Former Central Michigan and Indy Colts HB Zurlon Tipton deceased
http://www.indystar.com/story/sports/nfl/colts/2016/06/28/ex-colts-rb-z…
What a shame. I hope this doesn't start a political discussion about gun safety, but it probably will. This is just an unfortunate tragic accident above all else. Someone earlier in another thread said deaths come in threes... While Tipton certainly didn't have the impact Buddy Ryan or Pat Summitt did, he's still an athletic figure in a public light.
Sad. It was an accident.
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Sad. You have to respect firearms and follow the basic rules. These are not fucking negotiable.
- Always keep the gun pointed in a safe direction.
- Always keep your finger off the trigger until ready to shoot.
- Always keep the gun unloaded until ready to use.
4. Always treat a firearm as if it were loaded.
We have a winner!
I'm no gun expert, in fact I know very little about guns... but I'm wondering if most folks actually follow rule 3? That rule would make sense for hunting, but if you carry a gun for self defense, do you really want to have to load it first? I'm guessing most conceal/carry people carry loaded weapons with the safety on. Is that correct?
Good question. You could carry it without one in the chamber, thus requiring a rack for loading - Israeli style. Better IMO but opinions vary. It may piss people off but I'm going to say it. You have to be one dumb MFer to pull this off. RIP Tipton.
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One problem is he may well have had it safetied, and the gun became unsafetied because it was loose in a duffle bag. I know a few people who rely on the safety as their primary safeguard against accidental discharge, and it's strikingly reckless to do so.
Tragic accident, but I like this chatter on the board about gun safety.
If a gun is not on my person it sure as hell doesn't have one in the chamber and more often than not doesn't have the clip or magazine even in it. I've been around guns my entire 39 years and I never "trust" one.
It's dumb enough to have a chambered round let alone a chambered round in a god damn duffel bag.
Maybe it was a revolver?
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holder is for extra magazines, not to put the only magazine you have in. No one I know that carries does so without at least the mag in the weapon. There are plenty - including myself - that don't have one in the hole but I'm fairly certain everyone at least has a mag in the gun.
I can load and ready in under 2 additional seconds. It's not a QuickDraw contest.
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I can no longer say I've never heard of that then!
Just keep the safety on and having it loaded wouldn't be an issue.
NO.
Do you have any idea how easy it is to unlock the safety on a gun?
If you can butt-dial your phone, you can unlock the safety.
No. On many firearms, the safety can be flipped to the hot position inadvertantly. On the basis of relative risk, do you think you are more likely to be hurt or killed by your own loaded firearm with a round chambered, or because you found yourself in a situation where you didn't even have time to load a mag?
Take Glocks for example that don't even have traditional safeties. Following the basic rules of safety as described by the posters above make it impossible for something like this to happen.
The safety is far less reliable than any of the four boy scout rules of gun safety at the top of this thread, so much so that some instructors would prefer than you not even know that it exists.
Further, not every firearm has one.
Exactly, this isn't a gun issue, it's a stupidity issue.
So many of these tragedys could be prevented with just a bit of common sense.
It IS a gun issue if stupid people can have guns.
Think about what you just said.
This is an awesome thread and I've learned a ton as someone who knows NOTHING about guns.
But think about what you just said...it's not a gun issue, you want to push your agenda on gun control, whatever...but you say it's a stupidity issue...which from reading this thread - you're 100% correct.
But if stupid people can have guns or easily get guns...it IS a gun issue as well.
I don't want stupid people carrying guns and I don't think you do either. He could've easily killed me or you if we were in his presence with him being a not so bright human being.
It's possible that people who are FOR gun control are really just FOR stupid people and dangerous people not having guns - and if that makes it tougher for good people to have guns, then so be it...better than the other way around in their eyes. I'm sure many of those people couldn't care less if smart non-killers have guns. Not all of those people, but some.
It's not black and white is my point. It can be both.
Not to knock a fellow Chip, however his death, while tragic was clearly avoidable. This guy seemed to be reckless with his firearms:
Tipton had been involved in a previous shooting incident. He was arrested in late 2015 in Greenwood for allegedly firing a semi-automatic rifle. According to the December 2015 news release from the Greenwood Police Department, Tipton was arrested after police responded to reports of gunshots in the 1400 block of Round Lake Road. Witnesses told police the suspects fled the scene in a Jeep, which was tracked down a couple of blocks from the scene. Tipton, the driver of the Jeep, was questioned along with his brother, Cortez Tipton, who was a passenger. Police found a loaded 9mm handgun and a loaded Colt AR-15 assault rifle in the car. The prosecutor’s office declined to file charges, according to the Greenwood Police Department.
Good details on how it happened here
http://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/local/macomb-county/2016/06/28/ma…
I caught this on TV last night when Channel 7 in Detroit ran with it - very tragic indeed. They also played the 911 call on the air, and the shock and horror from the people at Mike Riehl was pretty evident too, as you would expect.
The Colts were out on social media offering reflections as well - those are here, linked in this PFT article - LINK
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for a modern, double action handgun to go off due to dropping. A cocked single action maybe would/could. What likely happened is something in the bag shifted and pressed the trigger. A lot of handguns don't come with a safety or an external hammer. When they're cocked you better be serious about it.
Because I only have personal experience with Glocks, but with a Glock it's as close to impossible as it can get. There's a trigger safety that need to be depressed initially before the trigger can be pulled. They also have firing pin safeties that block the firing pin unless the trigger is pulled.
So the only way for a Glock to accidentally fire is by stupid unsafe firearm handling, and even then it would still be hard. First it would have to have a round chambered and something would need get stuck on the trigger safety and actually pull it.
This asshole brought a loaded .38 into my son's four-year birthday party in a loose purse, and set the purse on our kitchen table with the gun showing. Next to the cake, with maybe ten kids around under the age of eight. All at a rural lakeside location.
She was pissed that I grabbed the purse and gun (carefully, of course) and told her calmly but firmly to put it in the trunk of her car and never bring anything like that into my house or around my kids again. I was ... unrelenting in my position.
Tons of dopes in this world. I'm happy that my brother upgraded wives a few years later.
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Own a gun if you want to. Leave it out in the open-- ESPECIALLY AROUND KIDS-- and even the two NRA nuts I know (and I say that lovingly, since they are uncles) would put the fear of God into an atheist.
I, too, am glad your brother upgraded. That sort of stuff infuriates me to no end. guns, cars, and recreational vehicles are simiar in one way: use common sense and never forget they are very powerful, descrutive forces if they aren't respected.
and yet so many who won't follow them. Sad indeed. RIP Mr Tipton.
That being said...I feel for his family. There's no taking back what is done. Hopefully people will learn from this senseless tragedy.
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People treat guns like they do Tic Tacs. One is for fresh breath, the other to save your life when the inevitable moment comes where you must become Rambo and save the planet. Just toss them both in your bag & forget about them... then try to remember which is which.
Not that it matters, as accidents happen to OTHER people and you are always responsible.
Damn. Feel terrible for his family. Even worse is that this kind of tragedy happens literally every day, but we only hear about this case because he was a famous athlete.