JUB seems to think O'Korn is the QB

Submitted by Michael on

During his interview on WTKA this morning, John U Bacon seemed to imply that John O'Korn is the starting QB. At least that's what it sounded like to me, when he says "You have to see what O'Korn does in this system" in evaluating the prospects for making the playoffs.

Listen from the 28:00 minute mark.

http://www.wtka.com/2012/09/06/podcasts/

EDIT: To clarify, I think this is significant for two reasons: 1) JUB offered this as fact and not merely his opinion, and 2) JUB has very good access, so it's possibly he's unintentionally leaking information nobody else has.

Of course, I don't subscribe to any of the paid services so I really don't know what's being talked about there.

ssuarez

August 26th, 2016 at 3:44 PM ^

He seems to be making that assumption, but he wasn't she "YOU HAVE GOT to see what he does with this offense!!!" as in he's excited about it, he was saying it is an unknown, like I think they'll be good, but "you've got to see what he does in this offense". 

UMProud

August 26th, 2016 at 4:13 PM ^

If O'Korn has cured his gunslinger mindset he seems the logical choice simply due to the fact he has wheels that Speight doesn't.  If he hasn't improved his decision making under pressure then Speight it is.  We can win it all with either guy since they are being Harbaughed up!

Elmer

August 26th, 2016 at 4:16 PM ^

You can debate the attributes of each QB all day long, but the bottom line is one kid is running the offense better than the other after three weeks and he is going to start.

One of them has a better QB chip in his head and hopefully it's similar to the chip in Tom Brady's head.

 

The Claw

August 26th, 2016 at 4:45 PM ^

That's my pick.  If it's that close, I'm going with the one that's most mobile.  Don't think there's any debating that O'Korn has some legs and Speight is more like a very large tree.

Year of Revenge II

August 26th, 2016 at 5:02 PM ^

Harbaugh with input from Fisch and Drevno is making this decision, and they probably already know who it is or where they are leaning.

Team might already have  a good idea also, but they look like they are keeping it under wraps until the opening series.  Speight saying to the media that they knew last year it was Rudock when Jake walked on the field is absolute horsehockey (and if you believe that I have a bridge for sale), and several players last year as much as said they knew who the qb was 7-10 days in advance.

I would be surprised if Bacon knows who the starter is, but he is buddies with Harbaugh.  Still, hard to believe his statement was anything but Bacon's personal read on it based on not much.  My guess, and by all unconfirmed reports, snaps have been split evenly.  

Common sense dictates it is O'Korn, as he appears to be, and has been reported to be, significantly more athletic than Speight, who seems to have won a lot of favor with coaches with his attitude and work ethic.  Anybody who watched Speight during MN and OSU games could not have felt comfortable with him at the guns.  I agree with poster of about a week ago who said, "no way is he winning the Big Ten as a starter", although if he is, I will obviously be pulling for him.  I have not seen anything of O'Korn other than the spring game, but it is crystal clear to me, and I am sure to the coaches, he is the superior athlete.  

I thing I know for sure---if posters here are leaning Speight, than I am leaning O'Korn.  85% of posters who commented on Rudock last year through 5 games or so pegged him as a crummy qb who had to be replaced somehow, when it was, again, crystal clear that his decision-making, his reads, and his arm accuracy were vastly superior to anything else we had, and that all he had to do was to get a little more comfortable in the offense.  Go back and read the comments if you have any doubt. It was laughable.

Harbaugh and crew do not care who you or me think is the best qb.  Only thing that stops O'Korn from day one is his decision-making is my guess.  I am not saying Speight is chopped liver, or may not give us the best chance to win if the coaches say that is so, but I predict O'Korn will have to play his way out of being starter in the actual games, rather than in three weeks of a lot of non-live drills in an otherwise close competition.  

 

Year of Revenge II

August 26th, 2016 at 5:27 PM ^

Could be that was the reason, but I suspect it was not to put a lot of pressure on the new transfer Rudock.  

This year, it could be that they are giving deference to Speight as a reward for his work and loyalty, or maybe they just don't know yet.  I'm not buying it though, and expect O'Korn to take the field, and for Speight to get a lot of PT not in a 2-qb system, but whenever the opportunity presents itself.  If O'Korn makes a lot of bad decisions in the first few games, Speight could end up winning the job.

...or he may win it now, but I just don't see it.

Indonacious

August 26th, 2016 at 5:09 PM ^

I don't really think anybody knows anything worth a damn about this QB battle - myself included. Half the people don't think speight is any good solely, imo, because he is associated with the Hoke era. O'Korn had some hype due to his freshman year but its been 2 years now since that for him, so I'm not sure how relevant that is at this point, particularly in a new system. So, we have basically reduced to fairly unsubstantiated back and forth about "big arm, gunslinger, game manager, leader, trusted, height, mobility based discussions" of which we don't really have that much recent data (unless you count the spring game, which I don't really as meaningful at this point). 

blahblahblahh

August 26th, 2016 at 6:01 PM ^

Where is all this hype about O'Korn's running ability coming from? In his freshman year at Houston he had 77 rushing attempts for 104 yards (1.4 yards/attempt). His sophomore year was 32 attempts for 18 yards (0.6 yards/attempt)... of course he didn't play a lot his sophmore year and that's why the attempt number is way down, but the yardage/attempt is not good at all.

As a comparison Rudock had <70 rush attempts each of the three years he played at Iowa and Michigan, but he ran for at least 160 yards every year.

Also, Jake had at least 3 rushing TDs each of the three years he played. JOK had one his first year and one his second.

I really think you guys are overhyping O'Korn's running ability.

blahblahblahh

August 26th, 2016 at 6:12 PM ^

That's not what I've seen in comments. I mean just in this thread someone wrote, "He's not just mobile at QB, he's another RB." That simply isn't true from the numbers or what I've seen.

Also I can't edit my original post now, but I screenshotted a comparison of Rudock and O'Korn's stats:

blahblahblahh

August 26th, 2016 at 10:45 PM ^

Yep, sacks are certainly a factor, but they were a factor for Rudock too. I honestly don't know if JOK got sacked significantly more than Rudock. While the O-line plays a big role in this, if a supposedly mobile quarterback is getting dropped for losses often enough that it brings his rushing numbers to <2 yards/attempts, that's a problem in itself.

Anyway, my point is that the hype just seems kind of crazy for a slightly mobile guy. On paper he's less mobile than Rudock. Factor in getting sacked a lot more (if that was the case), and he's probably Rudock's equal.

Again, I just don't understand where the huge hype for that part of his game came from. It's like a couple people started talking about it and everyone else latched on. 

We know from interviews that moving the ball down the field is one of the big factors for Harbaugh, and it's something they track in practice for comparison purposes. If JOK being slightly more mobile allows him to be successful, he will be rewarded for it. It's weird to me that people are "rooting" for JOK. I root for whoever gets the job, because that's the best guy. People seem to think Harbaugh's train of thought is, "Well, O'Korn is better, but I think I'm gonna play it safe with Speight." I guarantee that's not the case.

And for context, I looked up average yards/attempt numbers for other quarterbacks. All these numbers are from last season:

Hackenberg***: -1.2

Coker: 0.9

Cook: 1.1

Beathard: 2.4

Mayfield: 2.9

Kizer: 3.9

Watson: 5.3

Barrett: 5.9

***lol

Rodriguesqe

August 26th, 2016 at 6:55 PM ^

I think Speight starts and O'korn gets maybe 20% of the snaps and is used situationally and in wilcat packages.

Having two similar qbs, you just play whoever is better. But even if Speight is better, he doesn't give you everything O'korn does so there is room for both.