December 12th, 2011 at 6:42 PM ^
Was he committed elsewhere and then changed to OSU?
December 12th, 2011 at 6:43 PM ^
Michigan took a look before he committed to PSU, and again briefly after it became clear he wanted to look around, but wasn't super interested either time for whatever reason.
December 12th, 2011 at 6:44 PM ^
Was committed to PSU. Caused an interesting mini-saga this summer. Wanted to commit to ND but was told they were full. Promptly got in touch with us to visit and possibly commit but was told no since Pipkins was committing. Not too long after visited Happy Valley and committed to PSU.
December 12th, 2011 at 8:41 PM ^
They pledged to ND, Michigan, PSU AND OSU.
December 12th, 2011 at 9:20 PM ^
COMEEE TO PENN SCHTAATE!
December 12th, 2011 at 6:44 PM ^
Penn St..
December 12th, 2011 at 6:43 PM ^
last to decommit.
December 12th, 2011 at 8:14 PM ^
Has Reeves officially de-committed from Penn State yet??
December 12th, 2011 at 6:43 PM ^
wanted to go anywhere other than Penn St.. Nice to see OSU dominating recruiting again. /s
December 12th, 2011 at 6:44 PM ^
not that anyone understands why we didn't want him.
December 12th, 2011 at 6:51 PM ^
Perhaps Pipkins > Schutt to GMattison
or maybe there's something we don't know about.
December 12th, 2011 at 6:53 PM ^
Most people would agree Pipkins > Schutt. The bigger question is why not both? DL is such a priority on this team.
December 12th, 2011 at 7:04 PM ^
Seems like a lot of comments on the MGo speak to the concept of Godin and Wormley both moving inside. It's hard to say where the coaches project players. It does make sense, given Wormley's large frame or Godin who is currently 6'6 270+...height might not be ideal for the inside but, then again, GMattison moves players around and it's very hard to predict how much bigger extremely large 17 year olds are going to grow.
December 12th, 2011 at 7:34 PM ^
One possibility is Clarkie's suggestion that one or two of the guys listed as DEs could end up as DTs at Michigan. Another possibility is that the coaches thought that Pipkins wouldn't come if we took Schutt (and they preferred Pipkins). There's a lot that we don't know.
December 12th, 2011 at 7:54 PM ^
There is depth it is just unproven. We have Quinton Washington and Kenny Wilkins who is listed at DT. We still don't know where Chris Rock or Keith Heitzman projects.
December 13th, 2011 at 6:09 AM ^
Wasn't Wilkins a 4* recruit for the DL, and isn't he a RS Freshman or RS Sophomore? Also, I always assumed that Godin was going to be a DT.
December 12th, 2011 at 8:04 PM ^
lets not act like Schutts not good here. In fact, everytime I tell them about Pipkins they tell me that schutt is ranked higher on every recruiting site. it is what it is. Whatever, Ohios going to get good players, so are we....
December 12th, 2011 at 9:16 PM ^
Is there really a hell of a lot of difference between the #5 and #7 DT according to Rivals? I'll leave that to Mattison.
December 12th, 2011 at 9:17 PM ^
Scout, Rivals and ESPN all have Schutt rated higher. All that matters is that Hoke and company prefer Pipkins, but with our lack of depth at DT I don't understand not taking both.
December 12th, 2011 at 6:51 PM ^
Let's be honest, we passed on Hankins and I think we would take a mulligan on that one if we could.
This is not an exact science. Some guys will excel elsewhere, some won't. We just have to roll with the decisions we make and work harder to achieve success.
December 12th, 2011 at 6:54 PM ^
"We" was RichRod and staff. Not Hoke, Mattison and Montgomery.
December 12th, 2011 at 7:38 PM ^
At that time, most people said "trust the coaches, they know more than we do". That seems to be such a common thing still being said. I'll just never understand why. The coaches are people, like the rest of us. They're just as susceptible to mistakes. Our current staff is no different. To support every decision they make b/c they supposedly know more than us is literally stupid and really it's arrogant. It ignores the fact that there's 119 other staffs in the country evaluating players. When our staff takes a player that nobody else wanted, everyone here says "trust the coaches". So our staff is the only one that knows what they're doing? Anyway, I'm done ranting. My guess is in a couple years we're all going to be regretting their decision to not take Schutt. Especially since he's now going to be playing for our biggest rival.
December 12th, 2011 at 7:48 PM ^
December 12th, 2011 at 7:49 PM ^
I dont think most people have a problem with Schutt, in terms of taking him or not. I think some people are tired of why didn't we take him. we will never know. They are not going to say he wasnt good enough or he didnt want to come here.
In almost every thread on Schutt, there are always a few that said man, i dont know why we didnt take him. some peole are tired of hearing about this.
December 12th, 2011 at 8:00 PM ^
Average coaches have spent close to 30+ years or close to half their lives around professional/college football and we haven't? Why trust a doctor? I'm sure your mother in law watches Dr. Oz from time to time.
December 12th, 2011 at 8:28 PM ^
Agree with you....the more stars the more certain they are to land in the middle of th ebell curve for panning out. A 2 star can make - but not as certain. I trust stars given everything else because of this probability view. I trust the coaches once the person is a clear starter as a soph or JR.
December 12th, 2011 at 9:19 PM ^
So, what you're saying is that I should trust recruiting analysts at Scout, Rivals or 247 instead? Or should I just trust the vicissitudes in opinion of the 'three star mafia'?
Srsly.
December 13th, 2011 at 9:39 AM ^
is not really intended to imply that they don't make mistakes and we are all idiots for forming different opinions. I think it is typically intended to mean they have a much more in depth understanding of their plan for the program and how, not only the recruits, but the current players are going to be deployed (thanks, Brian, good term.)
In this instance, I say trust the coaches, and I mean, there is no way that Hoke and Mattison would not have taken Schutt is they felt he was more of a need than another DB, etc. To all of us, it appearrs as though DL is an area of great concern, and that is a fair concern since we lose both interior DLineman and we have not seen much in terms of quality replacements. We have every right to be concerned, but we don't know what the coaches know. I'm sure that our coaches are very in tune with our DL and what its strengths and weaknesses are moving forward. I think this staff has shown they can get good/great recruits. If they wanted another interior DL recruit, they would get one. This must mean that they have some people they are comfortable with on the roster or that there are areas that are raising more concerns.
This in no way is inteded to mean that the coaches don't make mistakes. This staff will recruits some busts and some kids that we turn down or don't recruit will turn out to be all americans elsewhere. My analysis on this issue is simply to trust the coaches with respect to their decision to take one interior DL. As to whether they end up taking the right one, that is the subject of fair debate.
December 12th, 2011 at 7:40 PM ^
Rich Rod and staff also got Denard at QB, Fitz Toussaint, and unearthed Jordan Kovacs from the walk on ranks.
December 12th, 2011 at 7:44 PM ^
Uhh...Denard, Fitz and Kovacs don't play DL. We seem to have an abundance of expertise at that position group, which the previous staff didn't. That was my point.
December 13th, 2011 at 6:05 AM ^
Got Fitz and never used him*
December 13th, 2011 at 7:47 AM ^
obvious troll is obvious.
December 13th, 2011 at 6:22 AM ^
was show up in shape for camp and he couldn't do that. He passed on himself. The coaches wanted to see if he was committed to do what they believed was necessary for him to be an every down player and he didn't show that drive.
December 12th, 2011 at 6:55 PM ^
Yes, it isn't exact. Although, I definitely trust our defensive coaching staff to both identify candidates for Michigan in a better way that Gerg's staff, and I trust way more in Mattison's ability to seal the deal.
December 12th, 2011 at 6:59 PM ^
Just to be clear, that was not a knock on anybody. Rather, a general comment that just because we pass on a kid doesnt mean he stinks, and vice versa.
Rich Rod made both good and bad decisions in hindsight, and so will Hoke and Mattison.
It's their ability to coach the kids once they make it on to campus that will prove to be the difference, which I have every confidence they will excel at.
December 12th, 2011 at 7:02 PM ^
another quality NT that we inexplicably slow played only to watch him go to our biggest rival. I'd frankly rather have another true NT than a 6th or 7th OL.
December 12th, 2011 at 7:26 PM ^
Depth at offensive line = Moar Denardening
December 12th, 2011 at 7:41 PM ^
and it is very likely that none of the 2012 OL's will actually be playing with Denard
December 12th, 2011 at 10:11 PM ^
that one or more 2112 OLs will play as true freshmen, and likely play a lot. M will barely have enough experienced linemen to field a starting 5.
Scholarship players who won't be true freshman: Khoury, Miller, Lewan, Schofield, Omameh, Barnum, Mealer, Bryant (did I miss someone?) ... Of that group, there's one who's been a career back-up, and two current true freshman who've never seen a snap. I don't see a likely scenario where a true freshman or two don't play a key role in 2012.
December 12th, 2011 at 7:18 PM ^
We did at first, but it was a fight to get him in the end, and we lost. This is pretty much the opposite, we started with an offer, then made it uncommitable later.
December 12th, 2011 at 8:14 PM ^
RR didn't pass on Hankins. Hankins had issues related to his attitude and being in shape and they told him that he had to get squared away before he would get an offer. Apparently, OSU didn't make the same demands.
You're right about it not being an exact science. It's too bad the process wasn't flipped between Hankins and Turner.
December 12th, 2011 at 6:52 PM ^
Urban is notorious for going after players who already have given their verbal. Albeit, I don't blame him fir wanting to leave that pathetic institution.
December 12th, 2011 at 7:14 PM ^
Isn't it hypocritical for Michigan fans to criticize another school's coach for going after....never mind, that's just Michigan fan being Michigan fan.
December 12th, 2011 at 7:28 PM ^
Why do fans of others teams come on here and post? Go waste your time somewhere else.
December 12th, 2011 at 7:30 PM ^
Is this directed at me?
December 12th, 2011 at 7:46 PM ^
Yes. You're obviously a Packer fan.
December 12th, 2011 at 7:33 PM ^
Isn't it pointless of you to constantly come on here with the sole intent of stirring the pot and being a douchebag because you root for MSU and need some sort of outlet to free yourself of the clear penis envy you feel as a result? Guess that's just MasonBilderberg being MasonBilderberg...
December 12th, 2011 at 7:36 PM ^
Also- I slept with your wife.
December 12th, 2011 at 7:40 PM ^
Wasn't stating Michigan doesn't recruit other committed players, but simply stating that while Urban was at BGSU, Utah and Florida, he insulted coaches by continuously going after their commits. If you were referring to Dunn, I think he is just as interested in Michigan as they are with him. Please don't contribute to this site of higher learning unless it's going to be logical.