Latest ESPN Harbaugh article. Possible trade to Raiders or Jets
November 30th, 2014 at 1:38 PM ^
November 30th, 2014 at 1:50 PM ^
Les Miles is 62 fucking years old
are you people insane?
I mean fuck, let's just hire Mack fucking Brown if we're considering geriatics who will either retire in 5 years or go full Paterno... I mean, he's only slightly older and actually has experience rebuilding programs unlike Les!
November 30th, 2014 at 3:10 PM ^
November 30th, 2014 at 4:02 PM ^
I wouldn't hire Saban, no. I think at there'd be an adjustment period of two-three years followed by two-three years of success and then we'd be right back where we are today without more than a few B1G division/conference titles to show for it.
I think the ship sailed for Les when we didn't call him in 2011. At 57, he'd have had a decade to rebuild this program. At 61, he's got 5 or 6 years tops.
November 30th, 2014 at 4:29 PM ^
Saban has a way better record/reputation in the SEC than Miles. With that said, I wouldn't be disappointed if he was the guy if Harbaugh said no, but I wouldn't be thrilled either.
November 30th, 2014 at 1:53 PM ^
Are you dumb? Does Mullen have a natty and an .800 winning percentage in the SEC? Miles is 100x the coach Mullen is.
November 30th, 2014 at 2:01 PM ^
Enjoy your 5 years of Les Miles, in the twilight of his career, with Cam Cameron at OC and none of those real badass Louisiana hometown kids that he can oversign like a boss or that Chavis defense.
I'd like to find a coach who can win here for an extended period. Not a rent a coach with a track record of acting like an idiot and questionable recruiting practices. But I guess as long as you flash that Michigan diploma and the natty championship ring, you can get people to overlook basically anything.
November 30th, 2014 at 2:06 PM ^
Awesome, and enjoy many 7-8 win seasons with Dan Mullen.
November 30th, 2014 at 2:15 PM ^
I'll bet when LSU hired Les Miles and his 28-21 record at OSU there was probably a delusional Tigers fan saying the same thing. People here don't really seem to get how coaching hires happen, it's almost surreal. Guy who is 42 and has turned Mississippi State around is usually a good thing, guy who is in his 60's and likely to graduate a single recruiting class is usually a bad thing.
The irony of ironies is that people basically take Brian's analysis as gospel and yet everything he has written going back 4 years now supports my strong take over yours.
November 30th, 2014 at 2:32 PM ^
November 30th, 2014 at 4:09 PM ^
You have no idea if Les is likely to thrive or flame out. When Oklahoma hired Schnellenberger, they thought they were getting a proven commodity too and he flamed out and quit after one season. Even Jim Harbaugh only has the one 10 win season as a college coach and yet we were salivating for him in 2011. Those Urban Meyer/Nick Saban absolute home runs almost never happen... show me a legendary head coach and I'll show you a guy whose resume was no better than Mullen's before he landed the big job.
Mullen's record is only unimpressive if you ignore any and all context around MSSU. They are a terrible program. 8 wins is about as good as anyone can expect to do there on a regular basis. Mississippi is a talent barren state surrounded by power programs on all sides and MSSU is the little brother (arguably behind Southern Miss even).
November 30th, 2014 at 5:50 PM ^
The stuff about Brian's stance is funny, because this coming week I guarantee we face a front page post, whether in a mail bag or UV or whatever, that reiterates all his hatreds for Miles. And I bet the tune of the board changes a bit.
I actually don't agree that Miles would be a bad hire in terms of on field success, getting the program turned in the right direction over the next 5 years has a ton of value for the subsequent hire, BUT I wouldn't want to hire Les anyway based simply on the fact he's a giant dickbag.
There are probably literally 20 people in HC or coordinator positions who could take MICH's talent and turn it in to a 9-win team next year. No idea if we'll actually hire one of them and obviously identifying those individuals is the real key, but things aren't as dire as "If not Harbaugh, then Miles, then nothing."
November 30th, 2014 at 6:44 PM ^
I think you'll remember the 2011 search which had a similar rush of support for Les as people got desperate post-Harbaugh... at the time I was supporting PatFitz (lololol) and believe Brian was as well. This time around, though... I think maybe Brian will shock us both and do a "sure, fine, whatever, just win plz" take on Les this coming week.
I agree, my objections to Les are primarily based on my personal dislike for him. I think him being old makes those problems more severe (plus I have a nasty feeling he'd retain Nuss if he didn't bring Cam Cameron), but even 4 years ago I was firmly "anyone but Les"
November 30th, 2014 at 7:20 PM ^
Who's your choice then? we all want a winner, a provem one. We want a Michigan defense and an offense to go along with It. We want high academic standards and young men of high character but we also want fast and strong players. We want a coach who will put Sparty in their place and make The Game one of national relevance once again. We want a coaching staff who can recruit anf develop talent to win in college and represent Michigan on Sundays. We want this new hire to be a splash but one that unites Michigan. On top of all of that, you also want is coach go be here for the next 15 years. Question remains, who exactly is a coach that you think would meet some of this criteria, and better yet, one that would realistically consider coming to Michigan?
My choice would for sure be Jim Harbaugh, but Les Miles would not be a bad hire. Bad hire would be Schiano.
November 30th, 2014 at 7:23 PM ^
Harbaugh
Mullen
McElwain
In that order ahead of Les.
November 30th, 2014 at 7:51 PM ^
I like the list but I just dont see JH leaving the NFL and Dan Mullen leaving the SEC. McElwain intrigues me
November 30th, 2014 at 7:55 PM ^
McElwain is Hoke 2.0.
November 30th, 2014 at 10:36 PM ^
not every successful coach in the Mountain West is Hoke 2.0
Miles has waaaaaay more in common with Hoke than McElwain does
November 30th, 2014 at 4:31 PM ^
What Dan Mullen accomplished this year at a traditional losing power was almost as impressive as a coach winning a title at a loaded team with winning tradition. It is stupid to compare their resumes without proper context.
November 30th, 2014 at 1:07 PM ^
I will detonate if we miss on both JH and Les. I'd be happy enough with Les.
November 30th, 2014 at 2:02 PM ^
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November 30th, 2014 at 3:05 PM ^
November 30th, 2014 at 1:02 PM ^
November 30th, 2014 at 1:10 PM ^
The Tampa Bay Bucs traded for Gruden years ago. Word is that the Browns tried to trade for Harbaugh last year, but Harbaugh wasn't interested in the Browns.
Throw in the Clippers trade for Doc Rivers and coaches being traded isn't all that uncommon. Proven commodities are still proven.
November 30th, 2014 at 1:23 PM ^
November 30th, 2014 at 1:25 PM ^
The Bucs traded like 2 first round picks and $8 million 2002 dollars for Gruden.
November 30th, 2014 at 1:35 PM ^
Here's the link re: the Gruden trade: http://articles.latimes.com/2002/feb/19/sports/sp-gruden19
(2) first rounders and (2) second rounders, plus $8M.
And according to this link: http://www.si.com/nfl/audibles/2014/02/21/jim-harbaugh-trade-cleveland-browns, Harbaugh would have netted multiple draft picks including at least one of, if not both, the Brown's first round picks from this year.
November 30th, 2014 at 1:28 PM ^
Harbaugh wasn't interested? All reports were that Harbaugh initiated the talks; the Browns weren't willing to give the 49ers enough to complete the trade.
November 30th, 2014 at 1:37 PM ^
"All reports were that Harbaugh initiated the talks." Really? Not according to this report:
http://www.si.com/nfl/audibles/2014/02/21/jim-harbaugh-trade-cleveland-browns
November 30th, 2014 at 1:21 PM ^
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November 30th, 2014 at 1:04 PM ^
Adam Schefter, a loyal U of M alum, has always been reluctant to discuss Harbaugh to UM rumors. I suspect that he doesn't want to impact the search in one way or another, and end up pulling a "Desmond Howard 2007" debacle. Schefter reported these stories to keep the heat of his own ass.
November 30th, 2014 at 1:08 PM ^
Not really true/ He was one of the only guys reporting "I'm hearing Michigan" when asked where Harbaugh would end up last time. This just isn't happening guys.
November 30th, 2014 at 1:14 PM ^
Holy shit, every single post of yours is "Harbaugh isn't happening".
Your crystal ball must be a lot clearer than everyone else's, or you've had a conversation with Jim lately.
November 30th, 2014 at 1:29 PM ^
Sorry. I just don't see it given what we know. We look foolish in saying it like it is a real possiblity.
November 30th, 2014 at 1:33 PM ^
So even though insiders like Bacon and Webb have said that Harbaugh is interested, and that he's Hackett's #1 choice, we look foolish for saying that it's a possiblity? You're the one that looks foolish for saying that there's no chance.
November 30th, 2014 at 1:39 PM ^
Bacon and Webb are not insiders and neither have claimed to KNOW those things. Both go to great lengths to make clear that those are their opinions. It doesn't take a genius to say Harbaugh is our number one target.
Don't you think anyone anywhere in the NFL echo chamber would have heard if Jim Harbaugh was signed, sealed and delivered to Michigan already? Stop the selective reading of "inside" info and just accept that JH may not happen. Stop the Harbaugh or bust shit.
November 30th, 2014 at 1:51 PM ^
Will you please stop putting words in my mouth? Where did I say that Harbaugh is "signed, sealed, delivered"? I said he's a possiblity, a lot of people are saying he's a possiblity. Literally no one has said he's a sure thing.
November 30th, 2014 at 2:03 PM ^
the speculation that Harbaugh has a deal in place already is literally all over this board.
November 30th, 2014 at 2:07 PM ^
Well you're seeing something I'm not. I don't see anyone claiming he's a done deal.
November 30th, 2014 at 4:34 PM ^
Yeah, what a leap of logic to assume a guy would choose Michigan, where he has legacy ties, over two tire fire franchises like the Raiders and Jets. My worry is that our department doesn't do enough to land Harbaugh, not that he isn't at least a bit interested.
November 30th, 2014 at 1:31 PM ^
and your every post is "HARBAUGH IS TOTES HAPPENING I HEARD IT FROM MY SISTER'S FRIEND'S UNCLE'S SON WHO HEARD IT FROM SOMEONE WHO WENT TO SCHOOL AT MICHIGAN 10 YEARS AFTER JIM GRADUATED SO IT'S WAY MORE LEGIT THAN A KEYED IN NFL REPORTER LIKE SCHEFTER OR JOHN CLAYTON"
there is nobody outside of our fanbase who is actually reporting that Harbaugh is possible. Virtually everyone expects him to be on an NFL sideline next fall except for posters here, who decided 6 weeks ago that it HAD to be him and will burn the University down when he says "no thanks"
November 30th, 2014 at 1:36 PM ^
Really? I'd love for you to point out where I posted something like that.
"There is nobody outside of our fanbase who is actually reporting that Harbaugh is possible". Yeah, you really haven't been paying attention then, have you?
November 30th, 2014 at 1:45 PM ^
ALUMS TALK. THE ANN ARBOR RUMOR MILL SAYS. that is all I ever see from you
cite one article or report from someone who isn't either a Michigan fan or employed to cover Michigan athletics that mentions Harbaugh as anything more than a pipe dream.
November 30th, 2014 at 1:50 PM ^
My family has attended the University of Michigan for several generations and has been donating to the unviersity for many years, so yes the information we get is totally equivalent to what you posted. So on that note, nowhere do I see Schefter say UM isn't a possibility. He's saying that the Raiders or Jets are interested in trading for Harbaugh. Last I checked, UM can't trade for Harbaugh. Maybe the rules have changed and I didn't get the memo.
I get it dude, you're the type of guy that uses pessimism as a shield, that way you're never let down.
November 30th, 2014 at 2:08 PM ^
Lots of posters here have family ties to the school going back generations, most of us went there, all of us "hear things". Some posters here have heard the same things as me, some have heard very, very different things. Which should give you a really great indication of how much stock you should place in the "alumni rumor mill".
Schefter went all in on Harbaugh to Michigan in 2010. If he believed it was likely now, why would he not report that again? I mean, he's probably more keyed in on the rumors out of AA than either of us could ever hope to be.
November 30th, 2014 at 2:37 PM ^
November 30th, 2014 at 4:36 PM ^
Schefter wouldn't be reporting on rumors on Harbaugh to Michigan because, as of right now, Michgian still has a head coach. It would be somewhat douchy to report on Harbaugh to Michigan rumors before Hoke has even been fired.
Let's wait until Hoke gets let go to see what rumors start flying.
November 30th, 2014 at 3:00 PM ^
oh and btw, I'm not a pessimist. I'm a realist when it comes to Harbaugh, and I'd rather see Michigan hire a young coach like Mullen than take a punt on a past his prime Miles just so we can flaunt his 8 year old national title to Buckeye fans, But I don't think the sky is falling at all. I think a guy like Mullen could win here, I think a guy like McElwain could win here, I even think a guy like Tom Hermon could win here.
I'm mostly just concerned with talking ourselves into Harbaugh to such a degree that him not coming poisons the chalice for the next guy, who I'm willing to bet would not have that Les Miles .800 winning percentage to fall back on. I think that was a big problem for RichRod, no matter what his resume looked like he was never going to be what Les was throughout the fall of 2007.
November 30th, 2014 at 3:46 PM ^
Well that we can agree on. Whoever does come here needs to have 100% support from all parties involved.
November 30th, 2014 at 4:52 PM ^