Friday to OSU

It's not irrelevant. And I'm so tired of correcting you on this that I am not putting up the links and numbers anymore. It's futile to do so because you always come back and say the same shit.

you are missing the point.   UM can lose to Iowa if it means UM is still competing for championships.   UM has not been competitive in over a decade.   Hell, can't even win the fricking blooming onion bowl.  

Everybody is shooting in the dark here and making assumptions and guesses while lacking key and relevant inside knowledge of the program.

Some of the thinking, speculating and guessing makes sense and is logical given what info you have or think you have, and based on logical and common assumptions and perceptions of the people involved and things going on or not going on in the program with the staff and players.

I too lack enough inside knowledge, to this point, to make definitive judgements, but when I put all of my data points together that I do know from  from horses mouths and other athletes, along with what I've seen on the field, especially with the bowl game added to various visible coaching flaws and mistakes over 3 years, and extensive info I gathered after that game, I've really lost faith and changed my opinion pretty drastically. 

In one way that's putting a lot of faith into one version of things regarding my change of mind on the future of the program, but in context with what I've seen and things I've heard from more guys than just the one recent one over the course of the last 2 years, everything else supports what I heard recently although each of the previous things only seemed like weird little light red flags at the times I heard them, it all looks differently in total.

I'm afraid there are major fundamental problems in the program that only one guy can cure, and until I hear or see differently I don't see any reason to have hope for needed changes. I think everybody is chasing their tails in all the speculation and that there is no way to even be close to guessing what the deal is without hearing things I haven't heard said in public and am not at liberty to say.

I thought, and maybe still think somewhere deep down, that any coaching flaws could and would be overcome with enough stockpiling of talent and things would start to run under their own steam, but now I'm wondering if all the rational seeming reasons why this has been downish recruiting year but that it will be a blip before the roaring storm of the 19 class and going forward have a lot less to do with the falloff than we thought and that it's really these fundamental problems that don't seem to be fixing and that maybe we won't be stockpiling the kind a talent it seemed like we were headed toward doing and that this whole thing is really going to fail.

I know nobody wants to hear or believe this, and maybe the guy is figuring things out, or will, & is modifying his attitude to save the ship. Hopefully the next time I can speak to someone else & they'll give me a different view of things somehow. 

Maybe we'll have a miraculous year with great qb play and greatly improved receiving and blocking, or enough of the former two to overcome blocking issues, and then recruiting will pick up despite the issues? Ugh.

IMO the loss is more psychological than him actually being elite.  I think he is a real good player, but definitely not as good as his ranking suggests.  But shit, Michigan still wanted him and recruited him hard, led for him for a long time, then OSU comes in and snatches him up last minute.

Its more egg on the face than anything.  Keeping Otis is more important than landing Friday was.

This is all correct. He is not a DT at 6-3 260 he is an SDE and we have 3 of those in this class already. Not a huge loss IMO, just feels that way because it's OSU.