Can't let it go? Delusional PSU theories you HAVE to hear
These are from the mouths of a couple ardent PSU fans who relayed to me some of the things other PSU fans talk about. This is what happens when its You vs. The Rational World. More proof that truth is stranger than fictio -- you couldn't make up some of these (#2 and #4 in particular), I mean, unless you actually believed them to be true.
1. ITS THE SANCTIONS -- You've all heard this, but it continues to this day. Why did PSU not have backup linebackers? B/c the sanctions crippled recruiting over the years. Why does the OL suck? B/c for years the sanctions deprived them of having full teams for practice. It's the one excuse that explains everything away, and continues to do so.
2. COACHING CONSPIRACY -- This one's my favorite. We all "know" B1G schools have been negatively recruiting PSU. And coaches who have been most successful at this have been "rewarded" with HC gigs "in PSU's main recruiting territory," to continue that negative recruiting. The proof:
MSU DC Narduzzi --> PA (Pitt)
OSU DC Ash --> NJ (Rutgers)
UM DC Durken --> MD (UMd)
See? You can't deny those "facts." People involved in negatively recruiting PSU for things that aren't PSU's fault (Sandusky, media frenzy, Hackenberg, etc.) are now put in position to further undermine PSU's ability to restock itself.
3. ITS NOT THE COACHES -- Franklin is a great guy and no one could be expected to do well against the forces against him. Oh, and Bill O'Brien? He didn't abandon ship. Rather, he wants to be HC of the Patriots when Gawd retires, so he wanted to get into the NFL as an HC as soon as he could and prepare himself for that.
4. IT'S ACTUALLY ALL HACKENBERG'S FAULT -- Kid was a mess between the ears, and because he sold the program to rely on him so much, he single-handedly tanked the program's recovery. Had the kid been good, we wouldn't be here talking about the demise of PSU. They'd have been winning, getting top recruits as a result, etc.
5. IT'S THE MEDIA'S FAULT. The media LOVES tearing down successful programs. They's rather that USC, PSU, etc. all suck than be successful. (Of course if you take this logic to the extreme... then the media would prefer that all the blue bloods suck, and the national championship be decided between Boise St., Northern Illinois, Connecticutt and Purdue.)
Dudes and dudettes, when you have this much blame to go around ... of course PSU fans can feel victimized by everyone else.
September 25th, 2016 at 5:57 PM ^
Maybe they should try him at Linebacker next week.
September 25th, 2016 at 3:32 PM ^
That is what having your punter as the best player on the team feels like.
September 25th, 2016 at 4:22 PM ^
I was wondering why that guy is so overweight? He is a Sophomore! I cant imagine he is getting the workouts in like the O-Line guys and the D-Line guys are.
September 25th, 2016 at 5:48 PM ^
but said kicker looked pretty wrecked himself as he left the field....
September 25th, 2016 at 2:50 PM ^
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September 25th, 2016 at 2:51 PM ^
"I will think of Penn State as dead until Coach Harbaugh makes it so then I will think of them no more"
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September 25th, 2016 at 2:51 PM ^
September 25th, 2016 at 3:58 PM ^
running up scores, winning by too much, etc. After the years we spent in the wilderness, I no longer care or feel bad. Just keep the pedal down.
September 25th, 2016 at 2:55 PM ^
Seems like a lot of posters on BWI hate being in the B1G. Please. We would all like you to leave.
September 25th, 2016 at 2:55 PM ^
September 25th, 2016 at 2:56 PM ^
To an extent. I mean, they're down to finding linebackers off the street, which could kill any team. And the line also sucks, but hey, guess what, maybe they should have primarily recruited lineman, even with sanctions. It doesnt matter if Chris Godwin is good if McSorely can't get the ball off. Not to mention they apparently can't coach an O-line anyway.
I feel like with a good O-line and D-line, 6-6 (at least) would be in play for any team.
September 25th, 2016 at 4:07 PM ^
September 25th, 2016 at 4:21 PM ^
witness that field goal attempt yesterday.
Here are a couple statistics which I find to be telling:
(1) Under Bill O'Brien, Penn State went 8-1 against the spread in regular season games that immediately followed a straight-up loss.
(2) Under Franklin, Penn State has gone 1-8-1 against the spread in regular season games that immediately followed a straight-up loss.
Point-spreads aren't perfect, but they do give an indication of "expected performance." And PSU did exceed "expected performance" under O'Brien when they had faced adversity (e.g., coming off a loss). With Franklin, not so much.
For the degenerates, this is also a tip to bet Minnesota on Saturday!
September 25th, 2016 at 2:58 PM ^
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September 25th, 2016 at 3:35 PM ^
We could have beat them in flip flops and let them call the penalties.
September 25th, 2016 at 4:34 PM ^
Ref conspiracy has been the rage ever since they joined. It's about keeping the top two properties intact i.e. Michigan and osu. That's what's keeping them from dominating the league.
September 25th, 2016 at 3:07 PM ^
There were a couple PSU fans behind me at the game yesterday and all they talked about the whole first half was how they hate playing here cause you have to go against the refs too and kept citing the 2 "extra" seconds in 2005. I really wanted to remind them how they also got extra time put back on the clock on their last drive but fortunately the score drove them away by halftime.
My other favorite part is when they were showing highlights from the old PSU game and the guy goes "Of course they don't show all the times we crushed them". 1. Obviously we wouldnt show that as a highlight 2. I guess he forgot what their record against us was?
September 25th, 2016 at 3:12 PM ^
September 25th, 2016 at 3:15 PM ^
I thought JoePa actually got the 2 seconds put on in the fourth quarter, on either their last drive or the one before.
September 25th, 2016 at 3:24 PM ^
September 25th, 2016 at 4:12 PM ^
Anyway, what's really ridiculous about it is that this happens every game. There is always some point where the clock operator misses the referee's signal and has to put a couple seconds back on.
September 25th, 2016 at 4:29 PM ^
Stupid Carr supporters thought he was so great after that. "What do you think of our coach now?! He got us that win because we needed that extra second!"
What those morons don't get is that Carr waited until literally the last chance he had to take even a single shot at the end zone on that drive. He was such a pussy.
September 25th, 2016 at 4:36 PM ^
We lived through Sparty Bob so psu can suck cock.
September 25th, 2016 at 3:28 PM ^
and we got like one call the entire game. PSU got that holding call to preent our touchdown, a number of dubious pass interfrence calls and the 4th down stop. Yup the refs are always siding for us against you.
September 25th, 2016 at 3:39 PM ^
Their TD drive certainly had the whiff of pity refereeing.
September 25th, 2016 at 3:15 PM ^
September 25th, 2016 at 3:02 PM ^
September 25th, 2016 at 4:01 PM ^
and then there is comprehension. They struggle with at least one of those things.
September 25th, 2016 at 3:06 PM ^
OK, so #1 and #5 have some degree of plausability. Some.
#1 The sanctions did weaken them, and certainly weakened recruiting, and weakend competition at a lot of spots.
#2 Sounds like the paranoid delusions of a wounded fanbase. Different, but not too different from the bloodletting that Michigan fnas experienced for much of the last decade.
#3, #4 don't know or care enough about Penn State to look into it that much. I just recall that Franklin was considered "hot" and a really good "get" for them at the time, though some of the shine has warn off. That Hackenberg was a major diappointment is no understatement.
#5 The press do love to proclaim how the once mighty have fallen, schadenfreude is definitely a factor, and with the Sandusky scandal, much of the sactimonious finger pointing will continue, at least until PSU does a better job of being and contrite and owning up to everything.
The B1G is better off with a solid following in PA and the east coast.
September 25th, 2016 at 4:32 PM ^
Jim Delaney, is that you? There is no "solid following" of the Big Ten on the East Coast. The NY, Boston and DC markets generally don't care much about college sports.
September 25th, 2016 at 3:06 PM ^
September 25th, 2016 at 3:10 PM ^
notable Penn State alumni, Sandusky is the first one that comes up. There isn't very much after that either.
September 25th, 2016 at 3:11 PM ^
Can't let it go
September 25th, 2016 at 3:20 PM ^
I think the sanctions are still hurting them but it's very clear to see that Franklin isn't very good. In no world do you kick a field goal from the 2 when you're down 4 scores. they actually looked competent under Bill O briwn with like 65 scholarship players on their team.
September 26th, 2016 at 3:34 PM ^
He wanted to score. I could see that, or at least imagine why someone would see it that way.
What made absolutely zero sense was calling timeout to avoid a delay of game penalty so your chip-shot field goal can be from 19 yards instead of 24. The only way that could possibly be right is if your kicker is on the edge of his range. And if an extra point is already on the edge of your kicker's range you probably need to find a better kicker and there's probably one sitting next to you on the bench.
September 25th, 2016 at 3:27 PM ^
and there is a whole lot of crazy, yes.
But even I haven't seen numbers 2, 3 and 4. What are you talking about here???
As regards the sanctions --- some PSU folk make it out like a nuclear bomb was dropped. Some non-PSU folk make it out that, since the sanctions were reduced, there was no zip nada zero punishment and the program got off with no ill effects at all.
As is usually the case, it's somewhere in the middle. This is PSU's first year back giving out 85 scholarships but because of smaller recruiting classes in the past, the team definitely does skew disproportionally young right now. That's just simple math.
As regards number 5 --- every fanbase out there has a few folk saying "ESPN/Kirk Herbstreit/Fox Sports/CBS/(fill in the blank) hates us."
September 25th, 2016 at 4:36 PM ^
Michigan fans do the exact same thing in their revisionist history on UM basketball in the wake of Ed Martin. Every time a Fab Five thread is started here, some moron or three will say that Webber cratered the program for 15 years, ignoring our own institution's clear incompetence/indifference.
September 25th, 2016 at 10:23 PM ^
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September 25th, 2016 at 4:39 PM ^
September 25th, 2016 at 4:52 PM ^
remains worthy of my loyalty and support.
My user name is not "PaternoFan" or "SanduskyFan." Those two are not worthy of my continued loyalty and support.
And before anyone chimes in with their opinions on why "greater Penn State" is not worthy of my loyalty and support --- I respect your opinions. It's also something that has not been heard many times before. (interesting 11W article about that below if anyone is interested)
http://www.elevenwarriors.com/college-football/2016/05/70687/this-again
September 25th, 2016 at 4:52 PM ^
September 25th, 2016 at 4:56 PM ^
I gave you an answer, and beyond that I'm not engaging in a "this topic again?!?!?" discussion with you.
Carry on.
September 25th, 2016 at 4:58 PM ^
September 25th, 2016 at 5:06 PM ^
I'm a guest here, and I try not to be rude. You asked me a question, and I gave you an answer.
I should have known better though. You weren't interested in my actual answer. You just wanted to bait me into a response so you could tell me what a low-life fucking loser I am.
September 25th, 2016 at 9:58 PM ^
September 25th, 2016 at 10:05 PM ^
but I'll also say it wasn't unreasonable to read your response (after I did give a legitimate answer to a legitimate question) as a snarky-ass response.
I'm all for conversation. Something a little more enlightened than "Fuck Penn State" (which, one must admit, is not uncommon here).
September 25th, 2016 at 11:27 PM ^
NittanyFan, I'll admit to my own bias here but will interject to say that I have found most of your posts well thought out (and IMO introspective) and that Reader71 is one of the most respected voices here for very good reasons.
Kill someone if you must but you have a serious person (Reader71) questioning a passionate and well informed visitor.
Please engage.
September 26th, 2016 at 4:13 PM ^