OT: Report - Tigers trade Justin Wilson and Alex Avila to the Cubs

Submitted by ckersh74 on
Okay, here it is. Per Lynn Henning (who I despise) on Twitter:
 
Cubs get: Justin Wilson and Alex Avila
Tigers get: Jeimer Candelario and Isaac Paredes, and PTBNL or cash.
 
Candelario is arguably the Cubs' #1 prospect, a 3B in AAA. Paredes is an 18 year old SS in A-ball.
 
EDIT: Here's the link to Henning's tweet: 
 

M_Born M_Believer

July 31st, 2017 at 1:18 AM ^

But still struggled a few times this year. I like his upside but this is his first year closing so there in minimal track record. As for Avila, I'm shocked he has any trade value really. As you noted his offensive numbers have been sliding the past couple months. His career BA is only .242 and he has not hit over .230 the past 4 seasons. He is just holding onto a torrid April/May start to prop up his BA. As for defense, there is a reason he is the back up now. His arm has gotten weak over the last few years but he "calls" a good game??? So to get a couple of prospects and one that might blow up to be a legit player. It is what it is. As of now the Tigers now have 4 prospects in the top 100 and I can not remember the last time that has ever happened. Still a long ways to go to completely stock the farm system, but it has started. While there are concerns about getting even value trades, one positive I see is that our last 3 #1 picks are showing promise. As we are heading to an era of top ten picks. This will help continue to stock the farm system. So yeah I'm an optimist.....

bronxblue

July 31st, 2017 at 11:56 AM ^

I wouldn't bank on Wilson being a long term closer. He's solid, but is FIP is out of wack with history as well as his swinging strike rate, so you could see him come back to earth a bit. He strikes me as a solid bullpen arm in the 7th-8th with spot closing opportunities if someone is tired. Avila was hitting like a champ earlier, but has fallen off a bit recently. He's a fine backup catcher. He's also a FA, so this might just be a rental.

Lou MacAdoo

July 31st, 2017 at 1:00 AM ^

When dombroski would trade he would always try to get arms. I can't believe we've made two trades and we've gotten five infield prospects. I know they're severely lacking there but this seems a little overkill. I hope they at least make the Hens better. They've been crap for years.

ThadMattasagoblin

July 31st, 2017 at 1:46 AM ^

Dump Alex Avila while his value is still high. Next year he could hit .230 for all we know. At least we got something out of it unlike JD Martinez where we got next to nothing from the Dbacks.

ca_prophet

July 31st, 2017 at 4:26 AM ^

It always surprises me when someone trades something of value - even a lottery ticket prospect, much less two - for a non-elite bullpen arm.  You can usually take your sixth starter (or even your top AAA starter), put him in the bullpen and tell him not to worry about more than two innings, and watch his pitching get better.

The Cubs are set for years in the infield, barring misfortune, and need a push for this year, and Wilson is signed for next year too, but I like this deal for the Tigers.

 

bronxblue

July 31st, 2017 at 11:53 AM ^

Detroit gave up a backup catcher and a fine bullpen arm who is pitching about his historical numbers this year. They got back two good prospects and seem to have a plan to rebuild the infield. Nobody is a genius or got fleeced in this transaction. Both teams got what they wanted and paid appropriately for it.

GoWings2008

July 31st, 2017 at 8:43 AM ^

As a Cardinals fan (only by geography, Tigers are still MY team...) I'm really not sure how I feel about this one.  Having Avila, who has a history of less than stellar hitting, although he seems to be doing better this year, and Wilson...I'm a bit torn on that part of it.  HOWEVER, to the Tigers...this just isn't what I'd hoped for out of this season.

MaizeAndBlueWahoo

July 31st, 2017 at 12:26 PM ^

Yes, I have.....and the truth is, Houston's roster was built mainly through non-tanking methods.  Carlos Correa and Alex Bregman were top-ten picks, and they got their closer Ken Giles by trading near-bust top-ten pick Mark Appel.  Joe Musgrove was acquired in a major sell-off trade - not, I would note, a just-dump-everyone fire sale.  Lance McCullers is borderline....he was a compensatory draft pick.  Bregman isn't a major part of their roster yet, though.

On the other hand, George Springer was a pre-tank draft pick.  Jose Altuve and Yuli Gurriel were Latin American FA signings.  Nori Aoki was a lucky waiver claim.  Josh Reddick and Charlie Morton were a FA signings.  Marwin Gonzalez was acquired in a pre-tank schmo-for-schmo trade.  Mike Fiers was a deadline pickup two years ago for a bunch of guys who weren't top draft picks.  Evan Gattis was the result of an offseason minor-leaguer swap.  Carlos Beltran, obviously not a guy you pick up during the tanking process.

Point is, the Astros were not built by just dumping everyone for peanuts, sucking for a while, and getting high draft picks.  They were built the same way you can build a team without doing that.  You don't need to win 55 games to draft well and identify good prospects to trade for.  The correlation between Houston's time in the cellar and their current good fortune is minimal.  And, I note, they haven't really won anything yet except a wild-card game two years ago.

MGoCustom

July 31st, 2017 at 10:39 AM ^

You load up on talent in the minors.. no matter where it is. 

The Tigers have one of, if not the worst farm systems right now. They can't afford to be picky. 

ckersh74

July 31st, 2017 at 11:13 AM ^

This could be a massive rebuild by next spring, if they want to go that route. Upton can opt out, so the entire outfield can be re-tooled. If we pick up a shortstop between now and March, it's possible that Kinsler-Castellanos-Iglesias could all be gone. Machado might play 2B, with Candelario at 3rd. The only starting position players we would have would be Miggy and McCann. We'll probably be younger in the bullpen. The rotation of Verlander-Fulmer-Boyd-Zimmerman-5th starter could be defensible for the short term. Now, I don't think they're going to be that radical, but it's not completely out of the question.