All 4 playoff teams will run a spread offence

Submitted by rd2w10 on December 1st, 2018 at 7:44 PM

Thats what you need to play to win. The Pro Style Offense don't work anymore its becoming extinct at the HS level and Pro level.

Change is needed

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CJW3

December 1st, 2018 at 8:06 PM ^

Yeah it did. We scored most of our points in what was effectively garbage time. If you take away the one play td drive off a muff, the offense scored 13 points through two and a half quarters against the worst OSU defense in a decade. 

I'm not saying it was the primary reason we lost, but it was 1b.

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bronxblue

December 1st, 2018 at 8:23 PM ^

Michigan was down 16 points (2 scores) with about .  Alabama was down 14 points (2 scores) with about 18 minutes to go in a game they won by 7.  Was Michigan likely to come back against OSU?  Nope.  But people act like OSU had just given up defensively and were playing prevent in that game.

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mgoblue98

December 1st, 2018 at 10:29 PM ^

Sorry, but that is nonsense.  Michigan lost because the defense gave up 55 points.  Full stop.

If you take away the blocked punt and 2 interceptions... Ohio State probably still scores 21 points because the defense couldn't stop them.  Blaming the offense for the loss, or even suggesting that the offense was a part of the problem because they literally didn't score 63 points is silly.  

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Durham Blue

December 1st, 2018 at 10:02 PM ^

QB power is not part of Patterson's, or really any of the backup QB's arsenal.  Denard could do it because he was slippery and fast as fuck.  The RPO with QB keeper is something we've done with great success, and an element of RR's offense, but we didn't use it nearly enough against OSU.

I think in general people are upset, myself included, that we have excellent skill guys on offense and we aren't maximizing their potential.  Seems like we have the tools to run elements of a running spread, passing air raid and pro style.

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Pumafb

December 2nd, 2018 at 12:57 AM ^

Power Read is exactly in Patterson’s wheelhouse. In fact, I would argue it’s a much better play for Patterson (and most QB’s) that your basic zone read. I don’t think anyone is asking to run QB ISO with him, as you seem to be referring to.

At the high school I coach at, we have run it with a variety of QB’s with varying skill sets. 

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Ghost of Fritz…

December 1st, 2018 at 8:07 PM ^

Harbaugh does not have to abandon all of the tight formations, 2 TE + H back sets, etc.

But he does need a much more diverse offense.

And he needs someone new on his offensive staff to bring new ideas that can be blended in.

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username03

December 1st, 2018 at 8:08 PM ^

It's not pro-style versus spread, it's prioritizing scoring points vs. controlling the clock. See Georgia in the second half today for what the latter gets you.

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bronxblue

December 1st, 2018 at 8:13 PM ^

Oh gawd, if you think Oklahoma, Alabama, Clemson, and Notre Dame run effectively the same "spread" offenses, or that Michigan doesn't incorporate a ton of these concepts in their own offense, then this is as dumb of a thread as I thought when I opened it.

 

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UMDWolve

December 1st, 2018 at 8:14 PM ^

When some team develops a new counter to spread offense teams, we'll probably be stuck two generations behind.  Maybe manball will be good against it, who knows.

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Sten Carlson

December 1st, 2018 at 9:20 PM ^

When Michigan throws incompletions and interceptions Michigan fans scream, “run the damn ball!!!”

When Michigan runs the ball and gets stuffed, Michigan fans scream, “throw the damn ball!!!” 

Why won’t most fans just admit they know fuck all about play calling and really just want something that works?  Newsflash, just because a power running play doesn’t work doesn’t mean that it’s because of an archaic scheme, and just because a spread passing play works doesn’t mean it’s because it’s modern and innovative.  

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denardogasm

December 1st, 2018 at 9:35 PM ^

The problem seems pretty clearly to be not the playbook itself, but the play calling.  We saw a huge diversity of personnel and designs throughout the year, but way too large a proportion was just basic and predictable.  Shea showed he could handle any playcall, could handle the pressure, but then they shelved half the playbook in the most important game of the year.  I'm still all on board, but in game decisions have always been Harbaugh's problem, from playcalling, to clock management, to being too stubborn to kick it into high gear when we need points fast.  The other thing that seems to not be his forte is getting the team pumped up.  I truly wonder if that's part of the problem in big games.  Every locker room speech I've seen of his has just been hokey (not like Hoke, but hokey like a goofy dad... so a little bit like Hoke).

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Sten Carlson

December 1st, 2018 at 9:44 PM ^

I don’t think Shea showed that he could handle any play call.  Actually, I think quiet the opposite.  I think Shea showed he could handle zone-reads, some RPO’s, and designed roll outs.  When he was asked to step up in the pocket, or check out of a play, or pick apart a zone defense, he wasn’t up to the task.  These issues were why Michigan started slow and struggled in the red zone.  

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