QB going forward ...
So having traveled to PSU for whatever you want to call that ... I think the question has to be raised about who should QB going forward. First, I want to add that JOK played up to his abilities vs PSU ... good scrambles, some positive throws and of course we had drops and he still has an issue with not throwing balls away instead of getting sacked ... especially on 1st down. But be that as it may, Michigan is not going to anything other than a normal bowl game and with our next 3 games being Rutgers, Minnesota and Maryland, I think Peters needs to get game experience starting next week. JOK is gone next year and Speight is unavailable, and McCaffrey needs to red-shirt so why not let Peters get some real meaningful action?
Next season will likely have Peters and McCaffrey dueling it out (with perhaps WS) but we should be able to win the next 3 games without sensational QB play anyway. Isn't it time to get Peters some very valuable "real" action as our QB?
Go Blue
October 22nd, 2017 at 9:13 AM ^
Coaches don't typically think like this, so I doubt we see Harbaugh simply make the change and give Peters the full week of prep. What I do now see having a better chance of happening is if O'Korn has another subpar performance like he did at IU against one of these next three opponents, Harbaugh is quicker to make the change.
What I do know though after watching enough of O'Korn is that he just doesn't have the skillset to mesh with what these offensive coaches seem to want to do. He's a quick passing game type of QB and he gets very uncomfortable having to wait for passing plays to develop. Add to it that he hasn't developed what NFL type QBs need to, the skill of throwing the ball before the receiver is out of the break. That's part of the reason he's facing pressure so much.
Can Peters do this yet? I don't know. But this is the kid the coaching staff chose to most heavily pursue knowing his skills and what they want to do.
October 22nd, 2017 at 9:28 AM ^
is a good assessment. Having watched the last few games, every pass play seems so chaotic. I know the line has struggled, but there have been so many drop backs where O'Korn just seems to instantly start dancing around. He is elusive, and he got away from several sacks, but his happy feet don't give anything time to start. Add to that the poor line play and it is a bad mix.
But then you watch another game, and it seems like those QBs have all day. And they very well may, it might just be viewing thru the fan prism. But the passing game just looks and feels very different from others.
October 22nd, 2017 at 9:42 AM ^
Thanks.
The line has had some issues, but I think at times the play from other offensive positions has made the OL look a lot worse than it really is.
This past February brought one of the best WR hauls that UM fans have seen in awhile with Black, DPJ, Collins, and Martin. Black showed a lot of promise, DPJ has shown flashes, and the other two remain to be seen.
It's not nearly as disastrous or depressing, but John O'Korn's skillset in this particular offense fits about as well as Threet's did in RR's spread option. With O'Korn, UM almost needs to forget about numbers 5-9 in the route tree. But in doing so, you eliminate a lot of your playbook.
October 22nd, 2017 at 10:15 AM ^
October 22nd, 2017 at 10:58 AM ^
I saw him on the sidelines too, but don't remember seeing him running any patterns.
October 22nd, 2017 at 9:19 AM ^
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October 22nd, 2017 at 9:26 AM ^
sorry
October 22nd, 2017 at 9:30 AM ^
The problem is never one person or unit. Multiple factors are contributing to this offensive ineptitude.
October 22nd, 2017 at 10:59 AM ^
Yep. And regardless of which one you point out, it's dismissed as an "excuse" by those who just want to be upset and can't understand why someone would try to rationalize their emotions.
October 22nd, 2017 at 9:40 AM ^
would sound after the team loses to Rutgers. In CFB you focus on next year if you have no shot at bowl eligibility anymore, not when you're 5-2. Because the same geniuses who tell you to do so do, obviously, make a difference between 5-7 and 8-4.
October 22nd, 2017 at 9:42 AM ^
October 22nd, 2017 at 11:02 AM ^
Just wait. You haven't seen anything yet. ND will have a pretty seasoned Wimbush coming back. MSU will have Lewerke, and OSU will have Haskins who has gotten quite of bit of mopup duty already and looked good doing it. If we don't start getting another guy who will be here some snaps, next year could get real ugly and fast. You think people are restless now? Wait until we start off losing at ND, followed up by MSU and OSU, which are all on the road.
I think people ought to start rethinking the strategy of not letting Petes play if they love Harbaugh so much because if you lose all 3 of those games that seat will be blazing, considering it would take years just to get back to .500 against rivals. If it takes until year 8,9, or 10 to get to that, I mean come the fuck on.
October 22nd, 2017 at 10:08 AM ^
October 22nd, 2017 at 10:52 AM ^
Give this young team time to grow. We still have a top-10(?) defense. An offense that actually saw some improvement last night, even though it wasn’t consistent and the two pieces we’ve been complaining about were the actual problem(s). Let’s judge this team at the end of the year. After we’ve beaten Ohio State, deal?
October 22nd, 2017 at 10:59 AM ^
We're not beating Ohio State. Put the pipe down and come back to reality. Just like we were beating Penn State this week too. There isn't time to let the young team grow. This is a sport that you have to be able to win in from year to year, not every 4 or 5 years as they "grow."
October 22nd, 2017 at 11:04 AM ^
Yay. More platitudes.
My favorite is, "You play to win the game" so if I could put in a request for that one to be in your next post, I thank you in advance.
October 22nd, 2017 at 12:19 PM ^
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October 22nd, 2017 at 10:28 AM ^
October 22nd, 2017 at 11:00 AM ^
Their jobs already are on the line. Everyone but Harbaugh has a job on the line. And if he loses to ND, MSU, and OSU next year, his will be too.
October 22nd, 2017 at 12:18 PM ^
October 22nd, 2017 at 10:37 AM ^
The two best moves he did as HC as Moo U was to insert Conner Cook as QB as a RS Frosh at the end of the bowl game vs. TCU during a 6-6 lost season.
And, last year, inserting Lewerke into games as a RS Frosh. MSU's line was as bad as ours but Lewerke gave them scrambling ability and was a break from Tyler O'Connor. You can see how the games last year helped Lewerke this year, at least finding ways to extend plays. MSU's 3-9 wasn't all on the QB (O'Connor) but Coach Dick realized he wasn't going to win with the 5th year guy.
I realize O'Korn has more mobility than O'Connor but this hasn't helped him avoid some sacks when he should throw it away.
If Peters really is far away from being ready to play...sigh.
October 22nd, 2017 at 11:55 AM ^
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October 22nd, 2017 at 11:45 AM ^
balas/umbig11 and others seem to think mcaffrey > peters. Peters is aloof, not a leader, is transfering, ect.
meanwhile scout and others just say Peters while not a natural leader, is the most talented qb on the roster.
which is it?
October 22nd, 2017 at 12:50 PM ^
October 22nd, 2017 at 11:05 AM ^
Everyone will play against Rutgers.
GO BLUE!
October 22nd, 2017 at 1:38 PM ^
October 22nd, 2017 at 11:09 AM ^
October 22nd, 2017 at 11:11 AM ^
Develop a QB for Nov 25th. We have OSU at the Big House and if JOK keeps developing we at least have a shot.
October 22nd, 2017 at 11:32 AM ^
October 22nd, 2017 at 12:05 PM ^
is there any reason not to think he starts next year? 5th year guy with most experience?
i am not saying its what we should do, but knowing harbaugh, we will have a solid d, good backs, shaky oline...seems to all point to game manager QB and hope your D holds up (basically strategy these past two years)
October 22nd, 2017 at 12:39 PM ^
October 22nd, 2017 at 12:18 PM ^
Peters had better get his head out of his ass, stop being a prima donna and join the team as one of the guys.
October 22nd, 2017 at 12:42 PM ^
October 22nd, 2017 at 12:47 PM ^
as the starter for the rest of the season. If they're in another blowout, which is possible, I'd give Peters some reps. Assuming they make it into a bowl game I'd give Peters at least a quarter. There is no reason to throw him into the spotlight right now with this mess they have. Don't want to mess with a young QBs confidence.
October 22nd, 2017 at 1:19 PM ^
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October 22nd, 2017 at 1:56 PM ^
young man is the best and plays the best and knows the offense. And with no turnovers.
October 22nd, 2017 at 2:34 PM ^
He would probably be pretty decent right now or a broken man and we still have McCaffrey and Milton as possible saviors. It is stupid to start QBs who have no future here when you have a flawed team that can't challenge for a NC anyway
October 22nd, 2017 at 2:49 PM ^
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October 22nd, 2017 at 3:19 PM ^
I think it's time to see what Peters can do, for sure. It has been said on the podcast already, he literally can't do any worse than JOK has. Put the young man in and get him some reps!
October 23rd, 2017 at 8:10 AM ^
until we find a long term solution. Glad we are doing this in 2018. We should have been doing it all along.
Hopefully Peters can get some meaningful playing time this year.
Any regrets about moving Gentry to TE? How about giving Shane Morris the firm handshake? I know, SM has has been up and down at CMU but at least he was a viable option.
This team won't achieve its goals until we find a very good QB.
October 23rd, 2017 at 11:07 AM ^
October 23rd, 2017 at 11:07 AM ^