Brodie

November 30th, 2014 at 1:50 PM ^

Les Miles is 62 fucking years old

are you people insane?

I mean fuck, let's just hire Mack fucking Brown if we're considering geriatics who will either retire in 5 years or go full Paterno... I mean, he's only slightly older and actually has experience rebuilding programs unlike Les!

Brodie

November 30th, 2014 at 4:02 PM ^

I wouldn't hire Saban, no. I think at there'd be an adjustment period of two-three years followed by two-three years of success and then we'd be right back where we are today without more than a few B1G division/conference titles to show for it.

I think the ship sailed for Les when we didn't call him in 2011. At 57, he'd have had a decade to rebuild this program. At 61, he's got 5 or 6 years tops.

Brodie

November 30th, 2014 at 2:01 PM ^

Enjoy your 5 years of Les Miles, in the twilight of his career, with Cam Cameron at OC and none of those real badass Louisiana hometown kids that he can oversign like a boss or that Chavis defense.

I'd like to find a coach who can win here for an extended period. Not a rent a coach with a track record of acting like an idiot and questionable recruiting practices. But I guess as long as you flash that Michigan diploma and the natty championship ring, you can get people to overlook basically anything.

Brodie

November 30th, 2014 at 2:15 PM ^

I'll bet when LSU hired Les Miles and his 28-21 record at OSU there was probably a delusional Tigers fan saying the same thing. People here don't really seem to get how coaching hires happen, it's almost surreal. Guy who is 42 and has turned Mississippi State around is usually a good thing, guy who is in his 60's and likely to graduate a single recruiting class is usually a bad thing.

The irony of ironies is that people basically take Brian's analysis as gospel and yet everything he has written going back 4 years now supports my strong take over yours.

Stringer Bell

November 30th, 2014 at 2:32 PM ^

5 years of the same 7 or 8 win records, followed by a massive spike in year 6, is more indicative of a fluke then anything else. Similar to Manginos 12 win season at Kansas. Sorry if I want the proven commodity as opposed to the guy who's just as likely to flame out as he is to thrive here.

Brodie

November 30th, 2014 at 4:09 PM ^

You have no idea if Les is likely to thrive or flame out. When Oklahoma hired Schnellenberger, they thought they were getting a proven commodity too and he flamed out and quit after one season. Even Jim Harbaugh only has the one 10 win season as a college coach and yet we were salivating for him in 2011. Those Urban Meyer/Nick Saban absolute home runs almost never happen... show me a legendary head coach and I'll show you a guy whose resume was no better than Mullen's before he landed the big job.

Mullen's record is only unimpressive if you ignore any and all context around MSSU. They are a terrible program. 8 wins is about as good as anyone can expect to do there on a regular basis. Mississippi is a talent barren state surrounded by power programs on all sides and MSSU is the little brother (arguably behind Southern Miss even).

FGB

November 30th, 2014 at 5:50 PM ^

The stuff about Brian's stance is funny, because this coming week I guarantee we face a front page post, whether in a mail bag or UV or whatever, that reiterates all his hatreds for Miles. And I bet the tune of the board changes a bit.

I actually don't agree that Miles would be a bad hire in terms of on field success, getting the program turned in the right direction over the next 5 years has a ton of value for the subsequent hire, BUT I wouldn't want to hire Les anyway based simply on the fact he's a giant dickbag. 

There are probably literally 20 people in HC or coordinator positions who could take MICH's talent and turn it in to a 9-win team next year.  No idea if we'll actually hire one of them and obviously identifying those individuals is the real key, but things aren't as dire as "If not Harbaugh, then Miles, then nothing."

 

 

Brodie

November 30th, 2014 at 6:44 PM ^

I think you'll remember the 2011 search which had a similar rush of support for Les as people got desperate post-Harbaugh... at the time I was supporting PatFitz (lololol) and believe Brian was as well. This time around, though... I think maybe Brian will shock us both and do a "sure, fine, whatever, just win plz" take on Les this coming week.

I agree, my objections to Les are primarily based on my personal dislike for him. I think him being old makes those problems more severe (plus I have a nasty feeling he'd retain Nuss if he didn't bring Cam Cameron), but even 4 years ago I was firmly "anyone but Les"

ih8losing

November 30th, 2014 at 7:20 PM ^

Who's your choice then? we all want a winner, a provem one. We want a Michigan defense and an offense to go along with It. We want high academic standards and young men of high character but we also want fast and strong players. We want a coach who will put Sparty in their place and make The Game one of national relevance once again. We want a coaching staff who can recruit anf develop talent to win in college and represent Michigan on Sundays. We want this new hire to be a splash but one that unites Michigan. On top of all of that, you also want is coach go be here for the next 15 years. Question remains, who exactly is a coach that you think would meet some of this criteria, and better yet, one that would realistically consider coming to Michigan?

My choice would for sure be Jim Harbaugh, but Les Miles would not be a bad hire. Bad hire would be Schiano. 

ghostofhoke

November 30th, 2014 at 2:02 PM ^

Ain't that the truth. This can't possibly go well simply for this fact. Even if we get Harbaugh and he doesn't part Lake Michigan on his way to AA it's going to be a disappointment. I don't even want to think about what will happen if we can't land him or Miles



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APBlue

November 30th, 2014 at 1:10 PM ^

The Tampa Bay Bucs traded for Gruden years ago.  Word is that the Browns tried to trade for Harbaugh last year, but Harbaugh wasn't interested in the Browns.  

Throw in the Clippers trade for Doc Rivers and coaches being traded isn't all that uncommon.  Proven commodities are still proven.  

APBlue

November 30th, 2014 at 1:35 PM ^

Here's the link re: the Gruden trade: http://articles.latimes.com/2002/feb/19/sports/sp-gruden19

(2) first rounders and (2) second rounders, plus $8M.  

And according to this link: http://www.si.com/nfl/audibles/2014/02/21/jim-harbaugh-trade-cleveland-brownsHarbaugh would have netted multiple draft picks including at least one of, if not both, the Brown's first round picks from this year.  

Ben v2

November 30th, 2014 at 1:04 PM ^

Adam Schefter, a loyal U of M alum, has always been reluctant to discuss Harbaugh to UM rumors.  I suspect that he doesn't want to impact the search in one way or another, and end up pulling a "Desmond Howard 2007" debacle.  Schefter reported these stories to keep the heat of his own ass.

 

Brodie

November 30th, 2014 at 1:39 PM ^

Bacon and Webb are not insiders and neither have claimed to KNOW those things. Both go to great lengths to make clear that those are their opinions. It doesn't take a genius to say Harbaugh is our number one target.

Don't you think anyone anywhere in the NFL echo chamber would have heard if Jim Harbaugh was signed, sealed and delivered to Michigan already? Stop the selective reading of "inside" info and just accept that JH may not happen. Stop the Harbaugh or bust shit.

Brodie

November 30th, 2014 at 1:31 PM ^

and your every post is "HARBAUGH IS TOTES HAPPENING I HEARD IT FROM MY SISTER'S FRIEND'S UNCLE'S SON WHO HEARD IT FROM SOMEONE WHO WENT TO SCHOOL AT MICHIGAN 10 YEARS AFTER JIM GRADUATED SO IT'S WAY MORE LEGIT THAN A KEYED IN NFL REPORTER LIKE SCHEFTER OR JOHN CLAYTON"

there is nobody outside of our fanbase who is actually reporting that Harbaugh is possible. Virtually everyone expects him to be on an NFL sideline next fall except for posters here, who decided 6 weeks ago that it HAD to be him and will burn the University down when he says "no thanks"

Stringer Bell

November 30th, 2014 at 1:50 PM ^

My family has attended the University of Michigan for several generations and has been donating to the unviersity for many years, so yes the information we get is totally equivalent to what you posted.  So on that note, nowhere do I see Schefter say UM isn't a possibility.  He's saying that the Raiders or Jets are interested in trading for Harbaugh.   Last I checked, UM can't trade for Harbaugh.  Maybe the rules have changed and I didn't get the memo.

 

I get it dude, you're the type of guy that uses pessimism as a shield, that way you're never let down.  

Brodie

November 30th, 2014 at 2:08 PM ^

Lots of posters here have family ties to the school going back generations, most of us went there, all of us "hear things". Some posters here have heard the same things as me, some have heard very, very different things. Which should give you a really great indication of how much stock you should place in the "alumni rumor mill".

Schefter went all in on Harbaugh to Michigan in 2010. If he believed it was likely now, why would he not report that again? I mean, he's probably more keyed in on the rumors out of AA than either of us could ever hope to be.

JamieH

November 30th, 2014 at 4:36 PM ^

Schefter wouldn't be reporting on rumors on Harbaugh to Michigan because, as of right now, Michgian still has a head coach.  It would be somewhat douchy to report on Harbaugh to Michigan rumors before Hoke has even been fired.

 

Let's wait until Hoke gets let go to see what rumors start flying.

Brodie

November 30th, 2014 at 3:00 PM ^

oh and btw, I'm not a pessimist. I'm a realist when it comes to Harbaugh, and I'd rather see Michigan hire a young coach like Mullen than take a punt on a past his prime Miles just so we can flaunt his 8 year old national title to Buckeye fans, But I don't think the sky is falling at all. I think a guy like Mullen could win here, I think a guy like McElwain could win here, I even think a guy like Tom Hermon could win here.

I'm mostly just concerned with talking ourselves into Harbaugh to such a degree that him not coming poisons the chalice for the next guy, who I'm willing to bet would not have that Les Miles .800 winning percentage to fall back on. I think that was a big problem for RichRod, no matter what his resume looked like he was never going to be what Les was throughout the fall of 2007.