OT: Izzo a Candidate for Magic Coaching Job
Don't do it, Tom. Stay here and take your whuppin' like a man.
https://www.freep.com/story/sports/mlb/tigers/2018/05/24/michigan-state…
He doesn't get credit for developing them. They were both the #1 player in the country coming out of HS and would've been the #1 pick in the draft with or without attending Kentucky.
and could only be written by a fan of a rival school. The idea that he is a "rape enabler" is ludicrous on its face and really dumb besides.
here for lack of development. I don't think he is good, per se, but I don't think he's bad either.
As everyone has mentioned, he hasn't necessarily hurt the stocks of recent early entrants Davis, Bridges and JJJ. So he gets a push for them. Ditto Jason Richardson and Zack Rudolph.
Other than maybe Adreian Payne taking longer to reach his potential than expected (while still getting to the first round), I don't think anyone stands out as having been drastically underdeveloped by Izzo.
He's had some relatively high rated recruits not get drafted but all of them that I can think of were rated highly because they projected to be good college players (which they were for the most part) but were never projected to be pros: Drew Nietzel, Mateen Cleaves, Paul Davis, , Matt Costello, Keith Appling, Brandon Dawson, etc. He went through a long period of targeting those types of players after Richardson and Rudolph left so I don't think that should be a knock on his player development.
And he did get Draymond Green and Denzel Washington into National POY conversations/votes which was impressive in both cases considering what was expected out of them.
I think overall he gets a grade of "meets expectations" in terms of player development.
Beilein of course gets a grade of "wildly exceeds expectations."
I mean, the guy has two academy awards. You're right, he's a phenomenal developer of talent.
Same with their football program where Narduzzi is a good fit but not sure if he’s proven enough at Pitt
Just for reference:
Dantonio went 7-5, 4-7, 7-5 at Cinci before taking MSU job.
Paul Chryst was 6-7, 7-6, and 6-7 at Pitt before getting the Wisco job.
Narduzzi has gone 8-5, 8-5, 5-7 at Pitt, and Pitt has only really had 3 better seasons (2002- 9-4; 2008 9-4; 2009 10-3) since the early 80s. Seems like he is probably in line for the MSU job, which would be nice to be able to get revenge on him for the RR/Hoke era.
School like PITT is always going to have 4-5 losses minimum. Playing Ok St. and Penn St. last year doesn't help.
On the radio, they phrased it more like "The Magic are interested in Izzo", which left it unclear whether or not he actually had any interest himself in bolting for an NBA job.
That aside, I honestly don't know if his shtick would generate success in the NBA - I have this image of an Izzo NBA career either being the other Brad Stevens or a total disaster depending on how his message was received, and I have to believe the latter is more likely.
raise season ticket sales for a minute and he could cash out after two years. Give him his out in EL and enable MSU to ignore some of the harder questions.
Seems to me like there could be something to this. Izzo looking for a convenient exit and probably $20 mil guaranteed has his people reach out to NBA owners who are all from Michigan.
Gotta get out before the hammer falls!
we'll believe it when we see it.
Idk how Izzo's coaching philosophy would compete in the NBA which essentially plays like Michigan on steroids when it comes to spacing the floor.
Mineral King is a troll and a bad one.
Why has he not been removed from this board?
and shit on UM, that would be one thing. I can deal with entertainment, but MK's schtick is this.
Assert outlandish, and overtly unrealisticly optimistic phrases about UMs atheltic endeavers. For instance, saying that Um will be coming off of back to back national championships in 2020 and how it is too bad for the current players for missing this future feat in UM excellence. Or as the one above suggests, Coach Izzo will never have success in march agian because UM is always going to beat MSU. I believe this idea is to bait unsuspecting MGBLOG users to agree with outlandish statements, which can then be used to illustrate how delusional UM fans are.
The problem as I see it, is that if you don't like UM and want to troll us, be my guest. Be funny and original and it will be entertaining. Your schtick is intellectually dishonest, and it smacks of cowerdace. I would never pretend to be an OSU fan to fuck with their fan base. That is reprehensible behavior. Going over to gloat after a win, still not great human behavior, but atleast one is doing so with the integrity of proporting one's true feelings.
If you would, MGBLOG members, I reccomend that we Neg the hell out of MK - it's not funny and adds no value.
Not that I add value ;-)
people labelled him a troll a while back when he "guaranteed" Patterson's eligibility, that was about it I think. You may have seen a particular thread where he was getting bashed, but nothing I have seen from him consistenty indicates that he is a MSU troll or anything like that. He is a decent poster from what I have seen.
The joke is quite simple. He is saying that since MSU gets ousted every year from the tournament pretty early in recent years, he does not get to coach through March. Since the NBA season goes until late April, if he had an NBA job, he would be guaranteed to coach through March. It was pretty simple tongue-in-cheek. The rest of us got it.
It looks like in trying so hard to "stand up" to Mineral, you are actually beginning to act trollish. I would let this go and move on, but that is just me.
and yes, his style/philosophy would be even worse in the NBA. His tenure would likely be Rick Pitino-like.
He won't leave though. Way too invested in his legacy at MSU and way too obsessed with winning basketball games for that University (such that he's happy that the entire community's obsesssion with winning sacrifices student safety) to jump ship now. His legacy would take a huge hit if he left under these circumstances and he cares a lot about his legacy.
actually think his obsession with legacy increases the chances he bolts. If he left for an NBA job, it would be a "prestige" move for him and he could avoid getting pummelled by Michigan and Beilein until MSU fans want him out and his legacy completely shot. If he left for the NBA he could take the "pursuing the next challenge" angle, could maintain his "legend" status at MSU and live in retirement weather with no literally no expectations that his team would be any good.
And it is the NBA so he would not even have to really "coach," he would just need to establish a trusty substitution pattern, get a technical for some random call every now and then and have a couple of snarky passive-aggressive responses prepared for his sideline in-game interviews. He also would never really have to deal with any of the OTL allegations either. If I were Izzo, I would be stalking Orlando right now for that job.
Agree with ijohnb's take. Izzo could currently extricate himself from MSU while maintaining a semblance/modicum of a legacy there, which isn't guaranteed in the future.
In addition - 0% personal income tax rate in FL. 0 expectations, the floor is expected and anything above (i.e. a weak EC playoff run) would label him as an overachiever.
Also, he loves waterfront property - delivered a pie to him in North Shore Estates (offseason home) near Grand Haven/Spring Lake, right on Lake Michigan. I can definitely see how Izzo could look at this situation as a life-preserver of sorts.
be considered "pursuing the next challenge" at this point. He's turned down way too many chances to do that for it not to clearly be running away from the OTL allegations and from a broken University that he claimed he wanted to help heal.
I think it would leave a lot of MSU fans resentful and damage his "legend" status if he left right now.
And I think he's far too prideful to think he should leave to avoid Michigan and Beilein. He will want to stay so he can get back his mojo against M and go out on top, instead of look like he ran away scared (which it definitely would look like right now).
For someone not so tied to the University - Pete Carroll at USC, Calipari everywhere he's been - it would be a no brainer decision professionally to get out now, but Izzo does love MSU.
Just my opinions though.