October 21st, 2017 at 10:58 PM ^
October 21st, 2017 at 11:03 PM ^
I dont think its been thesame since speight threw that int vs michgan state last year.
October 22nd, 2017 at 2:11 AM ^
Huh? We beat Maryland by like 100 the week after that, so no.
Iowa was the inflection point.
October 21st, 2017 at 11:06 PM ^
October 22nd, 2017 at 12:35 AM ^
But I'm still hoping we will in 2019. Harbaugh will rebuild this team. I think he needs a good OC hire next season. But odds are that Sp8 will be the starter and he seems to have accuracy issues just like O'Korn.
October 21st, 2017 at 10:58 PM ^
October 21st, 2017 at 10:59 PM ^
should be replaced TONIGHT
October 22nd, 2017 at 9:54 AM ^
Brian Kelly fired his DC mid season last year and we all laughed. Who's laughing now?
October 21st, 2017 at 10:59 PM ^
no reason not to prepare for 2018. Also I hope James Franklin falls and never gets up.
October 21st, 2017 at 11:12 PM ^
Here was my mindset going into this evening - there was likely no way that we'd see Peters barring catastrophe of the physical kind, which I was OK with really, but having seen this offense just machine gun itself in the foot time after time again, I wouldn't mind seeing him at some point in the Rutgers game.
I say that in full realization that Harbaugh continually says he'll play the personnel which he believes give us the best chance to win, but at this point....I am curious, I'll put it like that.
October 21st, 2017 at 11:12 PM ^
I am with you. they will get taken care by OSU.
We dont' have to worry about that. We just need to care about our team and development.
October 21st, 2017 at 10:59 PM ^
October 21st, 2017 at 11:00 PM ^
not helping out the problems at QB and o-line. Taking the problems and amplifying them. Pass plays are often terrible ideas, given the personnel.
October 21st, 2017 at 11:00 PM ^
We clearly don't have the talent/experience right now so it needs to be addressed n recruiting and we need a bomb ass WR coach/offensive coordinator this offseason.
October 21st, 2017 at 11:03 PM ^
October 21st, 2017 at 11:11 PM ^
2014 - 31
2015 - 50
2016 - 5
2017 - 5
Unfortunately, those top 2 classes are mainly freshmen, RS freshmen and some true sophomores. Add in the fact that we don't have a QB....well - it explains things a litte.
October 21st, 2017 at 11:15 PM ^
October 21st, 2017 at 11:17 PM ^
October 21st, 2017 at 11:34 PM ^
That is shocking. I didn't realize recruiting was that bad for a few years.
October 21st, 2017 at 11:45 PM ^
October 22nd, 2017 at 1:30 AM ^
They were 3-9 last year. Do you want to wager that will not happen no matter how long Harbaugh is the coach at Michigan?
October 22nd, 2017 at 8:26 AM ^
October 21st, 2017 at 11:37 PM ^
We were 8th in 2016.
Regardless, the real issue here is that as our weaker older classes are rolling off, it doesn't look like we are gaining on any of our divisions rivals, well, maybe MSU but not OSU or PSU. They are bringing in significantly better classes than us this year. Recruiting is still a concern. It's pretty solid, but not great and if we continue to lag OSU by this much it's a huge problem.
October 21st, 2017 at 11:49 PM ^
October 21st, 2017 at 11:03 PM ^
October 21st, 2017 at 11:11 PM ^
At the most important position on the field, Harbaugh's gone with Iowa's backup, a mid level 3* signed by the previous staff with weaknesses in his game that we've all noted many times, and Houston's backup.
I can understand not wanting to go with McCaffrey right now b/c of redshirt reasons and the fact that he physically looks like he's 12, but if you're not going to at least put some things in motion for Peters now, then I'm giving up completely on trying to understand what this staff is doing.
Opening Saturday next season is Michigan at Notre Dame. I don't know what's more scary... going in with Wilton Speight as the starter or a completely inexperienced Brandon Peters.
October 21st, 2017 at 11:15 PM ^
October 21st, 2017 at 11:22 PM ^
After what O'Korn did at Purdue, he (and rightfully so) had a firm hold on the starting QB job with Speight out. Then even as he struggled against MSU, it could be qualified as being in a monsoon and explained away. Last week, you could try to put lipstick on it as a turnover-free game and one on which the RBs were relied upon more heavily.
But it's clear that this offense is based around an NFL style route tree and John O'Korn just does not fit that. And for awhile, I figured Drevno & Co would adapt things to what O'Korn does well, which is get rid of the ball quick and control the pace of the game with short passes (hitches, curls, outs) and quick reads. He ran an offense like that in high school and again at Houston. Go back and watch the YouTube clips that were posted all the time after he announced his transfer to UM. And look what Drevno's trying to get him to do! This offense needs to be tweaked based on what O'Korn does.
I agree with your take on what the coaches have seen in practice. But tonight ended Michigan's quest to play in Indianapolis. Tonight changed things.
October 21st, 2017 at 11:38 PM ^
But if we do tweak what we do, then the rest of the offense has to spend a year learning what harbaugh obviously doesn't view as the future identity of the offense. Just to turn an 8-4 team into a 9-3 team.
October 21st, 2017 at 11:49 PM ^
I think it's better to bring in a future QB and give him a chance. Okorn can bring in his A game as a backup. There is no point to give up habarugh's playbook for just one player that will not be with the team next year.
October 22nd, 2017 at 12:01 AM ^
I hear that. And I defended RR in 2008 for implementing his playbook and only winning 3 games because of what I thought it would set up down the road.
But with a defense that (until tonight) was dominant and a backup QB who simply has no chance of executing the more complex route trees, you still run "your offense" but by calling more plays with the patterns your QB can throw, like the hitches, the curls, etc.
You eliminate some of the longer developing plays, the back shoulder timing routes, deep posts, etc.
But what did we see tonight? 3rd and 5 and every receiver (except Gentry who was short of the sticks) is running complex, long developing routes 15+ yards downfield.
October 21st, 2017 at 11:26 PM ^
October 21st, 2017 at 11:29 PM ^
Bullshit. Games aren't practice. Tired of hearing that excuse because it doesn't make sense.
October 21st, 2017 at 11:37 PM ^
October 21st, 2017 at 11:15 PM ^
MSU has more young players than our offense. They can constantly hit the slant and relieve the pressure. We don't even have a slant play, with either speigh or okorn. That's coaching.
We have better recuirt rating on WR, yet many of them drop balls. That's on WR coaching.
October 21st, 2017 at 11:20 PM ^
They have a much better qb and they aren't worldbeaters on offensive either. They had 3 points on Indiana until the 4th quarter.
October 21st, 2017 at 11:33 PM ^
yet, i wacthed that game. he can throw slant on a tight coverage. Those are basic play every Qb should know how to run on 3rd and 5. and the WR was only freshman. and caught the ball beautifully.
October 21st, 2017 at 11:01 PM ^
October 21st, 2017 at 11:01 PM ^
October 21st, 2017 at 11:01 PM ^
October 21st, 2017 at 11:01 PM ^
October 21st, 2017 at 11:14 PM ^
Not sure what was worse...
The three straight passes in the monsoon after Higton ran 4 times for 20 yards.
The zone block draw on 3rd and 5 on UM's 2nd to last drive against MSU.
or
The play action pass on 4th and 11 tonight.
Harbaugh demoted Drevno from OC to OL coach once before in their time together. I have to figure it'll be discussed this offseason.
October 21st, 2017 at 11:18 PM ^
5 WR set verticle, and Okorn take off and run.
don't think drevno will be here next year.
October 22nd, 2017 at 12:07 AM ^
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October 21st, 2017 at 11:01 PM ^
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October 21st, 2017 at 11:02 PM ^