But will this guy actually talk to the NCAA about it?
not a chance in hell.
He's quoted by name in the ESPN article. http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=6649132
And everything he said was corroborated by the course employee who did not want to be named. This isn't quite a smoking gun because we don't know about reimbursements for the cost of a guest that might have been paid by the players, but it's pretty close to establishing knowledge of the administration about player perks. (Especially because if they were aware should have copies of checks used to provide such reimbursement) The NCAA can use circumstantial evidence and there seems to be a ton of it building up into a slam dunk case for LOIC
The Tressel angle is the best. If true, he lied on other compliance forms as well.
That's what turns this from small-time infraction into something more like Tressel's inaction after he received Cicero's emails.
And the beauty of it comes in when you realize that all you need is this guys phone records showing a call to Tressel's office and the guy saying he called.
Lifetime show-cause? Not to mention that the school "should have known" thus bringing down some type of small nuclear weapon detonating in Ohio Stadium.
This is getting crazy,when will it end? I'm getting anxious to find out what'll come of all this.
Not me. I want this to drip drip drip until after LOI signing day.
Wonder if this is going to provide the solid link in the Pryor-Talbott-Wexner connection. If Talbott supposedly didn't have the money to fund the sign for cash scam (according to his lawyer) then he certainly wouldn't have the funds to be a member of this private country club. The time frame of the outings, occuring when he was employed by Wexner, seems to indicate that it was due to Wexner he was able to get on the course. Going to be interesting to see this play out.
Read the article. He didn't have the money. That's why he got kicked out.
This Wexner link talk is tin foil hat stuff.
I wish.
How awesome would it be to own Victoria's Secret?
"Sorry Adriana, I'm busy funneling money to this Talbott guy so he can pay TP"
A) Yes...god yes.
B) I agree that there is very little chance that Wexner knew, but this still reflects very badly on him, IMO. The NCAA won't do something based off of appearances, but he was made to look like a fool today.
This is a club Talbott belonged to, according to the ESPN article. It looks like the kind of private club lots of people can join.
Wexner is one of the wealthiest men in the US. His kind of private club wouldn't have a mid-level looking clubhouse, or a website touting two other clubs; indeed, it probably wouldn't have a website. It would be WAY more private.
I highly doubt Wexner is in on this.
Every student athlete plays golf at a private country club several times a year.
You do if you're Lion Kim.
Augusta National, Cypress Point Club, Pebble Beach GL and San Francisco GC. Ha ha. Pretty good year for invites for Lion!
But really, I might be jealous of @TPeazy2 if he had been invited to the real Scioto (CC), or Double Eagle, or The Golf Club. I'd be floored if an invitation to play golf, made to one of Michigan's kids, at our local equivalent of Scioto Reserve, turned into any sort of major violation.
I'm rather intrigued at the notion that Pryor is a golfer at all.
is a dog track. The idea that people insinuate Les Wexner had anything to do with this is just laughable. Les Wexner would shoot himself in the face before having anything to do with that course. The man is a billionaire, that is a course that does two-for-one memberships.
I think he's making a joke based off everybody murders.
edit: Sorry, I didn't see lol in your post title.
POPCORN BREak...mm, nah. No, I am full. Just can't do it.
...Chunkums or The Monarch to create a gif with a Michigan fan laid out on the couch with tubs of popcorn strewn around.
you frequent bucknuts too
This can't be true; Talbott specifically denied it earlier this week!
Let there be recruits who went with them!
The Cleveland Plain Dealer reported the golf part yesterday. They didn't mention that the witness called OSU to report it. http://www.cleveland.com/osu/index.ssf/2011/06/columbus_photographer_denies_g.html
So, I doubt you can just call up Tressel's office and say "Hi, can I speak with Jim please?" and get through. He had to go through someone else first. Obviously, Tressel can't be the only one who knew about all of this stuff. Systemic problem.
Edit: Oh, just read the article. He talked to the secretary.
Ohio State will just claim the players were trying out for the golf team. Jack Nicklaus will vouch for them, just like he did for Tressel.
Ohio State will just claim the players were trying out for the golf team. Jack Nicklaus will vouch for them, just like he did for Tressel.
Cheaters!
otherwise the ball would always end up 10 yards short of the green.
So how much stuff needs to come out before the death penalty becomes an actual "what if" scenario? We find out that Pryor has been breaking rules since he set foot on campus and that Tressel has covered up his violations more than once. How is that not death penalty esque? The only difference at this point between OSU and SMU is that OSU hasn't been caught and told no only to do it again. They've just been caught doing it for several years. I'm sure Pryor isn't the first person.
I do agree that the NCAA is quickly running out of options using their conventional scholarship reductions/ bowl ban/ staff reductions, but I don't think they're going to use the death penalty. This is turning out to be the biggest scandal since SMU though.
Let's put away the maize and blue sunglasses and look at this objectively. Are all of these things taken together bad? Yes. Are they bad enough to give them the death penalty? No way.
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<br>It's not like they got a free home or hundreds of thousands of dollars.
Since the school was notified about it the main questions the NCAA will ask are:
Who knew?
Who should have known?
Was there an investigation?
Tressel knew when he was tipped off, -coverup
compliance should have known but didn't, -lack of institutional control
no investigation was done by the university. -lack of oversight
After Reggie Bush the NCAA made it very clear that ignorance is not an excuse, it's just as bad as being complicit
At OSU, Clarett was probably the first one. That is the first one after the last one at Youngstown State.
Do you even have a clue of what took place at SMU or what would constitute the Death Penalty? There will be some form of sanctions, but it will be no where near SMU. A few players receiving extra benefits from a few local scumbags is far different then receiving cash and benefits from people directly affiliated with the school.
I think what people are noticing is that the degrees of separation between these scumbags and the university is narrowing...
Same team. Just leave out the-do you even have a clue-next time. The rest is absolutely valid and I agree with. TSIO is nowhere near the den-of-scum-and-villainy that SMU was but it sure was trying. Someone else blanked you, but keep it informative, not personal. Peace out.
This Talbott guy sounds like a real starf*cker and it's just gross. Grown men getting off on their chance to "be friends with" top college athletes--uber creepy.
Probably not so creepy for him if it was generating cash for him...
Jocksniffer.
The waiting is the hardest part.
The waiting is the best part.
Until we utterly destroy them, that is.
And since this happened shortly after Pryor and Posey first arrived in Columbus, it raises more red flags about OSU's recruiting practices.
Why is this a red flag? This guy has no affiliation with the school. He's POS looking to leach off of a couple of highly ranked 18 year old kids.
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<br>If Tressel/OSU were going to illegally recruit they wouldn't use guys like Rife, Talbott & Kniffin.