OT: recently posted, but more on Prime (as way opposed to JH)
This context was posted yesterday here, which I read, but this came across my newsfeed just now and I was still astonished in spite of the earlier post. And, no, I do not accept everything from FOX news... But....
Deion is a high-profile entity. As was Jim Harbaugh when he came here. But the contrast in (sorry if this word is too strong) integrity seems to be astonishing. Maybe Sanders is doing some necessary cleaning that will be revealed over time as the right thing. But it sure doesn't look like it now.
I would trust JH without hesitation to hold my wallet and phone while I rode a water ride at Cedar Point. Others....not so much. As has been posted here numerous times, M players are supported by their staff from the time they commit until....yeah. Until...
What is Prime doing today? A recurring MGoBlog Series
Michigan fans finally know what it felt like to be a non-Michigan college football fan when Harbaugh arrived.
Necessary disclaimer: this is not meant to be negative.
I don't see any paralells whatsoever, but OK.
The excessive attention is the parallel. There SO MANY Harbaugh articles. It was like a cheat code for media to put "Harbaugh" in a headline and get more traffic.
Likewise, mention "Prime" and everyone feels the need to click and talk about how much they love or hate the guy.
Zero clickbait. You chose to click on an obvious Prime post.
ProTip: At times, refrain from clicking on a post that appears to have little appeal.
Hey! I had my own "OT: What is Prime doing today? A recurring MGoBlog Series" post on Monday!
https://mgoblog.com/mgoboard/ot-what-prime-doing-today-recurring-mgoblog-series
Great minds think alike.
And now, proof that warped, decrepit minds also think alike.
I'm totally fine with us getting daily updates in the "What is Prime doing today? A recurring MGoBlog series" until the start of the "There are..." posts.
April 28th, 2023 at 10:42 AM ^
There are 127 days until Prime takes on TCU!!!!!
(there will be assorted other less meaningful games on the same day)
April 28th, 2023 at 12:09 PM ^
WTF? I'm putting together a syllabus for my new course "Headlines for MGoBoard Posts: Dos and Don'ts".
You made it. Crowded field.
All this moral faux-rage over what he's doing at CU is laughable. College football is officially a business. He can do whatever the fuck he wants as long as he's playing by the almost non-existent rules. Good for him for taking the Machiavellian approach. I hope he proves his doubters wrong.
without faux rage 90% of people on the internet wouldn’t have anything to hive-mind about
swn: Correct. He has done nothing illegal. I doubt he has broken any rules. Everyone he has dismissed out of hand has no legal recourse.
And why again is Machiavelli's "The Prince" a laudable approach?
It's not a laudable approach. It's a valid approach in a disaster of a system that will only get improved in response to people like him exploiting it.
Understood, swn.
I guess I still hope you are overly pessimistic. Which, of course, was the underlying point of Machiavelli.
double post
apologies
You clearly don’t understand the messages in “The Prince”. It is neither a valid or laudable approach. It’s a warning about how the best bullshitting backstabbers pretend to be honorable and beyond reproach (a prince) but behind the scenes they will “literally and physically” stab you in the back.
Prime’s approach isn’t Machiavellian at all. Urban could be accused of being Machiavellian. Prime is honest about being a tough asshole and that he doesn’t care about you. A “Prince” on the other hand will have you believe that you are their most important person. Like imagine a politician that tells you he is going to bring jobs back to rural America and to your town. He is going to end your suffering. But instead when he is in office he just lines his own family’s pockets and lies about and stabs all his enemies in the back. That is closer to Machiavellian even if they are a bad liar.
Machiavelli's The Prince warns about liars and backstabbers while promoting strong decisive action. Machiavelli's The Prince in no way supports what is now referred to as a Machiavellian approach. Just like Orwell's book do not support the Orwellian approach.
This my plug that everyone should read The Prince, especially parents. (It is a short read.)
I've read The Prince, thank you. If you would like another random quote on it:
Chapters XV to XXIII focus on the qualities of the prince himself. Broadly speaking, this discussion is guided by Machiavelli’s underlying view that lofty ideals translate into bad government. This premise is especially true with respect to personal virtue. Certain virtues may be admired for their own sake, but for a prince to act in accordance with virtue is often detrimental to the state. Similarly, certain vices may be frowned upon, but vicious actions are sometimes indispensable to the good of the state.
But it’s actually a warning using irony. People are supposed to respond in horror not in agreement. If he just told the story straight up “this is what politicians do so beware” then the message wouldn’t get across.
April 28th, 2023 at 10:26 AM ^
Aside from this article, I haven't seen a lot of faux outrage. I have seen a lot of skepticism, which I don't think is unwarranted. The guy can clearly bring in talented players, but can he develop them and put them in position to succeed? This will be literally his first year coaching at the FBS level. Some coaches make the jump to the next level successfully, some coaches don't.
I'm looking forward to seeing how he does.
I understand his need to make changes, but these kids don’t deserve to be treated this way. He couldn’t care less about Colorado aside from the money he makes there, whereas some of these kids (like the one mentioned in the article) have personal and family loyalty to Colorado through the good and bad. The fact that he named his son starting qb (I believe) before he was even on the Colorado football team is beyond words.
I don't know if it's fair to say he cares less for Colorado than any other coach feels for the schools they coach for (obviously, we'd like to think that JH coaching at his alma mater means even more, but again who knows).
I do think coaches mostly care about winning and being absolutely as successful at their schools as possible. You may not like the methods, but coach Prime is in the business of winning and that's what he's trying to do. The results will ultimately play out, but the media's perception on how much he cares about kids won't matter 1/10th as much as his W-L record.
Good point and all valid. My point was specifically to Prime vs the kids he’s ousting. I hope for his sake this all works out for him. Interested in seeing how all of the JSU players he brought over perform against bigger/faster schools than they’re used to playing.
The "kids" wanted this. That's what happens when you want money to play. They got more freedom to move as well. It's 100% a business now with no rules. The student athlete can come and go as they want, coaches, especially Prime, are now just doing a lot more, public firm handshakes.
With that said, I don't like his style, but it doesn't sound like he's not upfront, and at this point anyone transferring in, should be well aware they may be out a few weeks later.
He's always been a narcissist. Nobody matters or exists to him except when they're making him look good (win). A lot of the kids will figure it out as they're kicked to the curb. I believe Harbaugh cares about his kids, I believe Prime would gladly, literally use his kids as a step stool to a podium.
As one CU player said, wherever the camera is, that’s where Deion is.
Take it to cgoblog.
I feel like his comments to the player were fine and upfront. He didn't mince words and got straight to the point while also being somewhat encouraging.
'You’re 6-foot-8, 320 pounds. I know in my heart of hearts a school is going to pick you up in the portal when you enter. Make your weaknesses your strengths and keep progressing. I hope you have a great future, it just won’t be here at the University of Colorado.'
Could have been much harsher but also, if it were me, I wouldn't want a long drawn out conversation. Cut and dry. Say what you will about whether or not he should've kept him given the player's relationship to the school. We all know that Prime is out from Prime so he has no loyalty to the program and/or traditions/heritage. His primary goal is to win and by any means necessary it seems. Still I don't see anything wrong with the way he informed the player or handled it. If he's not your guy, he's not your guy. It will be an interesting experiment either way it goes.
That's a legit perspective. Prime is being paid to win and he can do it however he wants. Not all of those 18 that hit the portal will be picked up. Colorado should offer academic scholarships for the kids that have been essentially cut and don't get another opportunity. Small cost to the university in the big picture. In my opinion at least.
OK. But as far as we know, Deion has never footed the bill for burgers and fries for recruits.
Unsubscribe from all things "Prime" please.
Deion coaches Colorado, get over it
So what you're saying is you wouldn't trust a black man to hold your keys and wallet at cedar point, got it.
Personally, I would trust Prime to hold my phone and wallet at Cedar Point.
He's not going to steal anything! All he's going to do is use my phone to take videos and post on Instagram.
#CoachPrime #PrimeLovesRollerCoasters #LookOutBuckeyesAndWolverinesTheBuffsAreComing #ItsAllAboutPrime
the mental gymnastics it took for you to make a point that had so little to do with what OP said is quite impressive.
Fair point. Well, maybe I would trust my black son-in-law and the grandkids. But no. No other persons of color. /sssss
critique of any black man is racism
yeah, it was, at best, a poor choice for a trust example given the potential racial undertones (overtones?). how about how do we feel about doing trust falls with prime vs harbaugh?
"a poor choice for a trust example given the potential racial undertones"
Wow! Seriously?
In comparing two successful coaches no comparisons can be made if one is a person of color and one isn't? The implications of your analysis is stunningly backward.
i didn't say that no comparisons can be made, just that the particular example you chose is racially charged (i.e. who do i trust to not steal things from me?)
¡No mas Neon!
From a roster and depth perspective you think it would pay off to be a little more cordial with the old staffs players. There was still some talent there and even with the portal its going to be hard to make a roster overhaul this glaring, this fast.
Probably could, and should, have struck a better balance between bringing in his guys and keeping some of what was already in the cupboard.
I didn't know you could cut players on scholarship. Unless it's implied they can stay and finish their degree without having to pay. They have right to have tuition paid, right ?
And I wonder how many guys he will bring from Jackson St, and their level of ability. Imagine the App St. coach going to Big Ten and bringing a bunch of players.. I would think the talent dropoff is significant.
App State beat Texas A&M last year with all their 5 stars. Also beat UNC and their top QB. They would probably be a mid tier big ten team.
App st would probably win by 50+.
They can continue at the university on scholarship, and that scholarship will not count against the football team's limit.
Unless they go in the portal. I think that allows the University to yank the scholarship
He's been honest about it with the players, he told them this was the culture on day 1, the university will honor their scholarships if they want to stay but if they want to play football they are being asked to leave. In the age of NIL, this is...fine? The players deserve to be paid and they are. And that means they will be treated a bit more as employees as far as the football field goes, while still being treated like students off of it. And this is happening.
Bigger question is whether this culture will work on the field. It feels different than what he did at Jackson State. But Colorado was in dire need of different.