OT: Shooting at CMU
I don't see how the excerpt you've quoted "counters my narrative". The final sentence says "other studies have not found this correlation". The quote I chose said that "Whether gun restrictions reduce firearm related violence remains an unresolved issue". Seems to me that both of those quotes are in support of one another.
The quote I used came from page 15 under the "Defensive use of Guns" subheading
https://www.nap.edu/read/18319/chapter/3?term=defensive#15
Yes I strongly encourage you to read the full report. Knowledge is power.
Except that it literally does cite studies where they estimate how many lives are saved by guns with the low end being 108K per year. Gun deaths in the US are ~30K per year. So yeah, guns save more lives.
You'd have to read the whole study to "cherry pick" and I'm thinking you won't spend the time to do that.
The CDC is banned from studying gun violence in the United States. If you're bullshitting, at least make the effort to be convincing about it.
No, don't you get it? Saying they exist is sufficient. You should just take him at his word.
Don't be an idiot and think critically about sources!
https://www.nap.edu/read/18319/chapter/1
Here is the study he was talking about. Please read it in its entirety.
NOTICE: The project that is the subject of this report was approved by the Governing Board of the National Research Council, whose members are drawn from the councils of the National Academy of Sciences, the National Academy of Engineering, and the Institute of Medicine.
This project was supported by awards between the National Academy of Sciences and both the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) (#200-2011-38807) and the CDC Foundation with the Foundation’s support originating from The Annie E. Casey Foundation, The California Endowment, The California Wellness Foundation, The Joyce Foundation, Kaiser Permanente, the Robert Wood Johnson Foundation, and one anonymous donor. The views presented in this publication are those of the editors and attributing authors and do not necessarily reflect the view of the organizations or agencies that provided support for this project.
What if I told you it was already federal law (since 1968 actually) that you have to be 21 to buy a handgun. And domestic violence is currently screened for on the 4473 form you have to fill out.
Irony... something... thick.
I just read in the Detroit freepress that the shooters 2 victim's are his parents...crazy.
Idiocracy is coming true.
Been true for some years now.
It creates homes for these echo chambers of insanity. It seems like it's really skyrockted the proliferation of outrageous conspiracy theories and all the nonsense way out on the fringes
Looks like the victims might be the shooter's parents. Sick.
Whose facebook/twitter did you get that from?
One of those memes that sound so thoughtful to the unthoughtful. All the JWow's out there are shedding a tear at the beauty of this quote.
I don't have facebook or twitter, so try again guy. Message boards are as far as I go. I detest social media. And I'd wager that my grasp of history is more comprehensive than yours, based on your posting here.
There are miles of middle ground between totalitarianism / no guns to where the USA is where most of the 1st and 2nd world nations reside
Yeah, that bullshit argument died when Sherman marched to sea and burnt Atlanta to the ground.
Don't forget about the Redcoats that will garrison your house!
Seeing as that has happened in exactly 0 modern nations that operate under some form of liberal democracy, I'm not terribly worried.
How about you hold your breath while we wait for it to happen.
Cause your little militia with AK's and AR's are really going to be compeitive against the most advance army, navy, and air force in the world...good luck though.
Vietnam says hi.
Light rifleman remain the most effective way to control territory. Just look at our experience with the insurgency.
Couple that with the fact that various war game estimates have 50% or more of the US military straight up defecting instead of carrying out operations against citizens, yeah I think the little militia's would be fine.
Goat herders have done a fine job of resisting the army and marines in Afghanistan.
Not to mention the very likely scenario that over half the army and marines would defect and not attack US citizens.
"If I do not have an AR-15, the next thing that will happen is we will turn into Syria and the government will take everything I own"
which is exactly what has happened to every other first world nation on earth
(As if any home owner with a gun could actually do anything against the US military if they did try to take over)
If by that you mean "living in constant fear of each other," then sure. But that's not politeness. That's just an atmosphere of passive-aggressive terrorism.
Because you probably throw kitchen accidents into the stabbing numbers. Also, I wouldn't be shocked to find that gunshot wounds are more than 19x more likely to be lethal than stab wounds.
This is a silly comparison. If the perp in this case had used a knife, one or both of the victims would almost certainly still be alive.
Do you really believe this? That if the US government comes for you you're going to be able to protect yourself from them with stuff you bought at wallmart?
That didn't even remotely answer the question but ok.
My apologies, I must be missing something because you are particpating in a different conversation than I am. Go Blue!
So what you are saying as a gun owner is that you would rather break the law than abide by one that infringed on what you believe?
It is spelled out in plain english at the end of the sentence, SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED.
Nobody wants to appeal the 2nd ammendment though. But making changes based on new information/technology is not a bad thing.
it's not people like myself who are out there murdering people it's criminals but I'm sure they would happily follow the law if you asked nicely.
I see this argument a lot. I actually know a lot of people who legally carry concealed weapons. They are very responsible with their guns. Easily 90% of them have stated outloud that they own weapons that are not registered, licsensed, or permitted or whatever the vernacular is. "Well those are the guns they know about." Any of these self proclaimed law abiding gun owners can turn into the "criminal" that other "law abiding" gun owners claim are ruining their good name in a heart beat.
It is not illegal to manufacture and posses firearms you made on your own. See the rise in 80% lowers. And to be clear every single gun that has a serial number on it can be tracked. It isn't in a centrally stored database but there is a paper record. Guns you make at home are not trackable and are completely legal for you to own. Try to sell them without being a registered dealer and you are a big time felon though.
You act as if "criminals" are a different species or something. You could very easily be one of them and might already be one.
So how do you explain every single other industrialized world in the nation, that has access to all of the same mobile phones/television/social media not having this problem?
Bottom line, access to guns make it easier to kill people.