Report: Mariota, Winston's Wonderlic scores leaked
Interesting article:
This was interesting and begs the question, how important is IQ or basic intelligence to sports and particularly football? What do they mean when they say someone has a high football IQ really? Does this correlate to football success or not?
April 15th, 2015 at 12:37 PM ^
I'm sure it is somewhat important for QBs. However, I would also bet that there are some pretty dumb CBs, WRs, etc with bad scores that have been very good players.
April 15th, 2015 at 12:41 PM ^
Terry Bradshaw scored a 16. He ended up winning four Super Bowls, calling games for CBS, being a co-host for Fox Sports and has had plenty of roles on TV sitcoms and in movies.
The only thing the Wonderlic "indicates" is that it really can't be trusted as in "indicator" of anything.
maybe some other top CB, but I remember somebody said they just signed their name and left because it wasn't going to affect his draft stock. And it didn't.
April 15th, 2015 at 12:44 PM ^
Well, we could argue about the positions where intelligence matters most, or we could just turn this into a pissing match where we all post our Wonderlic scores.
I'll start, I got a 37
but if I were to take it, I'm sure I would get at least a 38.
April 15th, 2015 at 12:51 PM ^
but it doesn't beg any questions.
What's funny (or sad?) is that there is a subculture or, dare I even say, a counter-culture lurking on this forum that is trying to make grammar nazism taboo. That is part of what makes this blog not RCMB so I say we should keep it up. But that's just me.
I didnt realize my 6th grade english teacher was on this site. Now that I know you are here I will be sure to watch my Ps and Qs!
I for one welcome the corrections. As Harbaugh would say, if you aren't getting better, you're getting worse (I'm sure I got this quote wrong, so feel free to correct, I welcome it).
my opinion on the grammar Nazi thing is this, first this isn't a formal scholarly discussion platform so pretending that it is, is just laughable. The same people getting worked up about the usage of conversational phrases on this site but ignore the use of profanity or use urban-texting abbreviations is what....yea that's right it's really stupid. Either we are using peer reviewed editing or not, I do have professional experience with the former FWIW.
A drop of sugar makes a mile of difference.
April 15th, 2015 at 12:38 PM ^
Frank Gore — RB — Wonderlic Score: 6
April 15th, 2015 at 12:44 PM ^
April 15th, 2015 at 12:47 PM ^
Gore is a quality human being, which in the long run, is far more important.
April 15th, 2015 at 12:53 PM ^
April 15th, 2015 at 12:58 PM ^
Given that Jim Harbaugh believed he was a high quality human being, and given that Jim says that after knowing a litany of great human beings, I stand by my statement.
HARBAUGH
Is that why he follows lead blocker #76 when he's actually supposed to follow lead blocker #67?
Frank Gore says "You can Wonderlic my balls!"
That's like, really funny, man.
April 15th, 2015 at 12:38 PM ^
I'd put a lot of stock in the wonderlic score. And looking at some of the top scores off that article, one could correlate that a better score will indicate a better player. Correlation does not equal causation and all that jazz of course.
I prefer to put my stock in a nice safe ETF.
April 15th, 2015 at 12:40 PM ^
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April 15th, 2015 at 12:42 PM ^
They take the Wonderkick test.
April 15th, 2015 at 12:50 PM ^
Winston would have scored a 30 if he remembered to take off the FSU shorts...
April 15th, 2015 at 12:42 PM ^
No, used to be centers had the highest, followed by QBs, but now tackles, I believe specifically left tackes, are highest, followed by centers and QBs.
April 15th, 2015 at 12:44 PM ^
April 15th, 2015 at 12:46 PM ^
I should have said "offensive tackles" as defensive linemen don't rank highly at all. Safeties, linebackers, CBs are up there. Very quick thinking decision-makers there.
that's offensive
April 15th, 2015 at 12:42 PM ^
The wiki page for the Wonderlic says most teams want at least 21 for a QB. Some of the best/notable QBs today with their Wonderlic. I would think that's pretty reasonable...Ryan Fitzpatrick had a 48 but that hasn't really translated into better decision-making I'd say. Different types of intelligence go into reading a situation or seeing the field vs taking a test.
But then, Terrelle Pryor scored a 7 so there you go.
Thereby disproving the theory that "Everybody kills the Wonderlic test."
they should make them take the test while being chased by 300 lb. linemen trying to crush them.
April 15th, 2015 at 12:43 PM ^
I don't think it has much correlation with football, to be honest. You can have guys like Jameis Winston who, by all accounts, are complete morons off the field and don't know much from right and wrong. But when he gets onto the field, a light just turns on and he becomes a field general.
In just doing some basic research online, looks like Terry Bradshaw and Dan Marino got a 16 and a 15 on their Wonderlics, respectively. I'd say their careers turned out alright. So yeah, whatever Winston or Mariota get on the Wonderlic, it doesn't do much to translate to how well they'll perform on the field. Just data for the sake of data, if you asked me.
April 15th, 2015 at 12:52 PM ^
I suspect the Wonderlic is one of those metrics that is generally predictive as applied to a large number of players, but becomes less reliable as applied to individual prospects.
Also, I think there is a big difference between raw intelligence and problem-solving ability on the one hand (which the Wonderlic supposedly measures), and maturity and judgment on the other (which are the shortcomings Winston has famously displayed). Winston could be like a D&D character with 14 INT but 5 WIS.
Would that make Winston a better QB or Half-mage?
Jeez, this could be too much fun. Here's my assessments:
1) Jameis Winston: Half-Orc Fighter
15 STR, 14 INT, 5 WIS, 13 DEX, 17 CON, 4 CHR
Hit Points at 1st level: 11
Alignment: Chaotic Evil
2) Marcus Mariota: Elven Mage/Thief
10 STR, 12 INT, 15 WIS, 18 DEX, 11 CON, 13 CHR
Hit points at 1st level: 4
Alignment: Neutral Good
3) Tom Brady: Half-Elven Mage
8 STR, 16 INT, 16 WIS, 9 DEX, 15 CON, 17 CHR
Hit points at 1st level: 3
Alignment: Lawful Good
takes "fantasy football" to a new level ...
April 15th, 2015 at 12:57 PM ^
Based on the scores they gave I think it would suggest that there is a tendency for the better quarterbacks in the league to have higher wonderlic scores.
Yes, a high wonderlic score doesn't guarantee you success by any means, but it is a helpful predictor of success.
April 15th, 2015 at 12:57 PM ^
seems like he is fairly articulate but Bradshaw not so much. But then Bradshaw has four rings and Marino zip. Since all of these players went to college and many were academically challenging colleges to get into they are supposed to be...smarter than your average bear?
After all, football is a team sport.