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It's-a me! Chase-io! [Patrick Barron]

Trick or *is sacked.* This is the kind of spectacularly lazy Halloween costume that I can get behind.

"Chase dressed up as himself. So yeah, that probably doesn't surprise any of you guys," Hurst said on Monday, drawing laughs from a group of reporters inside Schembechler Hall.

I once printed out the word "BIRD" on a piece of paper and taped it to myself. For Halloween. Not on a regular Tuesday. Except that one time when I needed to be a bird. On a Tuesday.

Spanellis has words! Stephen Spanellis has been getting a significant amount of run as a bonus OL over the past two weeks, and now people are beginning to discover his vocabulary:

The story in question is offensive coordinator Tim Drevno's tale of perseverance. The story he told reporters earlier this season about his battle with an old outdoor water pump during his days as a groundskeeper in Montana more than 20 years ago.

The lesson: Keep pumping. Eventually, water's going to come.

"(Ben) Bredeson had seen (one of those pumps) before, he's more of a country boy than I am," Spanellis, a redshirt freshman guard said this week. "So, when Ben confirmed that they exist (I believed it).

"Though I have no personal empirical evidence that they do." 

Also:

In addition to his strength, Spanellis’ intelligence has stood out. Last week, Harbaugh also called the sophomore one of the smartest players on the team.

“Football is a cerebral game,” Spanellis said. “You have to be very smart to understand offense and analyze defenses. I think it helps me out because when I go out there I know, generally speaking, what the look is — I don’t have to think about it — I just go out and I see what the front is and then I know exactly what to do.”

Spanellis has done well since emerging into the sixth OL; with Ruiz getting the start minus Onwenu Michigan looks to have a ton of interior linemen who can play now, and next year. About those tackles, though.

Higdon profiled. In the Daily:

When Sarasota, a town in southwestern Florida, was rated America’s meanest city in 2006, Karan Higdon was just a nine-year-old kid who wore size nine-and-a-half shoes. He was a big kid, no doubt, who went to the Boys and Girls Club most days after school and sometimes met his friends for kickball outside in the neighborhood. He played Pee Wee football for the Port Charlotte Bandits, and even back then he was running over every tackler in his path.

Todd Johnson, though, spent that year with the Chicago Bears. Then in his late 20s, the professional defensive back was in his fourth season in the National Football League since getting drafted out of the University of Florida. After games, Johnson would pick up leftover football gloves and shoes from the Bears’ locker room to send back to Sarasota’s Riverview High School, his alma mater.

It was also the year Karan’s mother, Samantha Christian, decided the family should move out of Newtown. On the outskirts of Sarasota’s inner city, Newtown was a tight-knit community where everyone knew everyone, but it was also an area where you didn’t want to make a wrong turn.

Higdon, Johnson and Christian are just three characters in a bigger story of how one boy from Florida did what so many others couldn’t  — get out. Higdon’s story is one of motivation, hard work and commitment. It’s a story about someone who made the right choices when others didn’t and stuck by them against adversity. It’s a story about a protagonist and a supporting cast that never left each other’s side.

This story begins in Sarasota.

Injury updates. Harbaugh was relatively optimistic about getting Grant Perry, Mike Onwenu, Ty Isaac, and Ty Wheatley back this weekend. All missed the Minnesota game. No update on Nico Collins, who went to the locker room late.

Happy birthday to the worst game ever. M00N was three years ago today.

I just went back to check the game column and it is titled "Infamy Is Immortality Too," which is extremely appropriate since we're mentioning a game from the Dead Hoke era on its third anniversary. Also:

When you bring up the M00N game to your buddy you will probably be making a point about the descent into unwatchable dreck that was the last two years of the mercifully short Hoke era.

I would like us to consider the disappointments from this year and compare them to those from 2014, and then sit quietly in contemplation.

Should we go to the playoff, Other Barry? Yes, Barry. Barry Alvarez on rumbles that Wisconsin would be left out of the playoff if they go undefeated:

“I think that would be very difficult to do,” said Alvarez, whose term with the committee expired in 2017. “There’s no part of me that says if you go undefeated as a Power 5 and win your conference championship, and you’re not going to be in the final four? I don’t see that. That would shock me.”

Well, Barry, you play in the Big Ten West, which is bad, and your nonconference schedule is three horrible teams. If, say, Georgia runs the table and loses to Alabama in the SEC Championship game, why shouldn't their win over Notre Dame be considered as much as Wisconsin's still-hypothetical win in the Big Ten championship game? "Undefeated" is a crap metric and it's good the committee has seen through Wisconsin's thin claim to being a top team this year.

Other fall sports doing work. Field hockey got the #3 overall seed in the NCAA tournament:

Ranked No. 11 at the beginning of the season, the Michigan field hockey team has proven that ranking was far too low. The Wolverines rattled off 16 wins in a row with 13 shutouts to finish off their season. Then, Michigan dispatched Ohio State, No. 9 Northwestern and No. 5 Penn State to win the Big Ten Tournament, securing an automatic bid to the NCAA Tournament.

They host Syracuse on Saturday in the opening round.

And soccer won its first-round game in the Big Ten tournament with a 4-1 win over Northwestern.

They move on to the semifinal versus five seed Wisconsin. For Reasons the semi is Somewhere In Indiana; it's noon on BTN with a potential final Sunday at noon.

Representation in the first round should continue. It will be a less spectacular draft for Michigan this year, but that's a good thing because they're only losing five starters. One will be a first rounder for certain: Mo Hurst. PFF has been raving about him about as long as I have and have not stopped. He's in the top ten of their first mock draft of the year:

8. TAMPA BAY BUCCANEERS
DI Maurice Hurst, Michigan

The nation’s top-graded defensive player at 95.5 overall, Hurst is disruptive against the run and as a pass-rusher. He’s built in the mold of current Bucs defensive tackle Gerald McCoy, but it can’t hurt to have two disruptors up front, especially in the age of multiple defensive fronts and high subpackage usage. Hurst has been dominant in his 1,233 career snaps and an interior havoc-creator is coveted in today’s NFL.

Mason Cole, the only other guy who is vaguely in the mix as a first rounder, isn't listed. He's probably a second day pick.

More feathers for the camel. The NCAA is about to be shocked, shocked that the dude who took over for Calipari at Memphis has been accused of working with a bagman type guy, by the guy. The numbers here are not spectacular...

According to the school, Jackson accepted benefits totaling less than $525 while Okogie accepted benefits totaling less than $750. ...

But Bell insists they do not tell the full story.

He said he also spent "about $500" on groceries for the players when they stayed at his house from May 9-13, and he provided photo evidence of Okogie and Jackson in his swimming pool. The NCAA should also be considering, he said, a 220-mile roundtrip ride from Phoenix Sky Harbor International Airport to Bell's house in Tucson, which Bell said he provided for both players, as an impermissible benefit.

...but every little bit helps the general untenability of the NCAA's rules become more widely known.

Meanwhile this Bell guy is arguing that he's offered further impermissible benefits like he's looking to wring six more dollars out of his tax return, because he's mad at Pastner for whatever reason. Never piss off the bagman. Also never have a bagman who is a delicate flower.

Why would Bell turn on Pastner -- the man he once described as a brother, the man he many times said saved his life -- in such a vindictive and public way? Asked that question several times, Bell explained it in a variety of ways. He said he feels Pastner has failed to compensate him properly for the "work" he's done. He said Pastner didn't call him on his birthday this year, which is something he interpreted as disrespectful.

I have now added "will forget to call bagmen on their birthdays" to the infinitely long list of reasons why I would be a bad college basketball coach. It's just below "refuses to call timeouts on principle" and just above "does not know how to coach basketball."

Etc.: Norris vs Norris last weekend at Yost. Michigan favored by 14 over Maryland. Longform piece on autograph fraud in SI is just so weird. I can't imagine paying for a signature of any variety. Jordan Poole learning when to shoot. The Rams' punter is good?

Comments

Blue in Paradise

November 7th, 2017 at 12:05 PM ^

While I never want to take money out of someone's pocket - seems like he could move up from a 3rd/4th round pick (2018) to a 1st / 2nd round pick (2019) similar to what Hurst has done this year.

If he is back, our line with Gary, Solomon, Dwumfour and Winovich will be beastly again next year.  And we will have more experienced depth with Kemp, Mone, Jeter / Irving-Bey and Paye/Vilain.

 

A2toGVSU

November 7th, 2017 at 1:11 PM ^

But I doubt he'll ever be a first round pick and its for one main reason: he's too small to play DE in the NFL. He's got adequate size and great athletecism at the college level. NFL outfits running a 3-4 will see a tantalizing athletic package for a pass rushing OLB, but he will be considered a project because he will need to learn to play without his hand in the dirt and learn to cover a bit. I'd love to be proven wrong and see Winovich pack on 25-30 more pounds without losing his burst and agility, but I doubt his frame can handle that. Also, Hurst's draft stock has climbed from "top 30 pick" to "top 10 pick." No one who watched him play even as a sophomore would have let him slide to the 3rd round. Dude is special.

Michigan4Life

November 7th, 2017 at 1:52 PM ^

class.

Two players who are likely to be a 1st round pick and they are Harold Landry who is 6'2" and 250 lbs, Hercules Mata'afa, who is 6'1" and 250 lbs.

Look at Vic Beasley who is 6'2" and 235 lbs and got drafted at top 10.

To say that Winovich is too small to play DE is false. He's plenty big enough to play DE and can rush the passer. Rushing the passer is the most important trait to have at DE.

TrueBlue2003

November 7th, 2017 at 4:07 PM ^

Khalil Mack (at least, they're both listed as 6'3, 250ish) who is a 4-3 DE and was defensive player of the year last year in the NFL.

Mack is faster and probably quicker, and yes, that is on the small side for a 4-3 DE in the NFL.

I agree that he won't be a first rounder because of that limitation, but he'll probably be a 2-3 rounder and can certainly have a successful NFL career.  Also agree that it's more likely he's converted to a 3-4 OLB.

corundum

November 7th, 2017 at 12:13 PM ^

I agree with Barry. Washington played a Charmin-soft schedule last year, especially OOC, and still sneaked in with 1 loss. If Wisconisn wins out, that gives them additional wins over Iowa, Michigan, and the East winner. That will most certainly be enough to get them into the playoffs.

 

Everyone wants to talk about Wisconsin's schedule, but Alabama's schedule to date has been just as soft. FSU is terrible. Fresno State, Colorado State, and Mercer round out the rest of their OOC. In conference, Auburn will be the only ranked team they play in the regular season with Mississippi State and LSU likely dropping out. 

wile_e8

November 7th, 2017 at 12:33 PM ^

Washington got lucky. If there had been more than three other P5 teams with one loss or fewer, they probably would have been left out. And their Charmin-soft schedule last year was still more difficult than Wisconsin this year.

And as to Alabama, the playoff selection process isn't entirely empirical. Anyone who has been paying attention to college football for the past decade is going to give Alabama the benefit of the doubt, for good reason. And you would too - if Alabama played Wisconsin tomorrow, who do you think would win?

TrueBlue2003

November 7th, 2017 at 4:10 PM ^

Alabama is the highest ranked team or in the top four in every unbiased statistical ranking I'm aware of that is "predicitive" i.e. rankings that measure quality (S&P+, FEI, Sagarin, etc).

This isn't a benefit of the doubt situation. Bama being in the top four is highly supported empirically.

Wisconsin Wolverine

November 7th, 2017 at 12:37 PM ^

If, say, Georgia runs the table and loses to Alabama in the SEC Championship game, why shouldn't their win over Notre Dame be considered as much as Wisconsin's still-hypothetical win in the Big Ten championship game?

If Georgia gets axe murdered by Alabama in the SEC title game, I don't think anyone would want to see them go to the playoffs to get axe murdered by Alabama a second time.  Wisconsin should hope that one of those teams gets obliterated by the other.

Kevin13

November 7th, 2017 at 1:05 PM ^

if Wisconsin wins out, which includes a B1G championship at 13-0 they belong in the top four and shot at the NC. Like you said many other teams have also played a joke of an OOC schedule and it's not Wisky's fault the B1G East is week. They will have done everything they can and should do to be there.  I just don't see them winning out though.

When it comes to some of our players I think Winovich is back next year to have another monster season and propel himself possibly into the first round of the draft. I think Cole slides to the 3rd round this year and it would have to be as an interior lineman, but he has not had a good enough Senior season to be a first or second round pick.

TrueBlue2003

November 7th, 2017 at 1:47 PM ^

that it would be shocking if a 13-0 P5 team didn't make the top 4.  Brian is also correct that it is certainly possible.  The differences this year compared to years past:

1) SEC being relatively top heavy has actually helped them not beat up on those top two teams so far.  And UGA has the best win of the season at this point with a road win over ND.  This is a good recipe for two teams from the same conference making it. Auburn is an interesting wildcard since they host both UGA and Bama still.  In fact, they would almost certainly make the playoff if they win out.

2) ND being good means that if they win out, it's likely two or maybe even three P5 champs aren't making it.  Wisconsin is a candidate with that schedule.

The reasons I still think it'd be shocking:

1) UGA still has to win @Aurburn, a game in which they're (justifiably) only favored by 2.5.  That's a coin flip.  At GT is still losable.  And then of course the SEC title game would have to be close for both participants to be considered. And Bama's schedule has been so bad, it would be very interesting to see if they stayed in the top 4 if they lost.  It would be a true test of whether the commitee objectively considers actual body of work for the season vs. name brand/past performance benefit-of-the-doubt.

2) For as soft as Wisconsin's schedule has been, they have opportunities coming up with Iowa, Michigan and the title game.  Win all those to go 13-0, and they'd certainly be ahead of the ND-Miami loser, ahead of the PAC12 champ, and ahead of the TCU/Oklahoma loser.  That puts them 6th at worst and they'd just need two of the remaining teams (Bama, UGA, ND/Miami, OU/TCU, Clemson) ahead of them to stumble (all of which have multiple tough tests remaining).  It's college football. There is plenty more mayhem remaining.  If Wisconson avoids being the victim of it, they'll be in a very good position.

bronxblue

November 7th, 2017 at 2:10 PM ^

I agree that Wisconsin should get in if they are undefeated or, depending on how crazy the next couple weeks go, with 1 loss if it's to, say, Iowa coming off the OSU win and the Hawkeyes win out.  But Alabama has a decade of destroying teams to justify their ranking; they also signed up to play an FSU team that was #2 in the country at the start of the year.  And last year's Washington team didn't play the toughest schedule, but they also had an average margin of victory of 27 points; Wisconsin's thus far is 23 points, and that's before they play the two best teams on their schedule (Iowa and Michigan).  I think this is a good Wisconsin team, but they've benefitted immensely from playing in the far worse division and not playing really any team of not all year.

TrueBlue2003

November 7th, 2017 at 1:51 PM ^

It means nothing going forward.

Committee doesn't care about nor look at prior seasons.  MSU was curb stomped in 2015 and the following year OSU made it without even winning the conference.  That happened because they won a big non-conference game.  That's the only thing that shapes perception: who did you beat this year?  That's it.

oriental andrew

November 7th, 2017 at 12:14 PM ^

vs. #5 Wisconsin M Soccer at noon! 

They move on to the semifinal versus five seed Wisconsin. For Reasons the semi is Somewhere In Indiana; it's noon on BTN with a potential final Sunday at noon.

And that match against Wisco would be on Friday. Just sayin' cuz I figure that's a moderately important detail unless you're just in the habit of watching BTN every day at noon which, hey, I'm not judging. 

Maizen

November 7th, 2017 at 12:14 PM ^

What's interesting is where is OSU ranked if they had scheduled Bowling Green in the OOC instead of Oklahoma? Hell where is PSU if they beat MSU despite their OOC schedule. The B1G East is so damn good now that everyone is just beating each other up. It's like the SEC West 5 years ago. What's the benefit of playing hard OOC games anymore? I just don't see it, not when you have to play PSU, MSU, OSU, and Wisconsin every year.

dragonchild

November 7th, 2017 at 12:50 PM ^

What's the benefit of playing cupcakes?  If your in-conference opponents disappoint then you wind up with no significant wins on your schedule, and you're now in Wisconsin's dilemma with nothing you can do about it except run up the score.

I mean yeah, you can keep trick plays in the bag and give your underclassmen some run, but Harbaugh's mantra is "iron sharpens iron" and I don't think the backups gained much experience running it up on Hawaii and UCF.  Heck, the players were openly glad that Colorado gave them a challenge.

Maizen

November 7th, 2017 at 1:31 PM ^

The benefit is that until the CFP committee puts a two loss team in the playoff over a 1 loss team your chances of losing a second game go down significantly if your OOC schedule is filled with cupcakes. The "Wisconsin dilemma" you reference is only a thing because they play in the B1G West. If they played in the East it wouldn't even be a discussion at this point. I really don't care what Harbaugh's mantra is, I want to watch Michigan play in the CFP and I'd like to see Michigan win some national titles and I want to give ourselves the best chance of that as possible.

bronxblue

November 7th, 2017 at 2:21 PM ^

The counter I'd make is that if you don't play a quality opponent until the conference season, you run the risk of getting complacent in your gameplanning.  When you can run your base offense for 40+ points a game, you don't need to innovate or make changes and that can lead to sub-optimal setups.  Hell, look at OSU; after that Oklahoma game it was tomato cans until PSU, and they definitely looked a little shocked by the jump in competition for that first half.  They obviously got it going later on, but it took more time than was optimal.

I think you schedule without paying attention to conference games.  People keep talking about players getting ground down, but we're talking about a total of 12 games a year, with maybe 5-6 being considered reasonably competitive for most top teams, at the most.  And even a loss in the OOC against a good team could benefit you, especially given how they tinker with the calculations every year and factor in things like SOS, comparative performance against common opponents, etc.  Like, if TCU and OSU had finished with one loss this year, then OU hammering OSU and TCU beating OU (possibly twice) would have probably factored in.  Beating Bowling Green by a lot doesn't.

TrueBlue2003

November 7th, 2017 at 4:19 PM ^

Beat a good non-conf opponent and you don't necessarily have to win the division and/or can get away with a bad loss (see also: Clemson and OU this year).

The committee has shown that good wins help more than bad losses hurt.  So I think that's why you schedule those games.  They can help more than hurt. 

And to your question about where OSU would be ranked, probably not much higher than they are now.  They were third in the AP poll prior to this weekend, which was really only one spot lower, at most, than they would have been had they beaten BGSU instead of losing to OU.

And then they lost to unranked Iowa.  Even if that was their only loss, they'd be behind Miami, Wisconsin, and TCU.  The only teams they're currently ranked behind in the AP that they might be ahead of is UW and Auburn.  So that loss only costs them two spots.  If they had won that OU game and they'd be still right there where Clemson and OU are now (both with one bad loss that is largely ignored because they have great wins).

GordonG

November 7th, 2017 at 12:15 PM ^

just saw 5* tackle Cade Mays decommited from Tennesee (he was a legacy too).

and believe it or not...he is visiting OSU this weekend for the MSU game.

UGH!...

dragonchild

November 7th, 2017 at 12:38 PM ^

By M00N we knew what we had.  We still had expectations before the Akron game.

IIRC I caught some heat for it, but I actually wanted to lose that game.  It is one of the only games I'd ever hoped Michigan would lose, not because I was all "f this team", quite the opposite.  It was so painfully apparent that the team had flaws that were going to get them murderated against comptent teams, that required significant change brought about by humiliating failure or proactive change.  We got neither.  It was a game that both showed me that overhaul was needed, with an outcome that delayed it.

dragonchild

November 7th, 2017 at 1:34 PM ^

Yes, he was going to finish the season either way.  Finishing 7-5 got him a 4th year, which led to M00N.

If he finished 5-7 in '13 with losses to Akron and Connecticut we could be going "what if".  But Harbaugh was busy making the NFL playoffs for a rich manbaby at the time; the stars aligned after Hoke's 4th year.  So it all kind of worked out in the end.  But we didn't know that back in 2013.

EGD

November 7th, 2017 at 2:00 PM ^

Really?

Because the week before the Akron game in 2013, M had convincingly defeated a decent Notre Dame team coming off a national championship game appearance the previous season. (That ND team would go on to finish 9-4 with wins over MSU and USC).  It was one of Al Borges' best games ever.  Our recruiting was going strong, we had a good defense, and Gardner had not yet been pounded to a bloody pulp.  Hoke had won a Sugar Bowl in 2011 and followed that up with an 8-5 season in 2012 that could have gone better if not for Denard's injury, so it's not as though his job security was in any question at that time.

 

lhglrkwg

November 7th, 2017 at 2:09 PM ^

but by that time, M-ND games had become infamous for featuring two overrated teams every year. so coming out the week following and struggling mightily with an Akron team that I believe was winless in 2012 was a horrible omen. It was at that point that I was like "oh no, we suck" and then UConn the week following only bolstered that feeling

EGD

November 7th, 2017 at 3:01 PM ^

Yes, it was certainly a terrible omen.  I don't think anybody was happy about that game at the time.  But while you and some others saw that game and instantly thought "oh no, we suck," there were others (like me) who didn't reach that conclusion until after the UConn game, the 27-for-27 game after that, or even the Michigan State game six weeks later.  

Dragonchild is saying that before any of this stuff even happened, while M was still 2-0 and riding high after the ND victory, that he wanted M to lose the Akron game because he'd seen deep flaws in the program that needed to be exposed. Maybe he did, I don't know and I am not going to try and search through old threads from 2013 to figure it out. But I just found that odd.

I remember being very upset when Hoke was hired and having very little confidence in the future of the program.  But then he (i) lured Mattison away from the Ravens, enabling our defense to become competent overnight, (ii) went 11-2 and somehow managed a Sugar Bowl trophy in 2011, and (iii) pulled in excellent recruiting classes in 2012 and 2013.  So I guess he'd kind of won me over by the time M kicked off against Akron in that 2013 game.  Perhaps Dragonchild never let go of his initial skepticism?  More power to him then, I guess.

jmblue

November 7th, 2017 at 2:52 PM ^

Oh, I thought you meant the M00N game.

I don't think he'd have gotten fired in 2013 under any circumstances.  Brandon was still comfortably in charge and Hoke had not been under much fire by the fanbase prior to the year, after going 11-2 and 8-5.