NSD Fallout: What's Worth The Outrage? Comment Count

Ace


"Remember, don't say a damn thing."

It's been barely 36 hours since National Signing Day, and it's clear the top question on everyone's mind is this: What should we be outraged over?

Since message boards (yes, including ours) seem to indicate EVERYTHING, I'm here to attempt a more even-handed approach.

RAGE ON: Bait-and-Switch Coaches

Seth covered much of this in today's Dear Diary, so I'll keep this short. Yes, it's grossly disingenuous for coaches who've spent years selling recruits on the prospect of playing for their program to take other jobs the moment the ink dries on their letter of intent. I was not born yesterday, and therefore refuse to believe that now-ex OSU RBs coach Stan Drayton just happened to field an out-of-the-blue job offer from the Chicago Bears yesterday, or that UCLA DC Jeff Ulbrich is still wrestling with the decision of whether or not to take a job with the Atlanta Falcons.

Mike Weber got unlucky; he found out about Drayton after he'd signed his LOI. Roquan Smith was fortunate; Georgia coaches—out of the purity of their souls, I'm sure—alerted him to Ulbrich's potential flight before he'd put pen to paper, and now Smith will take a week to reassess his decision.

The lesson here isn't that recruits shouldn't go to a school based on their coaches. That's just stupid. They'll spend more time with their coaches—and specifically, their position coach—than any professor or faculty member over the next four years. Having a good relationship with their coaches is hugely important for their sanity; getting quality coaching equally so for their dreams of making it to the next level. Yes, they should take into account potential flight risks and hopefully choose a school they'd enjoy attending regardless of sports, but it's hard to see the bait-and-switch coming when a coach is telling you stuff like this and this.

Just as I was finishing up this post, news broke that Texas' D-line coach took the same job at Florida, despite assurances from Texas head coach Charlie Strong to just-signed recruits that he wasn't going anywhere:

A day later, not so much.

The real lesson here is to not sign LOIs. They're binding only from the prospect's end, and while everyone signs them, they're totally unnecessary; a financial aid agreement serves the same purpose while giving a prospective student-athlete the ability to avoid just this situation.

[Hit THE JUMP for sketchy media members, sketchy greyshirts, unfortunate fan reactions, Thomas Wilcher's strong words about OSU, and something we actually shouldn't be harping on the Buckeyes about. Oh, and Graham Couch being Graham Couch.]

RAGE ON: Media's Potential Complicity

There's nothing on-the-record to go on yet, but there's smoke from both UCLA...

Smith was unaware of the news, but Georgia’s coaching staff made certain that news got to Macon County as fast as possible. Speculation behind the scenes in the media is that at least one media outlet was aware Ulbrich was going to leave UCLA as long as three weeks ago, but sat on the story until after Signing Day.

“It was common knowledge,” said one reporter. “They just agreed not to report it until after signing day.”

...and Ohio State... 

...that reporters knew of the imminent coaching changes and refused to do their job in order to help the programs they're supposed to objectively cover.

I don't think there's any need to add commentary here. Congratulations on helping millionaires pull a fast one on high school kids, I guess?

RAGE OFF: Anybody's Individual Decision

For the love of all things sacred and holy, don't be this guy:

Mike Weber chose Ohio State, and while he may be rethinking that decision after Drayton's departure, he didn't just choose the Buckeyes because of their running backs coach. He may decide he wants to push for a release from his LOI; he may not. He definitely won't base that decision on Michigan fans crowing about how he made the wrong choice. These recruits have plenty of people giving them advice about their decision; namely, coaches and family members. They don't need your two cents, before or after the fact.

Even aside from the whole coaching situation, this isn't a good look:

I hate to break it to you, but Michigan's fanbase has plenty of those guys on the right, too. Scroll through the Twitter mentions of any recruit who didn't choose the Wolverines if you don't believe me. If there's a moral high ground among fanbases that care about recruiting, I've yet to find it. This just comes off as sour grapes.

RAGE ON: Bobby Petrino

Surprise! He's still a scumbag:

Louisville coach Bobby Petrino Monday morning did what few defenders around South Carolina could do the past three years to Dutch Fork RB Matt Colburn, stop him cold in his tracks. Actually, it was Cardinals' recruiter Todd Grantham who contacted Colburn and Silver Foxes coach Tom Knotts at 10:00 AM Monday morning with the news they no longer had room for Colburn in this class and want him to wait until January to enroll. In other words, here's a grayshirt for you Mr. Football.

The silver lining for recruits down the road—unfortunately, not for Colburn, who's yet to sign with a school—is that Dutch Fork has banned Louisville from recruiting at their school. That's the only real power high school coaches have when college coaches engage in this level of sleaziness.

Ohio State may have just burned a major bridge, as well:

"I think Urban Meyer will have to step his game up; we're going to have to talk," Cass Tech football coach Thomas Wilcher told Detroit Sports 105.1 on Friday. "He has come to my school and got the No. 1 athlete two years in a row.

"You cannot come over here, come up to the north and walk out of here with your pockets full and not give us respect.

"That's not gonna happen again, I can tell you that right now."

UCLA may have done likewise, though that's less of a concern for them with a small Georgia high school than it is for OSU and the Cass Tech pipeline they very much want to keep flowing.

RAGE OFF: Ohio State's "Oversigning"


"Cutting" a guy who saw PT on defense as a true freshman is rather unwise.

Michigan fans are up in arms about potential oversigning by Ohio State, but a closer look at the numbers shows that this is just normal roster management:

Being a few players over the 85 scholarship limit the day after national signing day isn't uncommon at all. Ohio State isn't even the only team in the Big Ten currently in that situation. Coaches know more about potential roster turnover and churn than fans do, and have to recruit accordingly.

During Ohio State's press conference following yesterday, Urban Meyer alluded to potential career ending injuries to Armani Reeves, Ron Tanner, and Devan Bogard. Lest any skeptical fan clamor that these are trumped up injuries, Reeves was a highly regarded regular contributor who would been playing if he hadn't missed games due to concussions last season, and Tanner and Bogard, both special teams contributors, have torn ACLs multiple times. They did not suffer minor ailments and were then pushed into hanging it up against their wishes.

The Buckeyes have already lost a whopping 12 players from their 2012 class. Anyone that doubts the legitimacy of the injuries should note that all three players mentioned above were legitimate contributors; this isn't a Sabanesque "instead of sitting on the bench for two more years, you now have a back injury." Armani Reeves, especially, is a significant loss.

It's worth noting here that Michigan is pretty darn close to being in the same situation. If they take Stanford transfer Wayne Lyons and add Roquan Smith, they'd be temporarily over the 85-man limit, and I haven't seen anyone here complain about either possibility; ditto Weber finding a way out of his LOI and coming back into the fold. Michigan wasn't about to turn away Chris Clark or Van Jefferson on Wednesday, either. Unless Lyons and Smith both end up as Wolverines, I'd expect Michigan will only hit the scholarship limit if they award them to a current walk-on or two.

Attrition happens in football, and coaches are usually aware of potential losses before anyone else. Taking that into account when putting together a recruiting class isn't sketchy; it's smart roster construction.

RAGE ON: Oh, Look, It's Graham Couch

Lansing's resident hot take artist is at it again. How dare these high school students celebrate the day they officially earn full scholarships to live out their dreams after a years-long process that's breathlessly covered by the very same media that considers Couch a colleague. Heck, Couch even hashtagged #NationalSigningDay, presumably so he could get more attention for this bit of twerpitude.

Couch attempted to cool his take almost immediately, and in doing so demonstrated a fundamental lack of knowledge about the recruiting calendar:

If you balk at a teenager having fun celebrating a life-changing event, perhaps the problem isn't with the teenager.

That even applies to an announcement as admittedly ridiculous as Iman Marshall's B/R music video. Which scenario do you think is more likely?

  1. Iman Marshall approaches Bleacher Report and requests that they produce a music video for his announcement, even though Marshall is already slated to make his decision live on ESPNU.
  2. B/R approaches Marshall about putting together the video, which will get B/R a ton of the pageviews they crave while stealing some thunder from ESPNU's NSD extravaganza.

I have my suspicions, and I certainly don't fault Marshall for getting caught up in the extreme amount of hype that he certainly didn't create on his own.

Comments

Gofor2

February 8th, 2015 at 3:57 AM ^

To read this with some sense that it fair and balanced if it didn't site the two schools that cleaned our clock on NSD. We really should keep our mouth shut till UM actually wins something. http://i.imgur.com/6W9YrzP.png [Imgur](http://i.imgur.com/6W9YrzP.png) http://twitter.com/GridironStuds/status/564176078831632384/photo/1

Dodort

February 6th, 2015 at 2:14 PM ^

The problem is really the timing.  I think most of the recruits know that, at some point, coaches may leave to go to another school or to the NFL.  The problem here is that these deals were already in place and lied about. 

MandM

February 7th, 2015 at 4:38 PM ^

As a former coach I can tell you coaching changes can happen in a day. Coaches interview a lot and quite frequently don't get the job. He may have interviewed and received news at any time about this job, including the morning of the announcement. The point is we assume way to much about what happened in this case..I would hope Weber was smart enough to commit to a program and not an assistant coach. GO BLUE

East German Judge

February 6th, 2015 at 2:18 PM ^

Mentioned in the other thread about Wilcher, but it would be nice if Wilcher just called out Urbz as being dishonest, devious and deceitful as opposed to be so oblique and talking about respect and stepping up his game - really what the hell does that mean.

rugbyjosh

February 6th, 2015 at 2:21 PM ^

I've been reading this site for ages but I hardly ever post. The following sentence compelled me to say something:

"How dare these high school students celebrate the day they officially earn full scholarships to live out their dreams after a years-long process that's breathlessly covered by the very same media that considers Couch a colleague."

This is just a beautiful, poignant, pithy takedown. Keep up the great work.

Farnn

February 6th, 2015 at 2:22 PM ^

One thing people don't seem to mention much is the unlevelness of the playing field between recruits/their families and the coaches.  These  coaches make millions of dollars in part because they are masters of manipulation and salesmanship.  They are paid to convince families and 17 year olds, who have never gone through this process before, to sign with their school.  Hopefully the HS coaches help their players out, but many of them also have aspirations of moving up to the college ranks and pushing a kid in one direction may help them land a job.

itself

February 6th, 2015 at 2:24 PM ^

Graham Couch, officially ushered into the Order of Asshat this fourth of February twenty-fifteen. That's what running your #cakehorn will get you. 

Also, way to go Strick. 

sambora114

February 6th, 2015 at 2:26 PM ^

Nice objectivity and professionalism; the staff here is a bunch of Michigan fanatics like most of the readers--yet, still manage civility and focus on facts

MGoBlog is the Economist of Michigan sports information 

mgowill

February 6th, 2015 at 2:26 PM ^

The asshats of our fanbase show themselves here, just not for long because they aren't tolerated.  Anyone who thinks that the Michigan fanbase is devoid of mouthbreathers is delusional.  Just think for a second what mgoblog would look like without moderators.

mgoblue0970

February 6th, 2015 at 2:40 PM ^

Maybe I'm, an idealist but I think the board does a good job of policing itself. 

We had some moron make a comment the other day Asian students don't support football.  The reaction was pretty swift.  During the coaching search, several knuckleheads got negged to oblivion -- by members other than the mods.  I could go on and on.  Yes, you are correct, there are mouthbreathers everywhere.  But we don't turn a blind eye to it and that's the difference.

mgowill

February 6th, 2015 at 3:02 PM ^

You're right about the self policing here. We are quick to point out when something is uncalled for. Negs are a good way to show our distaste for something, but only act as a deterrent if the person being negged cares about the points/reputation.



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AAB

February 6th, 2015 at 3:05 PM ^

But it's laughable to say we have some sort of moral high ground on this. All you need to do is scroll a few inches to the right to read the Mgoboard thread on this story to see a couple dozen comments (which have not been criticized) about how this is "karma" for Weber because he chose OSU and how people don't feel sorry for him in the least. As a group, we are pretty much exactly as petty and childish about kids who commit to other schools as are Bucknuts, 11W, and RCMB. And we're definitely worse than places like BHGP (read their thread on Higdon recommitting).

mgowill

February 6th, 2015 at 4:32 PM ^

While I agree with most of what you said, I would argue that this blog is different than those you mentioned.  While the fans of Michigan football are not exempt from being assholes, the toleration of said assholes here is much more stringent.

I think the post from Ace is pretty spot on though about what to get outraged about and he jokingly says "Everything."  A closer examination of the board would lead one to think that.  I don't get that mad about stuff and don't feel the need to spin every news article to make myself feel better.  Maybe that's why I don't get wrapped up in the Mike Weber saga and whether or not Bobby Petrino is a jerk.

Gofor2

February 8th, 2015 at 4:10 AM ^

And if you disagree then read what the Webers think about it! [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/6W9YrzP.png[/IMG] Typical UM behavior. Maybe it's all the losing that makes UM fans this way. Also we used to be the kind of school that had enough self respect that we didn't dare criticize others and run our mouths if our own house was not in order. Should probably get back to that. Would be nice to do our talking on the field. It's all that's really worth pay attention to. And all anybody will.

J.Madrox

February 6th, 2015 at 2:30 PM ^

What is the motivation of the former Texas now Florida D-line coach? If he knew he was taking the Florida job a week or two ago wouldn't he want to start as soon as possible and start recruiting his recruits to there instead of Texas?

I understand why the OSU or UCLA coach might keep recruiting before jumping to the NFL, but why would you keep recruiting to Texas when you know you are just going to leave for Florida immediately after signing day?

Blue-Chip

February 6th, 2015 at 2:33 PM ^

I have to play a bit of devil's advocate on the media front. If a reporter is provided a release on an embargoed nature, would it not be unethical to run with it early? Having released information in that way in my professional life, I'd be seriously hesitant to ever work with someone who did that.

If it was rumblings, or something never officially released, then it would be absolute fair game. It all depends on how the information got to them.

TreyBurkeHeroMode

February 6th, 2015 at 3:31 PM ^

I can't imagine an SID doing an embargoed release for the departure of an assistant coach and it'd be hard to imagine a media outlet accepting that embargo.

More likely, you've got the situation of reporter(s) whose livelihood depends on access to the staff and players and who made the decision not to become Public Enemy #1 in the program by throwing a grenade into a recruiting class. (If we're looking for a name for this kind of journalistic earth-scorching, I nominate "Rosenberging.") Reporter's got the choice of blowing up his cushy and increasingly-rare sports reporting gig or breaking a story that nobody will remember in six weeks, self-preservation wins out.

mgoblue0970

February 6th, 2015 at 2:36 PM ^

I don't know... For every Stan Drayton there's an Alex Legion.  For every Jeff Ulbrich, there's a look-at-me-kid playing a shell game with a bunch of baseball hats.

It's hard for me to get upset about ANY of this.  All of it is just plain ridiculous.

Just show me the Michigan kids and I look forward to that Thursday night in Utah.

FreddieMercuryHayes

February 6th, 2015 at 2:44 PM ^

It would be fine if everyone was just honest with each other.  If you're a coach and are enteratining a job offer elsewhere, just tell the recruit you're considering it.  If you're a recruit, don't tell 5 coaching staffs you are committing to them.  That would cut down on a lot of drama.  But recruits get more leeway considering the schools and coaching staffs are the ones without the crazy rules imposed on them and they are the ones in the positions of power.  Rules/laws are supposed to protect the rights of those who do not have the power.

mmacrn2

February 6th, 2015 at 5:09 PM ^

After following recruiting for the past ten years or so, I am way over the drama. If a kid want's M

, then he will sign with M. Don't get mixed up in the daily antics of some recruits who seem to enjoy the spotlight and the whole mess that this time of year is known for. I hope MW is sucessful where er he ends up. Can't make choices for any of them. I can applaud the ones who know what they want and go after it...............  

Blueverine

February 6th, 2015 at 2:40 PM ^

1. "You can only trust family."  Anybody else has something to gain at your expense. Sure, there are exceptions like Wilcher, but even there, some HS coaches see opportunities down the road by steering kids to programs today.

2. "Get informed." The rule where they can sign the financial aid agreement to guarantee their scholarship needs to find a lotta love on social channels and coaches' clinics.  Anything to give these kids a little leverage is needed.

3. Urbs, Petrino, Mora, et al will find their actions to come back and bite them in the ass.

creelymonk10

February 6th, 2015 at 2:40 PM ^

Graham Couch seriously thinks kids can send in their LOI anytime before national signing day, but they all just coincidentally choose to do it on this particular day because they have character issues? Don't talk about a subject you know absolutely zero about, what an asshole.

oriental andrew

February 6th, 2015 at 5:50 PM ^

My thought to a tee. When exactly ARE they supposed to hold their National Signing Day presser, if not on National Signing Day, Mr. Couch? 

"Hey, I've signed my LOI to Michigan! But since NSD is 2 weeks away, I'm just going to go put this in my desk drawer until then. But it's signed!"

Gitback

February 6th, 2015 at 2:43 PM ^

It is articles like this, right here, that reaffirm my love of this Blog.  Intellectual honesty, even when it comes to OSU.  Most other team specific sites don't have the integrity to take off the homer glasses and apply logic and some amount of objectivity to these situations.  

I, for one, want to ACTUALLY know if OSU is over-signing.  I don't want confirmation of my pre-conceived notions that they are; I want to really know.  Based on what I'm seeing, it's not a legitimate charge, so I won't level it.  The thing with Drayton leaving right after Weber signs... that appears to have legs.  Hopefully it will have ramifications when it comes to future recruiting (although I doubt it).  

Our message boards aren't quite as even-minded as they used to be... that's hard to maintain as a site gets more popular; but the staff writers still do a great job of being reasonable with their takes, regardless of the situation and the entity involved.  

Da real Geezer

February 6th, 2015 at 3:13 PM ^

i've never posted here, but have read mgoblog for years.  This article is so well done, and so necessary, that I wanted to say thanks.  Whoever said that this is The Economist of blogs hit it dead on.

jmblue

February 6th, 2015 at 3:30 PM ^

So according to Graham Couch, to hold a press conference on February 3 of this year would have been perfectly fine, but holding it on February 4 meant THE END OF CIVILIZATION AS WE KNOW IT.

 

blackstarwolverine

February 6th, 2015 at 3:51 PM ^

Enligthening read, even fair sided regarding reactions to recruits from Ohio State and Michigan fans. I'm not sure why grown men react that way to what is a very difficult decision for high school kids. Just a shame. Lastly, I'm so glad Bobby Petrino left my alma mater--like I and a friend, who campaigned against his signing as football coach, predicted. He and Pitino definitely keep things classy in Louisville.

champswest

February 6th, 2015 at 3:54 PM ^

diaries and MGoBoard post and reader comments today on this blog is twofold:

1. If other schools do something suspicious, it is quite likely illegal, immoral, unethical, lying or a dirty trick on some poor kid, but if we do something suspicious, it is okay, because it was only for one year, it will help recruiting, other people are doing it and "what ever it takes to win."

2.  Some people still think that the media can be trusted to tell us nothing but the unbiased truth and in a timely manner.