As good a time as any
Why not drop mens basketball or at least go down to a lower division?
We know mens basketball at the D1 level is deeply corrupt. To the point where it can safely be assumed that the vast majority of our competitors routinely cheat and a significant number of them engage in outright criminal activity to secure players’ services.
We know that this is deeply embedded in the culture of the sport and something most coaches accept as part of the business. It stands to reason that whoever we would hire to replace Beilein would either (1) be corrupt and expect to continue his practices at Michigan or (2) be handcuffed and unable to compete. If a teacher and thinker like John Beilein ultimately threw in the towel...what are the odds wed win the lottery and get someone as classy AND good as him again or someone better even?
It seems like the most likely outcome is unhappy either way...so why not opt out and send a message to the country that reflects on Michigan values in a great way AND would send shockwaves through the corrupt NCAA system?
Log off.
I get the logic: the only reason a clean Beilein won was because he was also a genius. The odds are not great. . . that we replicate. But that's not a reason to give up.
Have to admit, though, that as an M grad with deep roots in Michigan, A2, and the U I am not convinced that I will be able to follow with anything like the passion and love that I have for the last 12 years.
Let's see who Warde hires.
The benefits of cheating are 1) both overblown and not as necessary as people think around here and 2) the ability to win without cheating isn't as difficult as people think.
1) in the era of one and done, most of the guys valuable enough to get paid are also done in a year or two and that means you only get one year of a highly talented but also highly flawed player. There aren't many teams to win the title built on one-and-done's.
2) We're seeing more success from programs like UVA and Villanova (and Michigan, MSU, Texas Tech, Wisconsin, etc) that almost certainly don't cheat and develop the second tier of players into good teammates after 2-4 years.
There are elite coaches that can win without cheating.
Since we have the ability to attract and pay elite coaches, the idea that we won't find another one is silly.
I can’t believe I’m actually upvoting you.
I couldn’t bring myself to upvote him but I didn’t downvote him. So I feel that is sufficient enough.
Just stop now
"As good of time as any"
to let the rest of the board know that Rashan Gary was laughing at my Wonderlic score.
ZING!
It could have been worse. He could have went Benedict Mattison and took the OSU job. Bad day to be a Michigan fan no doubt, but that doesn't mean we should quit playin hoops. The knee jerk reactions of this fan base are truly amazing though.
???
The thing I'm most concerned about is the fact that you actually thought about this, wrote a number of paragraphs, and think this is a feasible/good idea.
inb4 delete.
I can see why Beilein left after this. The dumbest fans around.
i think the real solution is to get rid of all the fans so we never have another take like the OP again. a sacrifice, yes, but a fair trade-off in the name of stupidity reduction.
You should talk to Texas A&M fans sometime.
Holy shit, some of you people can really fuck off today.
Fuck Monday.
I don't have the words to convey my frustration/rage from reading this. I'm sincerely mad at you for writing this
You can only whine about all the ills of the NCAA for so long before you have to consider the question “well what are we doing about it”?
Too common on this board to seize the moral high ground without considering the consequences or responsibilities that follow from recognizing the essential corruption of a system.
I'm in favor of people expressing their opinions but, in this case, please just STFU.
Jesus, this is getting crazy.
A person can get tired of something and want a change. It looks like Beilien got tired of coaching college basketball and wanted a change. It does not have to be any deeper than that. We will make a good hire and compete at the high end of the conference next year.
People change jobs all the time now. There is no loyalty. No longer will a company be able to walk out a loyal employee after 20, 30, or 40 years of service. We saved ourselves from bad leadership by moving every 5 years. Good for us
money
Delete your account
No politics!
This is a bad take and you should feel bad. There are plenty of programs that aren't cheating where the players and coaches manage to get up in the morning and compete. Yes, this sucks, but no reason to pick up our ball and go home.
I'm certain I've read dumber shit, I just can't recall when.
I'm honestly not sure I've read anything dumber on here in 10 years.
McFarlin's "Michigan could go 12-0" thread about the 2009 season was smarter.
I'm honestly not sure I've read anything dumber on here in 10 years.
DOWN THE STRETCH THEY COME! THEY'RE NECK AND NECK LADIES AND GENTLEMEN!
In the black silks it's Mongo's Irish People Never Grow ... and in the white silks its We Should Just Quit! It's going to be a photo-finish folks!
That’s enough internet for today.
I found some words......... you are a stupid asshole for writing this. What an incredibly stupid post. I bet current players and recruits just love reading this shit. Unreal
WTF?
as good a time as any to quit drinking and go to bed.
holy shit, this is the dumbest thing i've ever read on this board. i'm not even kidding.
Agreed, what an absurd post. Honestly just embarrassing.
I say we go the opposite direction. Make the payment of players legal by allowing Michigan Basketball to compete in the NBA!! We can get revenge on Beilein for betraying us (/s) and allow our old stars to come back and compete with us. An NBA Michigan squad of Hardaway, Burke, Stauskas, GRIII, Caris, Duncan, and more?? Primetime matchups with the Warriors and Bucks right at home in Crisler Center?? Who would say no to this????
Michigan could work toward legalizing player payments and re-enter the fray after comprehensive reform.
In reality, the practices of high level collegiate athletics in their current incarnation are highly contradictory to the ideals and mission of a university. Calling this proposal “dumb” because you like basketball and go to bed in Michigan boxer shorts doesn't constitute a legitimate argument.
You should stop four posts ago, dude.
You've stirred up a hornets nest, BlueMk. But who can dispute this:
"...the practices of high level collegiate athletics in their current incarnation are highly contradictory to the ideals and mission of a university."
Come on folks, we all know that is true. Who among us defends the NCAA? Hmmm? Anyone?Thought not.
Not that I favor BlueMk's prescription but that doesn't mean the problem he describes is not real.
No doubt a radical proposal in a forum where it is unlikely to find much favor. This forum basically takes the position that we should do our utmost to win a competition that incentivizes corruption...while decrying corruption. By linking the professional future of people to their success in such a competition we actually incentivize corruption ourselves, too.
Note how Beilein was criticized by many for recruiting failings when we all knew what it would take to recruit at a higher level.
You cant do that and then talk about the corrupt NCAA and whine about Pitino etc. it really does just make you a sore loser and hypocrite.
We’ve came within a game of winning it all twice within the last 6 years...why throw in the towel now?
Dude go fuck yourself with a pineapple
Im not mad. I have thought about this for a long time. In fact, it is highly difficult to justify collegiate athletics in their current shape and form morally or intellectually.
The most legitimate response to this proposal would actually be - why stop at basketball?
I would struggle to answer that. Maybe because basketball is the most corrupt and not as significant as football to the identity and brand of the university?
That ship sailed (more or less literally) when Harvard and Yale competed in the first inter-collegiate sporting event 166 years ago - a rowing race.
It's justified because it's fun.
It's only when people take it too seriously and start to examine it from this type of intellectual perspective that they lose sight of why it's fun.
The problem with your theory is that the analysis has always led to the same conclusion. The minute inter-collegiate sports attracted an audience was the same minute they were no longer intellectually or morally pure.
this is so dumb
MOMS! Please delete this stupid post.