This Week's Obsession: Best O? Comment Count

Seth

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Shane's not Gardner enough to be worth changing the offense to take better advantage of his legs, but the offense might be? [Upchurch]

Ace: What type of offense do you want M's coach to run next year? Explain how you're factoring current personnel vs. ideal scheme when coming to your decision as well, if you could.

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Brian: Whatever the coach is good at. This was the right move for Rodriguez in 2007 when there wasn't much talent no matter what you did with it. It was not in 2011 when you had a sui generis talent like Denard at your disposal. 2011 Michigan fought it at times (Notre Dame, Iowa) but for the most part shrugged and tried to adapt.

I'm not seeing a whole lot that's worth adapting to at the moment. Morris looks far away from viability, Speight's a redshirting unknown, and Malzone will be a true freshman (unless he decommits). The OL is going to be the OL still, and the main distinction between OLs is what you try to run a lot of, not whether there's a fast QB behind you or a slow one.

So, yeah, whatever your bag is, man. Obviously you can't run a spread 'n' shred with the available personnel but you've got enough mobility in the QBs to keep 'em honest Forcier-style if that is your bag, and as Mississippi State and Ohio State have demonstrated in recent years there's quite a lot of power in spread offenses that want to go that route.

And unless it's Harbaugh it's likely to be a spread guy. Broken record time: pro-style coaches attractive enough to get the job and poachable are hard to find.

[After the jump: sirens]

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Seth: Before formulating a plan, let's list our assets. Shane is adaptable, Speight's a big gunner, Malzone is a proto-Brees. The OL are already okay at pass pro, are still working toward decent as run blockers, and possess a surprising amount of experience for all that eligibility remaining . The WRs are mostly of a type of leapy/ strong/ handsy/ brainy/ not-fast variety. There are running backs with lots of stars who at times can't tell their blockers' asses from a hole in the line. There's a spectrum of tight ends and fullbacks, only one of whom to date has materialized as any kind of threat.
The last vestige of Rodriguez graduates with Gardner. So for the first time since 2000, I'm not advocating a spread-to-run scheme. I'm advocating…

AIR RAAAAAAAAAAAAAAID!

IE a shotgun four-wide, hyperspeed, option-route, spread-the-OL, Mike Leach go-deep-a-ganza, except with the modern innovation of slot receivers with funny names you can deploy in lieu of a running game. I would not demand the offensive coordinator dress and speak like a pirate, but it is encouraged.

A major drag for Michigan the last four years has been offense conceptually predicated on running the ball, combined with an inability to do so. The Borgesian OL are not agile enough to be good zone blockers, but transitioning back to the manbraw they were recruited for would waste all the gains made this season. Keep IZ, but it won't work as the focus of the offense.

The receivers Borges recruited also lack the shake or speed for a Notre Dame drag-n-drop or West Coast (route timing) offense, except Norfleet. He's your "Percy" or "H-receiver" or whatever Urban calls his option-route underneath weapon nowadays, with Canteen as his understudy. Darboh/Chesson/Harris/Ways/Jones/Dukes would be given a crash course in route-stemming, and rotated constantly so there's always fresh legs threatening all four deep lanes. The catch-blocky types can focus on red zone stuff; Butt and Bunting and Chris Clark (if he sticks) at least have roles as Flex-TEs.

Despite technically being the best fit for (most of) Michigan's talent, Air Raid isn't an overnight installation. Simple break-off option routes would come first, with the real advanced stemming perhaps not ready to come online until Morris is a senior.

The upside is it works long-term, since these skills are the same that modern pro passing games are built on. Like it has with basketball, Michigan would be ideally suited as a system program, as opposed to another Jones. It would have us recruiting and developing a certain type of super-smart/super-athletic player, accepting of a longer development path.* The program could build its reputation by churning out NFL QBs and WRs, while moving from the stone age to the cutting edge of offensive technology. It would be highly fun, and also take advantage of the limited athleticism of the defensive players Big Ten schools are generally able to recruit these days.

Downside: variable weather conditions in the autumnal Midwest are not kind to passing spreads.

* Yes I know Beilein's last five teams have all been really young, but only because a string of his sophomores and juniors far outperformed their recruiting expectations and left for the NBA. Football would welcome this problem.

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Adam: I want an offense that doesn't look at 1:30 left on the clock and say A) that's not nearly enough time to score and B) we almost blew it last time we had the ball so let's just run the clock down and head for the locker room.

I want an offense that passes to run, not runs to pass. I want an offense that appreciates "three yards and a cloud of dust" for what it was but feels the way I do about the embroidered Batman: The Animated Series sweatshirts I wore when I was young; fine for the time, not such a good look now.

Ideally I'd like Michigan to run an offense their coaching staff is proficient in that doesn't feel like it came from a well-worn copy of "Offensive Football Strategies" somebody found deep in the stacks at the grad library.

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Do your thing, but let the OL zone block since they spent all of this year becoming not terrible at that. [Fuller]

I don't think my demands are that difficult to achieve with the personnel Michigan already has. Moving from a pro-style to hybrid offense seems like enough of a change to improve offensive output but not so much that there would be a multi-season development curve. I hope whatever type of offense the new coaching staff brings ditches the huddle, utilizes the read option occasionally, and passes first.

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Ace: There's really just one thing I definitely want to see next season, and that's a continuation of the zone emphasis in the running game, something that shouldn't be hard to maintain under a new staff; I'm not sure I can watch another season of the offensive line mostly trying to figure out which guys they should block. If Michigan keeps things relatively simple up front, the line should take another step forward, and suddenly there's a passable group with some experience paving the way. That sounds better than what they've been working with, IMHO.

The good news for the next HC/OC is that Michigan's available personnel should be able to adapt to just about any general scheme, save the Rodriguez spread-and-shred and the Holgorsen short-passes-to-slot-darters spread. The wide array of fullbacks and tight ends would be an asset if Jim Harbaugh comes in with something like his Stanford offense; the deep group of talented receivers—I have high hopes for the trio from the class of '14—would work fine in a spread, especially if the coach is inclined to use living matchup problems like Jake Butt and Ian Bunting as slot receivers. I'm not so much worried about running back scheme fit; if the line blocks, they'll get their yards. As for the quarterbacks, Morris has enough mobility to mix in some keepers if that's in the gameplan.

The stuff I want to see isn't so much macro schematic as micro—give me some packaged plays, give me a coach with a strong handle on constraint theory, give me someone who will see the 6'5" Minitron galloping past defensive backs and perhaps throw the ball deep to him more than once a game. Have a scheme, stick to its core principles, and utilize the available personnel. The rest should work itself out.

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BiSB: I will preface this by saying that I don't care. At all. If the new guy comes in and runs a Single Wing or a Wishbone, but Michigan moves the ball and scores points and wins games, FINE BY ME. The only thing I ask is for a coherent offense built around something that works.

Short term, I'd like to see some sort of a modern spread-to-pass setup. I wouldn't go so far as Seth as to advocate the full-on Mike Leachification of the offense, but there is nothing wrong with basing an offense around something that isn't either (a) MANBALL SMASH, or (b) the zone read option.  Just look at what Ohio State did with Kenny Guiton: spread the formation, put pressure on defensive backs to make reads and decisions, force linebackers into awkward spots, and make reads easier by forcing the defense to declare its intentions pre-snap. Mix in some of what Auburn does with their running game (given Michigan's plethora of H-back types), and you're in business.

Michigan has large, talented receivers who can't seem to gain separation from all but the most Indiana of secondaries, so why not try to get them open by formation or by letting the play design break down the defender for you? For three years now, Michigan's offenses have been almost allergic to easy yards.

Take Saturday for example. Michigan ran Devin Gardner on exactly one designed QB run; a typical zone read (reading the backside end) with a built-in bubble to the read side. The bubble was screamingly wide open because the nickel corner came down on Gardner. They never ran it again, but they put it on film for Northwestern or whomever else. Everyone else can do this stuff. Michigan mashes at it like they are trying to fit a square peg through a round chunk of cinder block. But I digress.

Long term, I really don't know what offense would be "best." The game evolves too quickly to say "you must run this because it is the thing that works." Defenses adapt, and new stuff appears. But if you hire a guy (or hire a guy who hires a guy) who understands the game and can adapt to his personnel, to the state of football, and to what he sees, the details are of secondary concern.

Comments

GoBLUinTX

November 5th, 2014 at 12:20 PM ^

Looking back it is apparent there were two general schools of thought, the win games school and the spread school and I think both Bill Martin and RichRod thought there was a mandate to remake Michigan into, not just a spread system, but a zone read spread attack and to do it immediately.  It's why there was no great urgency to keep the offense as intact as possible for 2008.

The win games school was not only aghast that Michigan wasn't winning, but that the centerpiece of the offense was to be a running back with marginal QB skills.  Michigan had been QB University, almost without exception, since the days of Jim Harbaugh and here came this upstart that essentially said phewy, don't need QBs, need running backs with an arm.  And so the QB conduit from Michigan to the NFL was instantly shutdown.  Traditionalists upset about Rawk today should well remember that QB U was one of the first traditions kicked to the curb in 2008.

wile_e8

November 5th, 2014 at 12:47 PM ^

What offense did you think he should run?

People with this complaint act like Michigan had been running a man-blocking scheme under center forever, when in fact Michgan had switched to a zone-based run scheme for the last two years under Carr. In 2007, damn near every game started with a zone stretch behind Jake Long because that was the base play of the offense. Switching to a man scheme and running isos would have been an even further departure from what we had been running under Carr. In fact, as far as the O-line was concerned, it was pretty much the exact same thing. Only real difference in the run game was that the quarterback was always in the shotgun and occasionally kep the ball to keep to keep the defense honest.

As far as the quarterbacks go, you act like no QB available could do what RR asked of him, but do you really think they would have been ok sitting in the pocket, surverying the field, reading coverages, and making accurate throws? Threet couldn't do this at ASU after he had a few more years experience. An old school pro-style offense relies even more on the QB than the spread, and the options available for that didn't look promising.

The problem for the offense that year was that the line was incredibly inexperienced and couldn't block anyone, and the quarterbacks were young and sub-par and couldn't overcome the line. They weren't going anywhere that year, especially if they switched to some half-ass pro-style that they hadn't even been running the previous couple years. The 'refused to adjust his offense" meme needs to die.

micheal honcho

November 5th, 2014 at 12:10 PM ^

Brians very first statement about 2007 and how it was the "right thing" is my single biggest pet peeve and point of total disagreement with Brian, who I probably 90+ percent agree with.

That is saying basically F the seniors. You don't matter to me. You suck and don't possess enough talent to bother trying to win games for you. RR could have gone a MINIMUM of 6-6 running a power based scheme with Threet/Sheridan handing to Brandon Mnor & Company & running the same basic passing scheme's both of those guys had become familiar with practicing under the previous system. We beat Utah, Toledo, Purdue & likely Northwestern but perhaps lose to Wisconsin because we're not able to use the RR stuff to exploit them in that memorable 2nd half.

Our defense & O-line were still strong enough to win us those games. The only reason(s) this was not the strategy we took were 1. RR has no idea how to coach any system other than his own(I think this is the reason BTW which is a damn shame for anyone who consider's themselves a top level football coach) or 2. RR was too impatient and thought that he could get away with ending our 30yr bowl streak( in other words he thought Michigan was just like every other school but just bigger) without losing too much support. He was wrong.

You can, and i'm sure will, continue to believe this was the right thing to do in 2008 but that does not make it so. If we assume there was a large faction of the M fanbase(20-25%?) that was anti RR from the get go, that means at least 20-25% were Pro RR and that leaves 50-60% that were on the fence waiting to see. By disregarding those seniors in 2008 and ending the bowl streak etc. What did he do to those 50-60%(myself in that group)? I'm saying he sent more of them to the anti camp than to the pro camp and never got them back. He gambled that he would go 7-5 then 9-3, that would have gotten enough of them back to win him a 4th yr. Instead he went 5-7(no bowl again) and 7-5. The fence sitters he lost in 08 were not going to move inot the neutral or pro camps with those results.  

Reader71

November 5th, 2014 at 12:44 PM ^

I'm certainly not prepared to say we would have won X number of games in 2008. The offense was super young and didn't have good QB play. They were going to struggle. But, I do think that running the spread and shred that season was a lot like Hoke keeping starters in during the 4th quarter of the ND game. Whatever it was, I dont think it was a good faith effort at winning games. I think both cases can be justified by thinking of the future (Hoke wanting a team to never give up, Coach Rod wanting to have a base to build upon for the future). But neither was really about that moment in time (the ND game or the 2008 season).

wile_e8

November 5th, 2014 at 12:53 PM ^

What about a power-based scheme makes you think the offense would have been any better? As I said up thread, we hadn't been running one the previous couple years under Carr - those last couple offenses were all zone-based schemes, and Carr had been recruiting Molk-type linemen more suited for zone blocking than man blocking. The line woul dhave been even more inexperienced in a power-based scheme than a zone-based scheme. Why do you think this would have improved anything?

raleighwood

November 5th, 2014 at 2:39 PM ^

Yes, the 2008 defense was horrid.  However, the defensive players available were not.  Will Johnson (Sr), Mike Martin (Fr), Terrence Taylor (Sr), Brandon Graham (Jr) and Tim Jamison (Sr) all had experience (except Martin) and at least sniffed the NFL. 

Moving on the the linebackers....John Thompson (Sr), Jonas Mouton (So), Obi Ezeh (So), Marell Evans (So) and Austin Panter (Sr).  You can put together a linebacking corp with that crew.

The DB's tell the same story.  Morgan Trent (Sr), Donovan Warren (So), Troy Wolfolk (So), Stevie Brown (Jr) and Brandon Harrison (Sr).

Strictly in terms of available talent/experience, that was probably Michigan's best defensive roster between 2006 and 2014. 

 

 

Ali G Bomaye

November 5th, 2014 at 1:44 PM ^

So far in his limited playing time, Morris has looked a little like Ryan Mallett (except not an alleged asshole like Mallett was).  He has a huge arm, limited pocket presence, and questionable accuracy and touch.

Well, we saw what happened when Mallett got a good coach and a good scheme after his transfer to Arkansas - he put up serious numbers.  If we get a offensively proficient coach, I think Morris has the tools to do the same thing.

Rach

November 5th, 2014 at 2:55 PM ^

Regarding the OL struggles, is it possible that all these years of scrambling QB's stunted the development of the OL, masked problems on the OL, and/or impeded the ability of Funk to properly coach good technique in practice?  Not an expert by any means, and certainly not defending Funk, but I've often wondered if a QB that can bail out a poor OL, like Denard, can cause complacency and/or bad habits that finally caught up to us.  It must be easier to block when you generally know where your QB is (i.e. in the pocket).