Penn St Eligible for Postseason Immediately
Not to be outdone by the NFL in their lack of punishment, the NCAA decides to end the punishment for the horrible things done by Penn St in the Sandusky incidents:
Due to Penn State’s progress in ensuring athletics dept functions with integrity, NCAA immediately restores football postseason eligibility.
— Inside the NCAA (@InsidetheNCAA) September 8, 2014September 8th, 2014 at 3:36 PM ^
it is hard for you to see because you are very passionate about this and rigthfully so, but it did actually have nothing to do with football. It had to do with a sociopath who is in prison until he dies at which time he will be transfered to hell where he will see a megalomaniac who is already there.
September 8th, 2014 at 3:46 PM ^
Here's the question you have to ask: Let's say the incident came to light immediately when it was first discovered by McQueary in 2002. Would Penn State football have gone on exactly as it did? Of course not. Their name would've been dragged through the mud back then. Paterno might've been forced to resign. They certainly wouldn't have been better in the intervening years and almost certainly would've fared worse - and I don't think there's much room for dispute of that. Therefore, yes, this has plenty to do with football.
September 8th, 2014 at 3:53 PM ^
the world would Paterno have been forced to resign? Sandusky was not on his staff anymore. It would have strengthened Paterno's reputation as a coach who cares about kids and who will go full steam ahead and blow the whislte on a friend to stand up for and protect kids. Sandusky would have gone to prison and it would have been a very small footnote 15 years later that really had nothing to do with Paterno or the football team.
September 8th, 2014 at 4:34 PM ^
September 8th, 2014 at 10:06 PM ^
paterno let this go on for 20 years!!!! he obviously didn't care about kids he "didn't know".
September 8th, 2014 at 8:15 PM ^
So if he had been a researcher in the physics department and had raped kids in his lab, that would lead to a ban on all physics-based research? I know it's an extreme argument and there were factors perhaps specific to PSU football's administration that allowed it to perpetuate, but what happened with Sandusky was a failure of monitoring and leadership by members of the University community, not because he was a football coach.
September 8th, 2014 at 8:11 PM ^
Okay, but then we're still punishing kids for wanting to go to PSU? I'm in no way condoning what happened there, but everyone involved was punished severely. At some point you have to move on.
September 8th, 2014 at 10:08 PM ^
but i think 4 years of sanctions should be the bare minimum to move on.
September 8th, 2014 at 2:53 PM ^
September 8th, 2014 at 8:13 PM ^
Ah yes, because that was absolutely the point I was making.
Lifting the sanctions on a program full of players who were in no way on the team nor involved in what happened to those victims has absolutely nothing to do with absolving or white-washing the past issues. But please, keep standing on that soapbox and reducing everything to its base level.
September 8th, 2014 at 10:10 PM ^
and the UM basketball program shouldn't have been punished. because you know, that involved players 5+ years in the past, right?
September 8th, 2014 at 2:47 PM ^
September 8th, 2014 at 8:36 PM ^
I hate the argument that PSU shouldn't be punished because it's not the players fault and everyone is gone. If no one gets punished, then it happens again. Sorry for those kids but they had a free transfer option and Penn State sure as hell made millions and millions of dollars while this was getting covered up
Yep, players will be sad but blame Sandusky and the PSU staff for such an egregious oversight, not the NCAA for actually punishing them
September 8th, 2014 at 10:12 PM ^
free transfer option is the obvious answer. but the ncaa is crap.
September 8th, 2014 at 2:48 PM ^
This isn't the time for carrot-and-stick. There should be no carrot for compliance, just a much bigger stick for noncompliance.
I think what we've managed to demonstrate here is that you should do whatever you can to hide the presence of a child molester. You might not even get caught, and if you are, a couple months of bad pub is all you have to put up with and your program can otherwise skate on by.
September 8th, 2014 at 2:57 PM ^
This is a beyond stupid perspective. Everyone involved is in jail, facing jail, fines or dead. Meanwhile the student athletes, fans and students get penalized. Sanctions should never have been levied against innocents.
September 8th, 2014 at 3:11 PM ^
September 8th, 2014 at 3:15 PM ^
This was a criminal matter, not an NCAA matter. The NCAA overstepped their bounds and essentially forced the penalty without due process.
September 8th, 2014 at 3:52 PM ^
You could say the same thing about Ray Rice. I don't think one precludes the other--this was an assistant coach, a head coach, and the academic administration of an NCAA team, it can definitely be an NCAA issue even though it is also a criminal issue.
September 8th, 2014 at 6:31 PM ^
September 8th, 2014 at 10:16 PM ^
the ncaa can level sanctions on a school for providing cash benefits to players or cheating on exams but is totally exempted from schools hiding coaches molesting children or other serious crimes by coaches. that's a complete joke.
September 8th, 2014 at 3:33 PM ^
Sanctions should never have been levied against innocents.
This is so fucking stupid I don't even know where to begin. Every single fucking time a program is hit with sanctions, they're "levied against innocents" by your definition. Let's never punish a program for anything they do for fear that the poor fucking fans might be wronged. I sure hope Biff in Chi Phi doesn't feel too badly about any sanctions, the poor innocent baby.
September 8th, 2014 at 5:17 PM ^
Who the fuck is Biff from Chi Phi? Biff Tannen?
It's a criminal matter. If this happened to say, corporation X where the CEO and Board were implicated in a crime, and the Attorney General said "corporation X must close it business" why should Molly in marketing, who had nothing to do with this suffer the consequences? Just like PSU's right tackel shouldn't have to bear the consequences of others.
September 8th, 2014 at 5:40 PM ^
PSU's right tackle went to Penn State knowing exactly what was happening to them.
But you're misdirecting your anger. Think of the poor right tackle for the Baltimore Ravens, and their poor fans, who have to suffer because the NFL punished Ray Rice.
September 8th, 2014 at 5:42 PM ^
You mean like the employees at Enron? Or the wife and children of an embezzler who have to vacate their luxury home?
September 8th, 2014 at 10:20 PM ^
that's how it works. arthur anderson went down because of its office in texas (enron). it brought down the #1 accounting firm in the nation with hundreds of offices nationwide. yes, inocents within the organization can get hurt, but it's that deterant which is much more beneficial to society than the alternative of no punishment.
September 8th, 2014 at 2:49 PM ^
They screw us over and give McGary a year suspension which bascially forces him to the NBA and let Penn St off with slap on the wrist. Fuck the NCAA.
September 8th, 2014 at 3:19 PM ^
The NCAA once again shows they are now a raving joke undeserving of any institutional respect.
McGary was everything you could want in a student-athlete and opted to continue the with NCAA's grand amateur experience (twice!) despite surely being heavily encouraged otherwise.
This is a case of horrific compassionate imbalance.
September 8th, 2014 at 5:08 PM ^
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September 8th, 2014 at 2:49 PM ^
I'm kind of torn about this.
On one hand, at the time, it seemed like no punishment was enough for what PSU did as an institution so I'm kind of angry they decided to lift sanctions early.
On the other hand, now 3 years later it seems like no one involved in any of what happened is around to suffer from the punishment anymore, save for maybe general fanbase culture.
September 8th, 2014 at 3:01 PM ^
September 8th, 2014 at 7:50 PM ^
It doesn't feel like any punishment is enough because it isn't. There's no way to punish a sports team, to impact athletic competitions, in a way that's appropriate for a horrible crime.
September 8th, 2014 at 2:50 PM ^
Seems like the NCAA has forgotten the atrocities that led to the sanctions in the first place. If someone is convicted of an extremely heinous crime, they aren't going to get the same early release for good behavior as someone convicted of something much less serious. Too bad, but given that it's the NCAA, unsurprising.
September 8th, 2014 at 2:51 PM ^
Just in time for Franklin to become a force in the B1G East. Great.
If you had told me on July 23, 2012 that Michigan and Penn State would have the same regular season records the next two seasons and that Penn State would look better than Michigan 2 games into 2014 I'd have said you were crazy.
September 8th, 2014 at 3:37 PM ^
They are now free to become the natural recruiting monster you get when you are the only major program in a talent-rich area.
And just when Michigan needs to establish critical-mass in the PA/NJ/DC recruiting area to fend off this monster, we are losing to Notre Dame 31-0 and fighting with each other in public over social media.
FML.
September 8th, 2014 at 2:52 PM ^
If there was ever a time that a punishment should have been seen through to the end, regardless of any amount "good behavior," this was it. Poor form, NCAA, poor form.
September 8th, 2014 at 2:53 PM ^
September 8th, 2014 at 2:56 PM ^
As much as I dislike Penn State, I wish Hoke had 1/20 of Franklin's energy.
Typical NCAA shit. Why am I not surprised.
September 8th, 2014 at 2:59 PM ^
The reality is PSU and PSU football will forever be tainted because of Sandusky, Paterno and all of the others who turned the other way.
September 8th, 2014 at 3:02 PM ^
September 8th, 2014 at 3:10 PM ^
A member institution ignored an incredibly serious crime to protect its football program.
They should have gotten the death penalty.
September 8th, 2014 at 3:03 PM ^
Penn State has a "scarlet letter" that they will wear for a couple generations. That may not be a punishment in a "tangible" sense, but it's certainly something that EVERYBODY who is a Penn Stater --- be they players, alums, professors, et cetera et cetera --- carries around with them for the rest of their lives. I'm not complaining about that (I am a Penn State alum myself), just disagreeing that today is the "end" of this all.
September 8th, 2014 at 5:28 PM ^
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September 9th, 2014 at 8:38 AM ^
It's not hard to imagine the coverup of a child molester being something that immediately comes to the mind of a potential employer upon seeing Pennsylvania State University at the top of a resumé. It's possible that may cause them to inadvertently evaluate the applicant with a negative connotation in the back of their head.
And being that the scandal was a huge story across all news outlets, it's probably now the first thing most people associate with PSU, if I had to guess. Enabling a pedophile to take advantage of his status and access to on-campus facilities as a means to continue luring in and molesting little kids...that's just not something people forget about.
So yeah, I agree that it is indeed now very possible Penn State students and alumni could be unfairly stigmatized. As a Michigan grad, I'd be both livid and extremely saddened if our university were ever involved in a remotely similar situation or anything that undermines what should be high ethical standards.
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September 8th, 2014 at 3:10 PM ^
The NCAA is making theirs worse.
September 8th, 2014 at 3:17 PM ^
shape than Michigan did, despite PSU losing a ton of schollarships and a 2 year bowl ban. Our ban was for stretching and their's was for the unprecendented harboring of a serial child molesting and their program is in better shape. Pathetic.
September 8th, 2014 at 3:16 PM ^
Fire Brady Hoke!
September 8th, 2014 at 3:18 PM ^
September 8th, 2014 at 3:19 PM ^
one more shity big 10 team to play in a bowl game and lose. this is now mac football but with more fans
September 8th, 2014 at 3:23 PM ^
I wonder how the victims - you know, the children who were raped by Sandusky and told to keep quiet about it into their adulthood - feel about this?
The NCAA perpetuates a completely fake culture of amateurism and virtue among its major sports. Pathetic.