OT: Today is National Student Debt Day
http://www.politico.com/tipsheets/morning-education/2016/01/its-nationa…
Today is National Student Debt Day. A group of student debt activists are convening in DC to bring attention to the student debt crisis that America is facing.
Personally, I think this is really important and I believe student loans are a huge anchor weighing down the economy and I'm glad it's getting more attention. I wanted to see what MgoBoard thought. Discuss.
January 28th, 2016 at 1:58 PM ^
SALLIE MAE OUT OF NOWHERE
January 28th, 2016 at 1:52 PM ^
January 28th, 2016 at 1:53 PM ^
If you are going into debt to pay for college make sure you pick the right major. You aren't going to get a big time finance job with only a bachelors in psychology.
Engineering pays and not all "STEM" fields are the same, "TEM" degrees tend to pay more than "S" degrees.
http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-economic-guide-to-picking-a-college-major/
January 28th, 2016 at 2:45 PM ^
Those starting salaries aren't a whole lot more than when I graduated from engineering 25 years ago! We have concentrated wealth indeed...mostly into the damn financial institutions that pay our government to eliminate risk for them while hobbling the youth of America.
To the youngin's out there: the game is way more rigged than it used to be.
January 28th, 2016 at 2:04 PM ^
January 28th, 2016 at 1:55 PM ^
I'm glad this is getting attention AND being discussed here, but what I don't understand about this being a "crisis" is this: with programs like PYE/IBR in place (not to mention PSLF), why exactly are recent graduates so strapped? For a single person borrowing $100,000 and making around $60k their student loan payment would be $270/month (on PYE - which is what almost all new grads will be on) or $404/month (on IBR). That's a far cry from what old-timers (i.e. people who graduated before 2008 and couldn't consolidate into IBR/PYE-eligible loans) would have paid on the same debt to income ($989/month).
January 28th, 2016 at 2:28 PM ^
This only works for federal loans, right? My wife has about half her student debt in private loans and we're paying a lot per month.
January 28th, 2016 at 4:21 PM ^
I pay $1600 per month, the majority of which are private (but federally-backed) student loans. Why? Because the federal loans topped out at less than half of tuition alone when I went to grad school. And all of these great programs they've unveiled do nothing to help those of us paying higher interest rates from private lenders with more onerous terms than the federal loans (i.e., number of months you can be in forebearance, penalty provisions, etc.).
January 28th, 2016 at 4:33 PM ^
I hear ya. I was actually hoping someone would respond with "pssh, you are way wrong. Check out this link that will solve your problems."
January 28th, 2016 at 8:54 PM ^
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January 28th, 2016 at 1:55 PM ^
....check out SoFi and CommonBond. They have good options to reduce the interest. I utilized it a couple years ago - gonna save me a lot of money in the log run.
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January 28th, 2016 at 2:12 PM ^
Also Darien Rowayton Bank.
I shopped between all three and was able to use their offers against one another to get an even lower rate. Don't be afraid to haggle that rate lower (and get a sign-up bonus).
January 28th, 2016 at 1:55 PM ^
I graduated in the spring of 07 with a degree in visual communication, focused on video and photography. Took a low paying full time job with the company where I completed my internship after a short but fruitless job search. Started repaying my loans six months later. Then the recession hit my employer hard (we were real-estate focused). Hours got cut; I had to put my payments on forbearance, which cost me $100 every 3 months. Once I exhausted my forbearance, I made payments by charging my living expenses on credit. My $35k in student loan debt quickly turned into $42k (9% interest on my cosigned loan). Got a second job as a line cook; the restaurant closed down a year later. Sold my soul to go work for a big bank in order to repay my debt. Six years later, I'm out of the big bank, but not using my degree at all, and have consolidated my non-government (Sallie Mae) loans with Citizens One for a (relatively) very low rate, with no cost up front. I will pay them off (god willing and the creek don't rise) just before my oldest daughter graduates high school.
My advice: don't go to college without considering the alternatives and the cost involved, consolidate your debt as soon as you are able, find a mentor to help navigate the job market, and finally, don't get hung up on working at a place where you can utilize your degree. It's overrated and in my case, could not afford me the opportunity to own a home and raise a family. Good luck, young folks. It's only going to get harder and more expensive out there....
January 28th, 2016 at 1:57 PM ^
I have $100k myself that I will toast to!
January 28th, 2016 at 1:59 PM ^
You can play Teddy KGB heads-up for your debt.
January 28th, 2016 at 2:14 PM ^
January 28th, 2016 at 2:03 PM ^
Here's the deal. College tuition costs have increased by over 1,000 % in the last 40 years. Simlarly to the principle that everyone should own a house regardless of whether they can afford it, US government policy has intervened in the market for education with loans, grants, etc. to say everyone should be able to afford college. An institution is selling an education, and when the market's demand becomes inelastic the prices shoot up. Either your customers are rich kids whose parents will pay any outrageous amount, or your customers are typical kids with easy access to borrow money and pay, regardless of tuition rate.
Colleges aren't incentivized to offer the best education for the most affordable rate, because the market is not free to demand it.
January 28th, 2016 at 2:05 PM ^
If you go to college without an idea about what you want to do with your life, you shouldn't go to college. Figure that out first. You can have a social life without the tuition.
January 28th, 2016 at 2:32 PM ^
You are correct, sir. Translation: stop the government from messing in these sorts of markets otherwise they will keep creating bubbles that will crash and burn.
January 28th, 2016 at 2:01 PM ^
How exactly are student loans an anchor? I gotta hear this.
January 28th, 2016 at 2:06 PM ^
January 28th, 2016 at 2:10 PM ^
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January 28th, 2016 at 2:35 PM ^
Two options for you:
- don't go to college
- pay more per month
January 28th, 2016 at 2:39 PM ^
You're arguing that anyone who can't afford to go to school without some sort of governmental assistance should not, yes? Because at that point, you're saying that only the wealthiest quarter to half of the population should be eligible for college.
January 28th, 2016 at 2:46 PM ^
I believe people should go to college; however, it's not for anyone because it's difficult and expensive. I'm just saying that if you're willing to get a loan from a company to pay for your college, you should be willing to pay it in full (and if there is interest added, then that is the choice of the company/government).
I know paying student loans sucks, but as someone stated above, it's an investment. At some point it will pay off, but that is, of course, assuming you have a good job to pay for it. People should not be expected for their loan to just go away. Said people agreed to the terms of the loan upon receiving it. If the loan DOES get forgiven, then great (for that person), but no one should be expecting the balance to just go to zero at the snap of a finger. And as someone else stated...you (I don't mean you in particular) don't need cable. You don't need Internet access. You don't need to go out to dinner or a bar with your buddies every how often.
January 28th, 2016 at 3:06 PM ^
College is not the right place for everyone. But it is the right place for some people who don't have the means to pay for it.
I also view my student loans as an investment. Without them, I wouldn't be where I am today and I'm thankful that that opportunity was available to me, but just as I view student loans as an investment in myself, society at large can view subsidized education as an investment in an educated population, which will reap benefits for the economy as a whole. People shouldn't believe that their loans should go away because they are entitled to it (with exceptions of course, such as fradulent recruiting tactics), but if the entire country is better off in the long run wiping the slate clean and moving forward, then its something to consider.
January 28th, 2016 at 2:55 PM ^
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January 28th, 2016 at 3:10 PM ^
Well unfortunately, options are very limited and the two I listed are the most viable.
January 28th, 2016 at 3:16 PM ^
I went to undergrad and graduate school, and have worked hard to put myself in a position to pay back my student loan debt. But I can sympathize with people who are struggling to pay it back for whatever reason, whether it be having difficulty finding a job or experiencing something in their life that makes ever paying back their debt unlikely. I'd like to see these people get the help they need. The lack of sympathy for people who are struggling is baffling to me. You can tell them what they should've done after the fact or scoff at the positions they're in, but other than making you feel good about yourself, that's not helping anything at all.
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January 28th, 2016 at 3:24 PM ^
Well, yes. Get rid of stuff in your life you don't need.
I, too, symathize for others who struggle with student loan debt, but they agreed to take the loan and go to college. What can be fixed (and this likely won't ever happen) is lowering the cost of college.
January 28th, 2016 at 3:38 PM ^
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January 28th, 2016 at 3:29 PM ^
This idea that we new to save people from themselves and their foolish decisions is stupid.
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January 28th, 2016 at 3:36 PM ^
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January 28th, 2016 at 3:59 PM ^
THAT IS HOW LIFE IS, MAN.
Good lord.
January 28th, 2016 at 4:16 PM ^
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January 28th, 2016 at 7:46 PM ^
When it comes to a contract, no. Contracts are rarely just null and void. By agreeing to the loan, you're signing a contract. Don't expect someone to bail you out. Pay it. If you don't pay it, fine - take the hit on your credit score. It's your choice.
January 28th, 2016 at 8:45 PM ^
Never heard of bankruptcy, apparently...
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January 28th, 2016 at 3:38 PM ^
Well modern American society tells kids, especially smart UM-calibur students, to get an education. Sorry I didnt have my shit sorted out enough at age 18 to be like 'Years from now, I'll be paying too much of my monthly income in student loans, so nah I'm not gonna do it'. Especially after all of those teachers, parents, politicians and employers told us for years that if you want to succeed and live comfortably you need a college degree (more prestigious the better).
January 28th, 2016 at 3:28 PM ^
I really must visit Australia and discover this reality you're living in.
January 28th, 2016 at 4:00 PM ^
I now live in the USA.
January 28th, 2016 at 2:38 PM ^
And we've had them for quite awhile now. Maybe you shouldn't make just the minimum payments? How often do you eat out? How often do you go to the bar? Do you have cable?
Nearly everyone who complains about student loans are mostly complaining that they want other, more fun things. College is fun. you took someone else's money to have that fun and get an education. Eventually you have to pay your bill.
January 28th, 2016 at 2:39 PM ^
I wish I could give you more than one up vote.
January 28th, 2016 at 2:41 PM ^
But federal student loan rates aren't adjusted for the cost of borrowing: for grad school, they are 5.5% for stafford loans and 6.8% for plus loans. And those rates are set regardless of what interest rates are accross the board. And granted, those are lower than when I was in school 5 years ago, but not by a whole lot.
January 28th, 2016 at 2:47 PM ^
There was a push in the last Congress to do that, but it was blocked because the students are getting below market price right now. Only paying 5.5% on something with zero collateral is a pretty good deal.
January 28th, 2016 at 4:29 PM ^
True, they do not have any physical collateral. But it should also be taken into account that Federal loans can't be charged off in bankruptcy. So risk of nonrepayment is much lower.
January 28th, 2016 at 5:25 PM ^
You think it isn't?
January 28th, 2016 at 2:54 PM ^
I don't have a problem with needing to pay my bill. I also don't understand the negative attitude people seem to have with students who are in tough positions getting help.
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January 28th, 2016 at 3:42 PM ^
Tha's my point, homie. I make more than the monthly payments and I restrict my spending on other things. But guess I should just sit on the floor of an unfurnished apt and eat ramen noodles when Im not at work.
If our generation didnt have this unreasonable amount of debt we go to the bar more, go on trips, eat out more, buy things like houses, consumer goods, cars. And we could invest for the future. All of this would be GREAT for the economy.
To have a generation live frugally for decades because we went to college for 4 years is ridiculous. Its a drag on the economy.