Chatman and Wilson Move Up in Rivals Rankings
Chatman up to 25, Wilson up to 86. Both 4 stars with Chatman one spot short of the 5 stars. Doyle not in the top 150. This could end up being a sneaky-good class.
http://sports.yahoo.com/ncaa/basketball/recruiting/rankings/rank-2993/0
April 24th, 2014 at 12:06 PM ^
Exactly. So many times over the last few months I heard how bad this class was and that it lacked a "blue chip" recruit. Sure, it would have been nice to have Booker or Blackmon in addition to these guys (or more likely, in place of MAAR), but I think it's turning out just fine.
April 24th, 2014 at 12:10 PM ^
If we got Blackmon too in this class, it was just not have been fair to the Kentucky's of the world.
April 24th, 2014 at 12:11 PM ^
Who said this was a bad class? I thought most said this was a solid class that would need time to develop?
April 24th, 2014 at 12:29 PM ^
That's all. Both those classes had 3 consensus top-100 types. That obviously doesn't mean this one will be bad - just not quite as much star power, at least at the outset. Now it appears to have caught up for the most part.
April 24th, 2014 at 12:38 PM ^
The 2012 class may go down as the best in the past 30-40 years... I know Fab 5 had more high end talent but this one will have 5 NBA players... the Fab 5 had 4 (I don't remember how long King lasted in the NBA). And all 5 players from the 2012 class are tracking to early entry. I know it is a different era but King and Jackson stayed all 4 years - none of the 2012 kids will barring massive shock.
Hard to compare anything to 2012 in retrospect.... we went 5/5 on early entry NBA players in that class! 2014 has a chance to do good things like the 2013 group - and certainly will have more players in it.
April 24th, 2014 at 12:39 PM ^
Caris, Nik, GR3, Mitch..... fifth?
April 24th, 2014 at 12:42 PM ^
Oops you are right - my bad. I was thinking about the starting lineup from last year's FF team all going to the NBA early. That wasn't one recruiting class. (brain fart)
Ok 4 for 5, all to the NBA early :)
Let's conservatively say it was the 2nd best class in UM's past 30+ years.
April 24th, 2014 at 12:53 PM ^
With regard to leaving early, it's just a different era. At the time of the Fab5, it was really an exception whereas now, early departures are almost the rule. I don't think any of our early departures would have even considered doing the same if it were 1993.
Yes different era but 3 of those 5 did leave early (Webber Howard Rose) even back in those days.
King I don't know if he would have left early in this era, probably he would have ranked similar to THJ but maybe wowed scouts in predraft with his athleticism. He ended up being a 2nd round pick back then. He probably would be viewed similar to GR3 today if he left early - potential upside with great raw athleticism etc.
Webber left after his sophomore season because he was the consensus #1 overall pick, and Rose and Howard were both lottery picks after their junior season. Back then, "leaving early" almost always meant playing three years, and plenty of NBA-bound players played four years. In 1993, we almost certianly wouldn't be seeing GRIII make the leap now, and we'd probably have another year of Stauskas as well.
Absolutely correct. The Fab 5 was just that much better than any other group. I love all of our modern-era kids, but none of them (at the time of leaving as sophomores) had the dominant game of Webber. All would have stayed at least 3 years.
April 24th, 2014 at 12:41 PM ^
I don't think Spike is going to get enough minutes this year to bolt early for the NBA.
But yeah, that class is bonkers.
April 24th, 2014 at 12:41 PM ^
DON'T SLEEP ON SPIKE! ;)
April 24th, 2014 at 12:50 PM ^
He's gonna have to share some minutes with Walton though, and that will hurt his stock. Also seems like a guy who loves school, so I figure he comes back to move up into the lottery.
April 24th, 2014 at 12:42 PM ^
I think you're mis-counting unless you really believe Spike has an NBA future.
I tell you this: 20 years from now, Kate Upton will be known as "that girl who passed on the chance to date Spike Albrecht".
FYI: Rivals ranked that class 7th and Indiana's 4th.Moral of the story is take rankings with a grain of salt.
"Outliers" and 7/4 isn't a great disparity. Also, use 247 composite.
April 24th, 2014 at 10:53 PM ^
April 24th, 2014 at 12:44 PM ^
This got me thinking about the value to the program of certain recruits. I believe GR3 and Mitch were the highest rated recruits two years ago. Caris was not even close to any Top 100 list. Yet if he does stay all four years and keeps progressing, his impact will be much bigger than either Mitch or Glenn, if Mitch also leaves for the NBA this week
Add in Trey being the best player in decades and being only a 3*, and I'm starting to care less and less about basketball player rankings. As long as we land a solid mix of kids like this year (two top 100, two solid role players), we'll be fine. ...as long as Beilein is on the bench.
April 24th, 2014 at 12:49 PM ^
Jordan needs respect here too - he is our guard/wing expert it appears and we were not having this level of success in development the first few years of Beilein with the old staff. Much like Narduzzi/Dantonio I am not sure who you give the credit too more though or what is the chicken and what is the egg.
Is it because we are getting players more suited to our system, is it because Beilein's last 4 years were his recruits versus fitting round pegs in square holes with Amaker's, is it because Jordan is just a bad ass developer of talent and combined with Beilein's back to basics approach in fundamentals is resulting in quantum leaps? Unknown. But if I was UM I'd be locking up Jordan for as long as Brandon can since this combination just works.
I am shocked we have not heard Jordan's name out there as a mid major candidate this year. If I was a mid major I'd be looking at Beilein's staff really closely to get some of this magic into my program.
I agree. I should have put Beilein and staff. I hope Jordan is the next head coach.
April 24th, 2014 at 12:15 PM ^
A lot of people have said that. Let me go back and look them all up for you...
April 24th, 2014 at 12:16 PM ^
"Most"
but sure, go ahead and show me where the majority thought this was a bad class?
April 24th, 2014 at 12:24 PM ^
No one said the word "most" or "majority" but you. I said a lot of people were complaining that this was a bad class, and that's true. Just because >50% thought it was good doesn't change the fact that many on this board complained about how Beilein struck out this time around.
I never suggested that the majority complained, but that a sginificant minority did, which is ridiculous.
April 24th, 2014 at 12:20 PM ^
people. Go over to UMHoops and look at the assessments in the immediate aftermath.
April 25th, 2014 at 12:26 PM ^
they might stay here beyond 24 months. That would sure be nice.
April 24th, 2014 at 12:10 PM ^
Edit:
Instead of being snarky, I think it may be time to introduce the Beilein Certainty Principle. Most recruits who Beilein gets will move up in the rankings before they show up on campus
April 24th, 2014 at 12:38 PM ^
once they get here.
April 24th, 2014 at 12:09 PM ^
'Crooting!
Nice move by Wilson.
Doyle seems raw - I think the lack of camps really hurts him. He is a dude who is playing guys 4-5 inches shorter than him in Florida so he is a bit of a mystery. Seems like he'd be well served by RS, although if Mitch goes there will be no choice but to play him next year.
Chatman at 38 or 28 or 25 - he is a high end prospect that is going to be forced to play big minutes next year. GR3 played 33 min a night at the 4 as a freshman, and now that we see his size is 6'8 210ish, that seems the exact same role for Chatman next year.
April 24th, 2014 at 12:26 PM ^
Why does Doyle seem raw? His dad played professional basketball, and one of his biggest attributes is how polished he is. Don't assume that a kid is raw just because he's not highly ranked.
April 24th, 2014 at 12:39 PM ^
Sam Webb has talked about how the kid continues to grow.
April 24th, 2014 at 12:45 PM ^
Yes probably that is a better terminology. Just his level of competition from what I read is not the greatest and he is not playing guys his size/height almost at all in HS so you don't know how he adjusts to that. If he was playing in Chicago or wherever he'd be facing athletes more of his size/bulk and his game would probably be farther along in terms of having to adjust to talent of similar ilk across from you.
April 24th, 2014 at 12:54 PM ^
that suggests otherwise. Virtually no high(er) end competition. Ranked well outside of the top 100 despite his size. Film that doesn't say differently. The only reason we have for optimism on Doyle is this staff's recent track record. Saying he is raw or a project doesn't seem unwarranted.
April 24th, 2014 at 12:57 PM ^
I think he looks polished in his highlights, but I've never seen full games, and I am not a basketball scouting guy.
April 24th, 2014 at 12:09 PM ^
And the trend with Beilein continues...
What happens if he gets the #1 recruit in the country one day? Will they have to create a higher ranking since all of Beilein's recruits turn out to be better than originally thought?
April 24th, 2014 at 12:12 PM ^
i'm going to watch an episode of Archer right now on Amazon Prime
April 24th, 2014 at 12:31 PM ^
McGary was the #2 recruit in the country at one point in time. So JB ain't that far off from getting #1.
April 24th, 2014 at 12:43 PM ^
If you're not first, you're last!
April 24th, 2014 at 12:12 PM ^
Chatman is the #1 four star for all the star lovers out their. Wilson is going to play next year off the bench.
April 24th, 2014 at 12:15 PM ^
I see Wilson playing spot minutes (w/ McGary back). He is rated high for his physical tools and longterm upside.
April 24th, 2014 at 12:22 PM ^
April 24th, 2014 at 12:13 PM ^
Hoke's recruits do the opposite of Beilein's.
April 24th, 2014 at 12:16 PM ^
Someone had to turn this into a football recruiting thread...