Hypothetical Urban Vs Jim
Here is a hypothetical, I am curious to hear peoples opinions on?
If Michigan had a clone of Urban Meyer as coach the last 4 years instead of JH, what would our record be against OSU? This assumes that OSU is still the same team with the same coach they have been for the last 4 years? I mostly look at it from strictly Xs and Os, staff, and game management standpoint. However, you could also consider potential recruiting differences etc.
I ask this to illustrate my opinion of a what I think is a false narrative our there. That since JH is 0-4 vs OSU therefore he must not be as good of a coach. I think you can make a good argument that UM would still be 0-4 against OSU in my hypothetical scenario, of clone Urban. Too often people want to make things black and white without context.
What say you?
December 5th, 2018 at 10:41 AM ^
Mini Urban driving a bus.
December 5th, 2018 at 10:03 AM ^
How many pickles could a pickle picker pick?
December 5th, 2018 at 10:03 AM ^
and sometimes things are black and white.
December 5th, 2018 at 10:11 AM ^
Just because it's Michigan and the history and tradition and Leaders and Best and all that makes it awesome doesn't mean we can't forget about football for a minute -- especially Michigan / OSU and hypotheticals. I'd much rather focus on B-ball, for instance. Think we just need a collective, "group purge" when it comes to the gridiron right now.
December 5th, 2018 at 10:12 AM ^
I'm not trying to be a jerk, but what is the relevance or even interest in this particular hypothetical?
I think as a blog we have become a little fixated on Urban Meyer. I hope he gets a flat tire today and then accidentally drinks spoiled milk and pukes. Other than that I really don't care.
It is basketball season anyway.
December 5th, 2018 at 10:23 AM ^
Well I posted this and I can tell you I haven't been watching the Urban coverage I really don't want to hear it.
I simply look at this from the perspective of I don't think criticism of JH is warranted at this point. I am starting to have reservations about some schematic things but more defensive than offensive. Point is there are other variables than just coach. So records cant be the lone factor in determining how our coach is doing. Its very relevant, and I could have asked the same question without using Urban but I think it has more profound effect when people realize the exact same coach going against himself isn't necessarily going to be 2-2, in fact likely not.
December 5th, 2018 at 10:29 AM ^
Ok, carry on.
December 5th, 2018 at 10:13 AM ^
The universe implodes on itself and existence is wiped out when clone Urban and regular Urban meet so it's all a moot point.
December 5th, 2018 at 10:15 AM ^
I'm going to go watch Paul Blart Mall Cop 2 with Dark Side of the Moon playing in sequence and check back with you on this one, guys.
December 5th, 2018 at 10:20 AM ^
Urban 4, Harbaugh 0.
December 5th, 2018 at 10:23 AM ^
But could this hypothetical happen if the earth was flat?
December 5th, 2018 at 11:02 AM ^
What do you mean "IF"?
December 5th, 2018 at 10:24 AM ^
I'm disappointed. I thought this was going to be like Thunderdome. Two coaches enter, one coach leaves!
December 5th, 2018 at 10:24 AM ^
What if Mike Ditka was coaching both teams at the same time? Daaa Bearsss!
December 5th, 2018 at 10:25 AM ^
If Kate Upton had been our coach would this have affected recruiting 5 stars?
If she promised to beat OSU or coach the bowl game in a swimsuit. Would we feel differently about the loss?
Would Inside Michigan Football - Bowl Edition be the highest rated show of all time?
December 5th, 2018 at 10:25 AM ^
I'll play: I think that it would have made a difference this year and ONLY this year.
Why?
2015 we had no chance. 2016 and 2017 the game plans were superb and there was nothing a hypothetical anti-Urban could have done better.
2018 was the only Game where better utilization of our players would have netted us a win, or a better showing.
December 5th, 2018 at 10:46 AM ^
Totally agree.
December 5th, 2018 at 10:25 AM ^
Hawt take of the minute.
December 5th, 2018 at 10:28 AM ^
Urbzie has been a college coach for all 33 years of of his career, Harbaugh for only 10 of his 14, there's no logical comparison if confined to only the college game.
The biggest difference so far seems to be the ease in which Urbzie can identify and hire the best up and coming coordinators. Three decades builds a lot of relationships.
I say the most likely result in those 4 games is 1-3 about 90% of the time.
December 5th, 2018 at 10:29 AM ^
Who would win if there were 9 mini Urban Meyers and 2 giant Mike Ditkas vs 11 full sized Jim Harbaughs?
December 5th, 2018 at 10:45 AM ^
Majin Buu.
December 5th, 2018 at 11:13 AM ^
We should totally get Team America Police and clone them and have them be our team!
December 5th, 2018 at 10:33 AM ^
2-2 at worse
December 5th, 2018 at 11:21 AM ^
User name checks out.
HINT: It doesn't fucking matter what the hypothetical record would be. It's a asinine post. One cannot drum up a bunch of "what if" bullshit and justify the post's existence by labeling it as a "hypothetical".
Bullshit is bullshit no matter how much lipstick gets put on the pig.
December 5th, 2018 at 12:01 PM ^
this guy gets it!
December 5th, 2018 at 10:34 AM ^
I knew that game was going to have a lasting effect on us all, but this is borderline MANIC
I'm almost ready to say the mgoattitude was better in the RichRod years!!
December 5th, 2018 at 10:52 AM ^
Well to be fair, we hadn't lived through the "RichRod" years yet.
December 5th, 2018 at 10:34 AM ^
December 5th, 2018 at 10:50 AM ^
There was a big talent gap favoring OSU. If Harbaugh had OSU talent and vice a versa, then Harbaugh would be 4-0 over Urban. I think that talent gap is shrinking and I think next season will be the year Harbaugh beats OSU. Even if Urban would have stayed as coach.
December 5th, 2018 at 12:02 PM ^
same old story every. single. year. I think we get them next year. well, there's always next year. we'll turn the corner next year. blah blah blah
December 5th, 2018 at 10:51 AM ^
Urban is a better college coach than Harbaugh. Leave it at that and hope Harbaugh doesn't lose to Day. If he loses next year at home, whoa boy
December 5th, 2018 at 10:58 AM ^
Hypothetical about a Hypothetical Situation where Hypothetically Speaking if Michigan were to Hypothetically Play Ohio State in a Hypothetical Game They Might Win, What Would be the Hypothetical Score?
December 5th, 2018 at 12:04 PM ^
we'd still get our butts kicked
December 5th, 2018 at 11:05 AM ^
If Michigan had a clone of Urban Meyer as coach the last 4 years instead of JH, and had clones of all Ohio State players as well, and we played in a stadium that was a clone of Ohio Stadium, and all of our fans were clones of Ohio State fans, and Ann Arbor was a clone of Columbus, and Michigan was a clone of Ohio, what would our record be against OSU?
December 5th, 2018 at 11:11 AM ^
Is the John O' Neil crew officiating? We still lose 4 times.
December 5th, 2018 at 11:11 AM ^
...hypothetically.
December 5th, 2018 at 11:09 AM ^
This post is a result of eating lead paint chips as a kid. Hypothetically speaking.
December 5th, 2018 at 11:18 AM ^
This post is the result of mommy and daddy not hugging the OP enough as a kid.
Hypothetically speaking.
December 5th, 2018 at 11:15 AM ^
Hypothetically if we didn't Hire Rich Rodriguez, does he still sing you raise me up
December 5th, 2018 at 11:17 AM ^
What say you?
It's a stupid post.
December 5th, 2018 at 11:19 AM ^
I'm not sure how that hypothetical would work because particularly on offense they recruit for a different system. So, I'd have to assume everything else remains the same, which means Urban would be coaching the guys that were at UM the past 4 years. I'd have to assume Urban would lose the games in '15 and '17 regardless. I still think '16 could have gone either way so he'd have a decent chance of winning that game and I don't really hold that loss against JH. He did all he could. And, I also think if played again it's unlikely OSU would win by such a large margin, so I'd guess Urban would have had a better outcome in that game, but not guaranteed a win. It would be interesting to see what Urban could do with Patterson. But, who knows. So, really all we're saying here is JH has been outmatched talent wise in this game for 2 of the first 3 years, lost once due to dumb luck in a close game, and had a really bad game this season. It is what it is
December 5th, 2018 at 11:20 AM ^
But what if we played the games on the moon?
December 5th, 2018 at 11:56 AM ^
If the moon was made of spare ribs would you eat it?
December 5th, 2018 at 12:01 PM ^
Maybe if I had some cheese.
December 5th, 2018 at 12:10 PM ^
People really think the difference in the rivalry is talent like Dantonio didn't beat Urban twice, once for the Big Ten title and again snapping a 23 game win streak.
Lol. Hopefully Harbaugh is a better tactician than Day.
December 5th, 2018 at 12:20 PM ^
What are worse? The false narratives out there? Or the false narratives here to explain away the record? Sometimes, on this blog if you squint real hard while reading you would think Michigan won 2 out of the last 3 games based on the what if's. No one is saying JH is a bad coach, but the narratives around him wont change until he beats OSU. On the bright side a very large obstacle was moved yesterday and it seems UM's recruiting is on an upswing.
December 5th, 2018 at 2:13 PM ^
This OP and the one below about "the tribe has spoken" are what get Michigan fans laughed at. First the OSU trolls get a hold of them and pass it on to 11W and they get a good laugh.
And then, eventually, one of them reads it to the MSU fans and even they get a laugh.
December 5th, 2018 at 2:31 PM ^
You cant have an honest take on here because if someone who honestly believes they think Meyer is a better coach, which his record and accomplishment suggest that he is, you will be negged to death. If Urban Meyer was here I think we win at least 1 of 4 simply because his offenses are designed to score, score fast, and score a lot. He is also an amazing recruiter, may due to have the $ recourses to do so.
However, with that said urban is a POS human being and I'd rather not follow college football than follow an Urban led Michigan team.
December 5th, 2018 at 2:40 PM ^
This year there was no excuse to lose to Meyer by giving up 62 points.
No no no no no !
December 5th, 2018 at 9:31 PM ^
Geez dude, live in reality. OSU owns Michigan..Urban owned Harbaugh.