Everyone Murders

September 23rd, 2016 at 8:10 AM ^

What I've observed living in several cities and towns is there are plenty of jackass drivers giving cars a bad reputation in the cycling community, and plenty of jackass cyclists giving bicycles a bad reputation in the driving community.  (The difference being that drivers have a heightened responsibility, what with the 2000 lbs of metal they control, etc.) That doesn't mean we know whether Schiano or the cyclist is one. (I mean, we know that Schiano was involved in the PSU atrocities. So on that count ... .) 

TL;DR?  There are jackasses in this world.  The important thing here is that the cyclist makes a full recovery.


September 23rd, 2016 at 12:36 PM ^

Don't forget about terrible pedestrians. If I'm on foot/bike/car I see the other two categories as the enemy. People are bad at all things.

On the plus side for bikes, the absurdness of riding around NYC and Chicago (and others I'm sure) can be damn exhilarating. On the downside, getting doored is the worst.

Chalky White

September 23rd, 2016 at 8:52 AM ^

Why do they have to ride on two lane roads that have no shoulder? I live in Saline. The road near my house has one lane going east and one West. To avoid the guy on a bike, I have to swerve into oncoming traffic because he does want to get too close to the ditch. 


September 23rd, 2016 at 9:22 AM ^

I ponder this point every time I get stuck behind a school bus or slow driver taking back roads home from work. The point of taking them is to enjoy the scenery and twisty roads on my motorcycle, but then I get mad when I have to slow down, which is stupid because it should make the drive that much more enjoyable. For me it comes down to control issues. I don't like being on someone else's pace.

Everyone Murders

September 23rd, 2016 at 9:05 AM ^

So take my answer from that perspective.  They are probably riding on two lane roads because they are the most direct route, and from the cyclist's perspective the question might be "why is there no shoulder or bike lane on this thoroughfare?". 

As a driver, I am not actually forced to swerve into oncoming traffic.  I can also slow down and wait until it is clear to pass.  I don't always have that discipline, but it's really the responsible approach.

What pisses me off as a driver is when that cyclist is pedalling in the middle of the lane and obstructing traffic, not to avoid road hazards, but just to be a passive-aggressive wanker.  This pisses me off as a driver because that cyclist is being an asshole.  And it pisses me off as a cyclist because that cyclist is making the rest of us look like self-entitled wankers.

Everyone Murders

September 23rd, 2016 at 11:46 AM ^

I never really made it all the way to Bolivia.  I got nuked for quoting Bo ("TO HELL WITH NOTRE DAME") when a caption to a photo promised instant death for an offendor doing the same.  It was a sort of "don't make me stop this car!" moment.

Brian wasn't b.s.ing, and nuked me instantaneously.  I was able to figure it out after wondering why I couldn't log in.  Brian's response was "Everyone murders accounts"!  Later on that day or next I got reinstated for time served, but did not realize it for some time.  I got "active" again at the end of OT season.

Everyone Murders

September 23rd, 2016 at 11:41 AM ^

Some states allow for side-by-side riding even if there is traffic behind.  So depending on local law, they may be within their rights to continue discussing their favorite energy bar, etc., while you start to run late. 

It also may be legal for me to drive my car at 15 MPH down Huron River Drive, looking at all the pretty trees, while traffic piles up behind me.  If I do that, though, I'm being an asshole.  Same with bikes.  If I'm holding up traffic to assert my right to ride side-by-side, I'm being an asshole. 

If people in cars and people on bicycles would just be considerate, 90% of the tension would evaporate.  Good luck with that, though.

Chalky White

September 23rd, 2016 at 2:36 PM ^

My point is some of these back roads have 50 mph speed limits. When you drive around a bend or come over a hill and there's a guy on a bike riding 30 mph slower than your car, it's dangerous. In that case, you either cross the lane to avoid the collision or you end up in the ditch. If a bike is going that much slower than your car, hitting the brakes isn't enough.  No one is breaking any laws here. I'm saying it's dangerous.

They ride their bikes on this road because they like the hills and bends in the road but it's dangerous especially when they are headed due West into the sun. There are plenty of parks around here that can be entered for free that have paved trails with scenery that is just as nice as what you see on the roads cars normally travel. I don't have beef with people riding in a bike lane if there is one. If you ride a bike, I assume you bought $500 worth of spandex because you want exercise. You should be able to enjoy it without having to worry about getting blown off the road by a car or ending up falling in a ditch because there is no shoulder.


September 23rd, 2016 at 10:13 AM ^

Because there aren't really any other ways to get from point A to B when you're going for rides longer than a loop in the neighborhood. I try to avoid those types of roads for everyone's sake, including my own, but sometimes it's unavoidable.

As far as not wanting to "get too close to the ditch" the whole point of "taking the lane" is to force drivers to actually wait for when it's safe to pass, and use the oncoming lane like you would another vehicle, instead of trying to squeeze through when it's not safe to do so. 

Mister B

September 23rd, 2016 at 12:00 AM ^

Seriously? I mean, I don't know what your experience has been, but I've seen bicycle riders do some crazy shit.

Now I have no idea what happened, I wasn't there. That being said, I have absolutely been in a situation where I had a green left turn arrow in my car and some idiot cyclist just came flying around completely stopped cars and right into the intersection. Yes, I saw him, and yes, I managed to stop in time. Had I been a little slower on the brake, would it be hard to see a way I wasn't at fault?

Bo Glue

September 23rd, 2016 at 6:06 AM ^

I like how your first assumption is that the cyclist is at fault. Sure it's possible. I've seen bikers do crazy shit to and they piss me off to no end, because that shit reflects on me as well. But seriously, person just got hit by a car. They probably didn't want that to happen.

Mister B

September 23rd, 2016 at 4:08 PM ^

I like how your first assumption is that I assumed it was the cyclist at fault.

I simply took issue with the blanket statement that it was hard to see a way the driver is not at fault. I don't think it is. I find it entirely easy to believe either one of them (or both) could be at fault.


September 23rd, 2016 at 10:23 AM ^

I also live and work in Chicago and this is just so wrong - objectively.  Not to say your impression of your personal safety isn't true for you, but I suggest spending 30 minutes on a bike in Chicago and see if maybe your calculation of the ratio of kamikaze cyclists-to-inattentive drivers doesn't come out differently.  Yes, cyclists blow through intersections - very bad.  But a simple news search will show precious few "pedestrian killed by cyclist" stories, but near daily stories of "cyclist killed by car" stories.

Plus, just the simple vast outnumbering of drivers versus cyclists would make your premise very unlikely.

Vengeful Barbarian

September 23rd, 2016 at 11:30 AM ^

Could it be that the "cyclists killed by car" stories are a result of cyclists blowing through stop signs, stop lights, swerveing into oncoming traffic and generally riding like assholes?

I live in the San Francisco Bay Area, and cyclists here are just terrible. They want all of the rights as pedestrians and all of the rights as motorists, but they do not follow the rules of the road. They ride on the sidewalks (which is illegal), ride all over the street, they pass stopped cars on either side, don't stop at stop signs or stop lights, they don't signal lane changes and in general just act like entiltled assholes. 


September 23rd, 2016 at 11:23 PM ^

Ha! So my statement is subjective and yours is...objective?

Your critical thinking skills on this topic are lacking and show that you are not really being objective at all. Quite subjective actually.

First, getting hit by a car (you know, a 1 ton piece of metal) is likely going to cause more harm than getting hit by someone on a bike. So comparing who's getting killed is ridiculous.

Second, I'm not comparing the number drivers to cyclists, instead I'm comparing the number of dumb drivers to dumb cyclists. Think of it this way:
1. Drivers: subject to education and testing to ensure safe driving
2. Cyclist:....

I can tell you are from Chicago because you analyze situations like these just like our politicians.


September 23rd, 2016 at 11:13 PM ^

My point status is a long story and has nothing to do with this conversation

And proves you are not looking at this objectively. I walk about 1.5 miles a day from the west loop to the Mart. EVERY DAY there is a cyclist running a stop sign or red light or going the wrong way down a street as I'm going to work. I would say about 1-2 days a week I almost get hit. Hubbard is really bad. The worst is the Kinzie & Clinton intersection.

If you think about it, you need a license to drive a car. To get one means you have to learn to drive and take a series of tests to prove you are capable and won't be of danger. Cyclists don't have any such regulation. Anyone at anytime can ride a bike on the street without really knowing what the rules are. Because of this, when I get to an intersection where there are cars and bikes, I really have to watch myself around the bikes. Cars will stop for pedestrians because that is what they are trained to do. Cyclists, it's unclear. Typically they don't give a shit about pedestrians and stop for nothing.


September 24th, 2016 at 12:41 PM ^

So when you say, "Chicago has far more kamakazi cyclist than inattentive drivers," you really mean, "the ~10 square block area that I'm familiar with has lots of dangerous cyclists in it."  Which is a subjective statement based on limited experience hyperbolically applied to a city the area of 234 sq miles.  That is moronic.

My experience is based on 4-5 times more daily travel including a 4 mile stretch from near the lake through all areas of the loop and several miles into the surrounding neighborhoods.  So yes, I can objectively state that your claim of number of kamakazi cyclists vs inattentive drivers within the city of Chicago is absurdly false and stupid.  Additionally, a high number of negative mgopoints is typically indicative of someone who is prone to making false and stupid statements.


September 23rd, 2016 at 6:47 AM ^

I'm very familiar with the area.  That stretch of Olentangy River Rd has an 8 ft wide bike path running alongside it, right in front of OSU's football facility.  The road itself is a 4 lane divided road with a 45 mph speed limit and few traffic lights. I find it highly unlikely that the cyclist was travelling on the road, but merely crossing it, suggesting that Schiano is responsible.  


September 23rd, 2016 at 9:30 AM ^

I can't find the exact details, but he may have been turning left with an arrow at a traffic light. That's the only way I can see that he wouldn't be at fault. I see pedestrians and bicyclists cross against the turn arrow all day long right outside my office window. The driver usually lets them go ahead and cross, but I've seen some close calls.