Fire Beilein Snowflake thread
February 4th, 2017 at 8:28 PM ^
Yup. The writing was on the wall well before this season. Good guy and all that, but UM will only get back to that Final Four level if he catches lightning in a bottle with multiple recruits. He doesn't get the 5* guys that the top level programs reel in every year, nor does he seem interested in them. The opportunity was there after those two seasons to get the program rolling but he completely whiffed.
February 4th, 2017 at 8:30 PM ^
February 4th, 2017 at 8:43 PM ^
but whose job is it to bring in the talent???
How the hell is Wisconsin so far ahead of us and more consistent. They have made the NCAA tournament 18 straight years and they are also a "Football School", but I doubt their MBB facilities are better than ours, but why do our results pale in comparison to them???
February 4th, 2017 at 8:45 PM ^
February 4th, 2017 at 8:31 PM ^
February 4th, 2017 at 8:54 PM ^
February 4th, 2017 at 10:37 PM ^
February 4th, 2017 at 8:58 PM ^
Shut up.
February 4th, 2017 at 9:02 PM ^
You sure think highly of yourself.
February 4th, 2017 at 10:07 PM ^
dont talent and winning go hand in hand?
February 4th, 2017 at 10:35 PM ^
February 4th, 2017 at 11:46 PM ^
If you're going to use such a crass term, at least learn how to fucking spell it.
February 4th, 2017 at 8:20 PM ^
Who thinks he shouldn't be fired?............ (crickets)
February 4th, 2017 at 8:34 PM ^
I agree it's probably time, but remember before he got here Michigan basketball was hot garbage for a LONG time. For the "it can't get worse crowd" it absolutely can.
Also, who are we hiring? Unlike Harbaugh in football, there is no ready made elite UM bball candidate.
And the biggest factor, if the university wants to stay squeaky clean in basketball due to the past, plain and simple our program has a low ceiling. NCAAB recruiting is filthy these days, and if you're not getting in on that, there is only so much you can accomplish not being a traditional power.
With the way Manuel has managed so far I would be surprised if Beilein was fired anyway.
February 4th, 2017 at 8:40 PM ^
Like I said in the last Fire Beilein thread and the thread before that...make a list, start at the top and I bet you hit on someone...
It's going to cost, but fuck it...we're paying 3 football assistants over a million. Here's the post:
We've got the money...I'd go for it for sure.
To be honest, I'd just start at the top and create and list until you get someone in your top group.
Go offer Brad Stevens a shit ton of money. No?
Jay Wright. No?
Tony Bennett? No?
...Gregg Marshall, Archie Miller, Chris Mack.
Just go down the list, but open up the checkbook like you did for Harbaugh.
February 4th, 2017 at 9:04 PM ^
Did you just quote yourself? This isn't the first time, either.
February 5th, 2017 at 9:35 AM ^
February 4th, 2017 at 8:46 PM ^
Stop being an apologist and saying things can always be worse - this sounds like what lions fans say. See my comments above, how the hell does Wiscy have a better program than us, they have gone to the big dance 18 straight years and I am sure their facilities are not better and they are a Football School like us.
February 4th, 2017 at 8:57 PM ^
I'm just making the point the program was in shambles for YEARS before Beilein.
I don't have enough data to comment on Wisconsin, I do know Michigan wants to be a clean program (not a good thing), Crisler is dead (most of the fanbase is apathetic), and I don't have a list of elite candidates ready to take the job.
February 4th, 2017 at 11:24 PM ^
February 5th, 2017 at 1:05 AM ^
Ugh....we went an entire decade 1999-2009 without making the tournament. Amaker didn't make the tournament one time in 6 seasons.
"Bad team" we literally made the tournament LAST YEAR.
The revisionist history around here is amazing.
The program was trash for a decade before Beilein showed up. I'm at least going to give the man the respect to try and finish this season out and make a late run.
February 5th, 2017 at 10:07 AM ^
February 4th, 2017 at 11:50 PM ^
Get outta here with that bullshit. The program was never "in shambles." And being scared of things getting worse is not a good enough reason to keep from changing when one is needed.
February 4th, 2017 at 8:57 PM ^
February 4th, 2017 at 8:38 PM ^
Which is why saying it over and over is almost as silly as "BRING BACK JIM HARBAUGH! snowflake thread."
February 4th, 2017 at 8:44 PM ^
February 4th, 2017 at 9:29 PM ^
To be fair, most of the posters over there have no idea what they are talking about, that includes Dylan.
February 4th, 2017 at 9:33 PM ^
February 4th, 2017 at 8:21 PM ^
February 4th, 2017 at 8:22 PM ^
With a whole week off to prepare as well.
February 4th, 2017 at 8:28 PM ^
You don't fire a coach like this now. You can talk to him at the end of the year and figure out an exit, but firing a guy at this stage would be both disrepectful to Beilein as a coach and also do nothing but screw up the atmosphere on the team and recruiting and make it that much harder for the new guy.
February 4th, 2017 at 8:39 PM ^
We have paid this man a lot of money, which he will receive no matter what. That is respectful enough to someone who hasn't performed at their job for 2 years
February 4th, 2017 at 8:53 PM ^
First, Beilein has been doing his job. I'm tired of people equating losing with not doing your job. That's intellectually lazy and insulting.
Secondly, I don't know how Michigan fans see the head coaching position nationally, but it ain't a top-10 job. Hell, probably not even top-20. So if you fire your tenured head coach, who has overseen a revitalization of the team, kept it clean, and still has a winning record, in the middle of the season, you are going to turn off any reasonable coaching candidate off the bat. Sure you can maybe win them back, but it's an even bigger uphill climb.
I am fine looking at replacing Beilein at the end of the year, but it's not about the money as much as making the transition to the next guy not be the abrupt garbage fire you see at other schools.
February 4th, 2017 at 9:08 PM ^
Let's see....
Recruiting.........nope
Player development. .......... nope
W/L record......... not so much
What am I missing here, and who's really being intellectually lazy?
February 4th, 2017 at 10:44 PM ^
These are incredibly subjective and I can just as easily refute your simplistic answers. I'd argue getting DJ Wilson and Mo Wagner into competent providers after we all sort of signed off on Wilson is impressive and shows development. He went to the tournament last year despite missing his first-round draft pick for basically the whole conference slate. He had a bad-luck recruiting cycle last season, but I think this year's incoming class has potential. He still has a winning record this year.
Again, I'm not defending Beilein as untouchable, and the trend is absolutely going in the wrong direction. But people calling for him to be fired Monday is insane, and I think you evaluate him at the end of the year and see what's available.
February 4th, 2017 at 11:55 PM ^
Wins and losses are not subjective. I agree with you, it's an end of the year move. But it is a good job and plenty of good coaches with fire in their bellies will want it.
February 4th, 2017 at 9:48 PM ^
I don't think firing Beilein at this point in the season would accomplish anything. As for doing his job, I'm really not sure what you mean. Bottom line, I'm not satisfied with the product on the floor, Beilein owns the product (he recruited the team, and has coached the players on it since they arrived), and I don't see any evidence that this team or future teams have significantly higher ceilings.
As for what I think will happen... I really don't know... the buyouts this year and next are both very steep, so it would be a big expense (http://www.mlive.com/wolverines/index.ssf/2015/11/john_beilein_contract…)...
February 4th, 2017 at 9:54 PM ^
I don't think anyone wants to see Beilein fired right now. After the season yes. Oh and there wizz, you make it a top ten job by paying the money that all the other top basketball schools pay. You mean to tell me that Michigan cant match a fricking Kansas, UNC, Kentucky, Syracuse, etc. The list goes on and on. Those schools aren't shit compared to Michigan. This is fucking Michigan. There is a reason the school has that saying.
February 4th, 2017 at 9:06 PM ^
You should be worried about "respect". Whoever the next potential coaching candidates are certainly will be.
February 4th, 2017 at 9:11 PM ^
It's about facilities, money, and buyouts. Respect is on the back page
February 4th, 2017 at 8:29 PM ^
Some of you guys need to calm down. It would be insulting to fire Beilein mid-season after what he has done for the program. Like tell me what the fucking point would be? To send a message to Beilein? It's not like an interim coach could instantly turn things around and get us in the tourney.
February 4th, 2017 at 8:33 PM ^
February 4th, 2017 at 8:43 PM ^
Yeah so let's fire Beilein mid-season and "take our chances" with a first year assistant. That's brilliant man. It's not like the team is 5-18. This loss moved us to the outside of the bubble. You realize no quality coach is going to answer Warde's calls if he does what you're proposing, right? It's simply not the way you treat a person like Beilein. Hell we let Amaker have 6 or 7 seasons exactly like this one before letting him go. Get real.
February 4th, 2017 at 8:46 PM ^
February 4th, 2017 at 8:48 PM ^
Yeah, that is just totally incorrect.
February 4th, 2017 at 8:59 PM ^
Our athletic program would get destroyed by the sports media if we let Beilein go mid-season. It would be absolutely unprecedented. You lunatics need to go take a walk, smoke a cigarette, have a wank, whatever. Chill out and settle down with the reality that John Beilein will be coaching for at least the rest of this season.
February 4th, 2017 at 9:03 PM ^
FWIW, although I would obviously be in favor of firing him, I agree that the odds of that happening are slim to none
February 4th, 2017 at 8:49 PM ^
February 4th, 2017 at 8:53 PM ^
well shit did he forget to write "street fight" on the wall today? done with you.
February 4th, 2017 at 8:55 PM ^