like a defensive end, the nickel became one of the run-force players. Instead of having an eight man front the Badgers settled for getting seven players into the box but they were actually more successful here in forcing the Tigers to play in tighter spaces and freeing their inside linebackers from having to pick the right gap playing behind only two DL.

 

More importantly, they were in much better shape against the passing game giving up only 6.9 yards per pass after the initial 66 yard coverage bust. Auburn was still able to run the ball but weren't able to consistently land big punches.

http://www.footballstudyhall.com/2015/7/23/9013753/wisconsins-Badgers-v…

blue_israel

December 14th, 2015 at 12:41 PM ^

He would simply cause a torrential downpour whenever the opponent was on offense. Greg Mattison could still do the actual coordinating - but it would be much easier when the offense is basically blinded by the rain.

Oh yeah - and he would hold OSU to around 14 pts/game.

BlueinOK

December 14th, 2015 at 1:02 PM ^

I just want Lance in here. Bring in Long with him and close out this recruiting class. I have a feeling the d-line will be nasty along with the DBs and will cover up a young and athletic LB group. 

Space Coyote

December 14th, 2015 at 1:17 PM ^

He plays a true one-gap 3-4 of which I've, written about and goes with a 2-4 nickel package to keep 4 LBs on the field. This plays into a great blitz package that has resulted in a ton of sacks. The OLBs have been their best group, but his ILBs have been solid to good for him, and very young with good promise this past season. Bama killed them this year because the Wisconsin weakness the past couple seasons have been their DL, which I think is what resulted in them getting killed by OSU and Bama. They couldn't keep the ILBs clean at all. Aranda loves the SS in the box, playing him in the hole or robber zone a bit to help against the run. It's almost always a one high safety, so some similarities in coverage for Michigan. I tend to prefer more of a 4-3 look, but Aranda would be a great hire IMO. One gap 3-4: http://breakdownsports.blogspot.com/2014/10/football-fundamentals-one-g… Vs 12 personnel: http://breakdownsports.blogspot.com/2013/11/Wisconsin-Iowa-3-4-2-TE-zon… Blitz package: http://breakdownsports.blogspot.com/2014/11/football-film-review-wiscon…

alum96

December 14th, 2015 at 1:41 PM ^

Yes main issue with Aranda is he'd have to convert out of a 3-4 system. We sure aren't going 3-4 next year with our bevy of DL and lack of LB.

So the question mark with him is would he be as effective coaching a 4-3.  Considering he would only be here 2 years IMO (3 yrs max) and 2016 is not going to be a year you waste all that DL talent he'd be coaching 4-3 at least 1 year if not 2 years here.

I could see a 3-4 in 2017 perhaps with Mone being the nose guy and if you convert Onwenu to DL he could be the 2nd Mone but this assumes we find 4 viable LBs by then which is a longshot still with Gedeon gone.

From all I have read on him he is extremely studious type of guy but some guys just are better at 1 system than another since that is all they have done or known.

mich728

December 14th, 2015 at 1:27 PM ^

I hope this whole search is just us being professional and playing the waiting game for Randy Shannon. I'd easily take him over most of the candidates, except Pruitt.

steve sharik

December 14th, 2015 at 1:28 PM ^

A lot of highly-respected defensive minds are resolved that they're going to give up yards and points defending a good, up-tempo, spread attack.

As we all know, Rich Rod made it famous, then Randy Walker and Northwestern made it infamous in these parts in 2000. Shortly thereafter, a new defensive scheme at Mississippi State created by DC Joe Lee Dunn was slowing down spread offenses, and even shutting some down. The defense? 3-3-5 stack.

This defense was successful primarily because offensive coaches had never seen it before, and none of the blocking rules accounted for the alignment. Additionally, Joe Lee had a concept in his D called "SPD" which stood for "Stem/Prowl/Disguise." Every player on the defense had freedom--the D-Line could stem into different shades and gaps, the LBs could prowl in and out of gaps, and the DBs could disguise their look amongst press, off, inside/outside shade, safety depth, etc.

So the spread run game against the 3-3-5 stack was stifled to a large degree. Moreover, Joe Lee was a blitz-happy fool

Not only did the offense have to figure out blocking rules, they had to figure out who was where and what the D was actually in. I sat in meetings w/Joe Lee and other DCs from his tree where we'd watch film and the DC himself couldn't tell what the play call was pre-snap a lot of the time. He either had to read the play list or he had to wait until the ball was snapped and see who ended up where.

Eventually, opposing coaches found a solution. (They always do.)

The 3-3-5 stack of Joe Lee Dunn would always keep the 3-3 in the box, and the 5 DBs would align over the 5 eligible receivers, so almost always there would be one DB in the deep middle b/c the 5th receiver was the RB (empty formations the exception). In other words, the defense always used 1-high coverages. Once offensive guys figured this out, they would run a ton of 1-high "beaters." Additionally, these coaches also installed blocking schemes to account for the 3-3 stack (and zone blocking doesn't care what the structure of the defensive box is).

But I think the general philosophy to stop (or perhaps slow down) the modern spread is to A) be creative, B) be confusing, C) use hybrid personnel, and D) use multiple fronts and high safety looks. I don't buy the notion that the DL has to be able to substitute due to fatigue. You can't tell me that the OL on the other side of the ball will always be in better physical condition, and they don't ever sub mid-series. 

schreibee

December 14th, 2015 at 2:27 PM ^

When it comes to the in-depth Xs & Os that Sharik, Coyote, alum96 et al can dispense, I just try to keep up & learn. I ( and I'm sure nearly everyone who frequents this blog) appreciate the knowledge & anaysis.

So - are we all agreeing that we just have to accept that the really good offenses are going to move the ball and score some? I'd ask what about when Oregon gets into the title game (vs Auburn, osu) and gets stuffed? Maybe it takes a combination of elite athletes and coaching scheme to shut it down for that 1 all important game? But if you lose more than 1 game during the season you're not gonna be in the playoff, as it currently stands.

Then the high safety is mentioned as part of the Miss St D that was successful vs spread O - isn't it keeping the high safety even when being gouged on the ground that this blog deemed largely responsible for the collapse vs osu?

I did really like the idea of a D so confusing that the DC can't tell what's gonna happen til the ball is snapped! You get the right combo of talented & smart players you can stop a lot with that!

So - to pick the highly learned among us brains: Is there concensus among you who would be the best fit for our next DC? I say Shannon, even though he's saying he's not going anywhere. I mean, what's he supposed to say if JH is approaching him when we're about to face off against him?!

Hasn't Andersen been gouged a few too many times by Ore, ASU, etc to feel great about him?

Another thing - when it comes to which 300 lb guy will fatigue more quickly, isn't reacting and pursuing a lot more tiring than simply trying to fire out and execute a block? i mean except in rare occasions OL don't have to move more than a few feet to perform their assignment (unless the play goes for big yards and they have to keep moving downfield, screen, jet sweep etc). A DL may have to stunt, fight off blocks, pursue, continue pursuit if the play breaks. I think rotating the DL really does need to happen.

I'll take your answers over the air....

steve sharik

December 14th, 2015 at 10:22 PM ^

I'd ask what about when Oregon gets into the title game (vs Auburn, osu) and gets stuffed?
Auburn had 3 weeks to prep, OSU only had 1. I wouldn't say OSU stuffed Oregon; the Ducks had over 450 yards in 22 minutes of possession. The key to the OSU win was the 3rd down conversion battle, Oregon penalties (10/75), and red zone offset the TO margin. Yards per play weren't a whole lot different; OSU just got to run more plays.
Maybe it takes a combination of elite athletes and coaching
This is the universal truth of sports.
Then the high safety is mentioned as part of the Miss St D that was successful vs spread O - isn't it keeping the high safety even when being gouged on the ground that this blog deemed largely responsible for the collapse vs osu?
Again, the Miss State D was effective in 1999 and 2000, before offenses learned how to scheme against it. This D would get carved up against 2015 spread offense.

Mr. Yost

December 14th, 2015 at 1:57 PM ^

Who are the realistic DCC candidates? I know the sarcasm or snark for some can't be resisted. So take my "lol" now and be happy. Aranda, Shoop, Anderson...who else? Once I get all of the candidates I'll make an MGoPoll. It will not top the cereal poll.

MotownGoBlue

December 14th, 2015 at 2:30 PM ^

Toss Brent Venables hat in there for shits and giggles. Like Bud Foster, he's probably not leaving his current position, but you never know. What about Charlie Strong (2017) after he's canned next year and our 2016 DC takes a head coaching position? John Harbaugh in 2018 after Strong leaves for another shot at HC... Just preparing everybody for the inevitable revolving door of coordinators and assistants.

jsquigg

December 14th, 2015 at 2:00 PM ^

I actually think, and have seen, coaches bait the spread into doing what they want.  Most up tempo spread offenses get to the line of scrimmage quickly and then the coaches look at the defense and then call a play.  They get away with this because once they get a first down or a big play, the defense is on its heels and forced to play base sets.  I've seen some coaches show the offense an obvious weakness to trap the offense when they cover up that alignment "weakness" after the snap.

An example of this is putting 5 men in the box to bait the offense into running and then run or scrape blitzing after the snap.

This technikque is obviously not flawless since great spread offenses tend to catch on to trends, but if you can control the ball on offense and can bait the offense just enough, you can escape with a win.  I don't see great spread teams losing unless there is great team effort in all phases.

Blue Mike

December 14th, 2015 at 4:31 PM ^

Do you know what else helps stop elite offenses like Ohio State's?  Being able to keep your offense on the field for more than 5 plays.  Part of the issue we had this year was that we couldn't ground out yardage like OSU could.  Of course the defense is going to wear down and get progressively worse when the offense goes nowhere for long stretches of time.

Why do we give the offense a pass (pun intended) for crapping the bed this year, but the defense is terrible and needs a magical savior to overthrow OSU.  Maybe no matter which of the capable DCs we hire this year will have better results when the offense can put up more than 13 points in a game?

BlueMk1690

December 14th, 2015 at 6:22 PM ^

like 70% of college teams run that stuff these days and people here still act like cavemen who come across fire and think it's magic. 

People here spent years talking about how the spread is a gimmick and how it won't work in the Big Ten, now we're suddenly looking for the magician DC who can stop spread offenses cold and predictably end up with a very very short list.