Madonna

January 14th, 2016 at 5:15 AM ^

Truth are shaped by the facts, culture can only impact truth by relatively encouraging or discouraging the discovery of said facts and the critical analysis thereof. It is telling you started shouting at me about "forcing" things upon other people when all I have asked for is an honest discussion.

ijohnb

January 14th, 2016 at 7:14 AM ^

discussion is now taking place only in a hypothetical "philosophical" world where ideas are conflated with action. Madonna, what do you propose TO DO about the issues you are advancing. From a policy standpoint, clarify your position by setting forth how U.S. policy, foreign and domestic needs to change or adapt to address these issue. You have won the "argument" on the your terms, but since this discussion is remaining active, where do we go from here?

Madonna

January 13th, 2016 at 7:47 PM ^

I am using the common nomenclature. Some concerns relate to the Muslim world at large and others are specific to Arab culture. The fact you cite a YouTube video really says it all about the lack of intellectual seriousness in your rebuttal.

Madonna

January 14th, 2016 at 5:06 AM ^

Aslan is a professor of creative writing who masquerades as a an expert on religion. His ignorance can be summed up by his denial regarding the correlation between Islam and female genital mutilation. Here is what an anthropologist at Ocford determined: https://whyevolutionistrue.wordpress.com/2014/10/18/guest-post-the-rela… Calling me a "troll" just shows you have no interest in critical though on this subject.

Madonna

January 13th, 2016 at 4:38 PM ^

Yes, before that war began and when it ends, the massive problem of the majority of the population (women + LGBT persons) being denied equality and opportunity will remain. I guess you missed the part where one of the most grievous crimes committed by ISIS is the mass rape and literal enslavement on women and the execution of gay men by throwing them off high buildings.

SalvatoreQuattro

January 13th, 2016 at 4:55 PM ^

Unlike you, I mourn the deaths and mlstreatement of all involved, not just subgroups.

 

DO you honestly believe that straight men were also not subjected to persecution before this war? Do you really believe that women and LGBT are the ONLY ones to be subjected to oppression?

 

Yes, what ISIS is doing to gays and woman is heinous. It's one reason why they need to be crushed. But it's not the only one.

The world is bigger than you and your narrow concerns.

Madonna

January 13th, 2016 at 8:26 PM ^

Nothing I wrote suggests I don't recognize the injustices heteronormative men face from oppressive regimes or fail to be saddened by the sense death.  You choose to take my comments in that disingenuous vein because it obviously discomforts many to be reminded that most societies are built to service the status of a minority.

If I wrote something identical about whites in the U.S. almost no oen but actual racists would really object, but when I do it for women and LGBT people, even supposed supporters of equality and universal human rights, suddenly get upset.  That disconnect is exactly what I intend to elucidate, however unpopular my views are.

03 Blue 07

January 13th, 2016 at 5:24 PM ^

Both set of issues are important, and both sexism/terrible treatment of LGBT community, as well as mass murder of innocent lives, are worthy and valid issues which were, are, and will continue to be pressing concerns in the region.

However...one is worse than the other. Murder is worse than discrimination, beating, false imprisonment, etc. (generally speaking here). You have to, you  know, actually be a living human being to experience discrimination, beating, false imprisonment, whereas murder takes your entire existence from you. The other problems you mention w/r/t to the LGBT community and women, while also unspeakably awful, take something less from a person than their very existence. I'd rather lose my dignity/be discriminated against/be treated terribly/be false imprisoned... but keep my life/existence on this earth, personally, if given the choice; I think most human beings would agree. (Obviously, of course, I'm not saying any of these is a good choice, and in fact I'm saying they are all morally repugnant...just that one-- murder-- is worse than the others; our penal code in the U.S. reflects this, as it does in most industrialized nations. That's why murder carries the highest sentence). 

Wolverine Devotee

January 13th, 2016 at 5:03 PM ^

Doesn't matter if you vote red or blue, either you look at it you lose. 

Come call me when the TV networks cover more than just the blue or red gangs seriously.

Also, it's funny how you dismiss my thoughts even though I have the right to vote just as you do. Don't worry though, it's going to take a completely different electorial system for me to ever vote. 

bgoblue02

January 13th, 2016 at 5:21 PM ^

of the internet and social media everything you need about and candidate is out there and using a cop out like the TV networks didn't give me a third option is just kind of silly. 

I don't think anyone is dismissing your thoughts; but frankly voting takes 15 minutes.  Saying your vote doesn't matter or doesn't count is just silly and wrong.  The non-voting population could easily decide every election ever if they actually just voted.  

If you don't like either of the candidates than write in someone.  You won't see any real change until above 50-60% of the population voted.  If we had 100% participation and only 60% went with a named candidate you would say a major change in candidates.   Or vote against what your area is; if you live in a republican area vote democrat and vice versa; it won't change that election but it will show future candidates where there might be weakness.  If we just stopped voting for incumbents and actually voted people and AND out of office it would be a different story all together.  

 

Former_DC_Buck

January 14th, 2016 at 9:00 AM ^

Kind of glad about that. Doesn't cancel my vote out. And while it usually isn't close in presidental elections, where I live several school districts around us and my own have come down to one or two votes. Ours in 2010 passed by two votes. A neighboring district failed when it tied. http://www.10tv.com/content/stories/2010/11/30/story-amanda-clearcreek-…

SalvatoreQuattro

January 13th, 2016 at 3:50 PM ^

O the 1824 election.

 

 In 1876 the Democrats LET the Republicans take the White House in exchange for the Republicans letting the South re-impose white supremacy on blacks. One of the many charming tales of American history that is rarely discussed.

 

 

jmblue

January 13th, 2016 at 3:58 PM ^

Even in 2000, most individual states weren't seriously in play.  That probably discourages turnout.  If you're a member of the minority party in your state, you may not feel very motivated to wait in line and vote for a candidate whom you know won't carry the state.

 

 

 

 

 

SalvatoreQuattro

January 13th, 2016 at 4:50 PM ^

Not when Leftists dominate the media, academia, and the entertainment. Not when universities are indoctrination centers. Not when documentaries are seen as "the truth" rather than the biased and manipulative mediums that they are.. Not when blaming the rich and corporations sells books, documentaries and wins votes.Too much is be gained in power and financially to not to appeal to the prejudices of people.

If you consider the fact that the Left has honed and develop political manipulation techniques and tactics for well over a century it then ought to occur to a person who possess a sovereign mind that this concept is part of the ongoing propaganda campaign.

Not that the Right doesn't do any of this. They do. But the Left is especially capable at this. So much so that the Nazis(who were superb themselves at this) openly borrowed from them.

The lesson, kids, is that politics are one big game of deceit and manipulation. Always has been. Always will be.

ijohnb

January 13th, 2016 at 4:58 PM ^

you considered that "the left" and "the right" are actually illusory distinctions perpetuated to both divide the population and create the illusion of choice? it would seem that that kind of compartmentalization results in the exact kind of political subversion advanced by the theory of inverted totalitarianism.

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SalvatoreQuattro

January 13th, 2016 at 5:04 PM ^

That the country is fundamentally more divided than we wish to admit?

The reality is that human beings are a naturally divided race. We see and understand the world differently. It's an naturally occurring trait of humans that emanates from our different experiences and how we react to them.Because our experiences are different and because we are temperamentally different our intellectual and emotional responses to events differ.

The Left-Right paradigm in American political terms is very real. It's origins-philosophically-speaking--is most often assigned to Thomas Paine and Edmund Burke, two very real and very influential men. 

Democracies are forever sweating under the Damocles Sword of disunion because of Man's inclination towards wildly divergent points of view.

Madonna

January 14th, 2016 at 5:28 AM ^

The irony is that although you jumped down my throat I agree with what you wrote here and respect your overall critically-minded approach to issues. The reason I am so hard on the liberal-left from a liberal-left standpoint is because of the double-standards and manipulation that runs rampant. I'm not trying to turn it into an indentity politics contests but rather point out how they fail to even be consistent with their professed approach by abandoning women and LGBT people (and Asians as I could have added on a personal note) when it suits political ends.