The New Tagging System Further Erodes My "Enjoyment" of MGoBlog

Submitted by ForestCityBlue on

There was a time in the "old days" when I actually liked this site.  I discovered this blog during in its early days and at that time it was the only source of Michigan Football material on a daily basis.

Then things began to change...

The whole points and neg bang thing has largely ruined my posting experience. I find people post stuff simply to get up votes, basically kissing up to the board. There are too many "clever" and redundant posters. Restraint is not a virtue among many. Gaining points for simply posting encourages lost of meaningless comments.

At one time I had another account [I suppose I technically still have it] that I had from day one of the "account" era and when points came on board I thought they were a bad idea that would change how people post. It did. But I did manage to accumulate a rather large amount of points over time, a five figure number. Then I had a bad day and someone on the board annoyed me so I ended up spouting off and getting justifiably neg-banged. I am a big boy and can take my medicine, but then I got an automated message that because my one message had received a threshold number of negs [I am still not sure what that number is], that I would be reduced in points below the point where I was a "trusted user."

That pissed me off enough that I walked away from the blog for a while. I have a busy life and it was fairly easy after the first few days not to read the blog, but then during the jihad, came back but did not post anything, and because of that discovered that the rest of my points were being taken away because I had not posted for too long a period.

If in any way points = reputation, then the automatic systems of the blog had completely obliterated my reputation over one hissy post. I walked away again. Then after a while I thought I might start fresh and just read the news and dip into the diaries and the board only if something compelling came up worth commenting on. After pretty much a full season with my new identity, I have managed just a 150 or so points, have no reputation on the board and do not care anymore.

I used to enjoy posting in this community and as I am self employed, I enjoyed the regular banter and dialogue that the board used to provide me. But points and negging has really made me shrug when it comes to the diaries and board and in some ways to the blog as a whole. I read each main page story and sometime have a look at the comments, but for the most part, if it were not that this is the still the best place for Michigan Football news I would have said good riddance a while ago.  Ever since Hoke has been hired Brian seems to be pissy [although in fairness that is starting to diminish].  Over all, though, it has been this stupid points system that has slowly ruined my experience of this web site.

I can understand the need to self police the board and comments, but if Brian is intent on making this system work there needs to be helpful categories such as:

troll, flame bate, idiotic, poorly written, repetitive, makes no sense, insightful, smart, funny, interesting, well written, informative, well researched, sublime, elegant, nails it and the like.

Also, it should take a number of negative grades to make something disappear, something like -5 or -10. That way it encourages people to both rate content and write stuff that people want to read [or just not write in the first place].

There should be no points simply for posting. Reputation should be based entirely on the evaluation of the community.

Like I said, the whole points thing has soured me on the this blog and this board, perhaps irreparably. The exceptions as posters are Misopigon, Magnus and Ctitown...all of whom I find actually add something when they post...

[Edit: now for some reason that i cannot figure out, I can no longer rate other posts, even if I wanted to...]

 

In reply to by M-Wolverine

Michigan Arrogance

May 4th, 2011 at 8:51 PM ^

i assume he means before the ApSt game. before that, it was just haloscan but the site wasn't so big that it attracted Mlive/O$Ucks posters. that was the golden age of commenting. the comments were as well thought out as Brian's content.

ForestCityBlue

May 4th, 2011 at 9:14 PM ^

I am not sure that was the moment, but yeah, basically that is it.  I understand that with growth comes change.  I could handle the points thing even though I don't like it, but what bothered me was getting dinged by the automated systems for one lousy post.  Yeah, it garnered like 150 neg votes, but, hey, everyone has an off day and I was penalized upwards of several thousand points.  And then the few hundred I had left were stripped for doing...wait for it...nothing.  If I don't post, I lose points?  That seems counter intuitive.  If life gets busy or some other reason pulls me off line, I should be able to come back with my points reputation in tact.  Perhaps it is less the points themselves, than the way they are administered.

Steweiler

May 5th, 2011 at 10:36 AM ^

I rarely paid attention to my points, which were few, as I don't post very often.  They keep dropping off and soon I will have none, apparently.  I don't want to try to keep my points by clogging up the board with inane posts that add nothing.  

I have become a wealth of knowledge to my friends, neighbors, co-workers and even strangers when it comes to Michigan sports, mostly football.  I can spout off names of potential recruits, statistics to shut the uninformed bashers up, defensive schemes and I can calmly assess reasons that things went wrong - all because I have been reading this site for about 4-5 years now.  

One thing that I do provide this site is 50-100 pageviews daily.  I suppose a lot of people do the same, even though they don't add much content, either.  Taking points away for inactivity is counter-intuitive.  Taking points away from posters for being a complete troll is pretty smart.

I just hope it doesn't come down to, one day, I get on a plane and am sitting right next to Lloyd Carr or Rich Rodriguez or Mike Boren and have a 2-3 hour conversation but am not able to post about it without having to hijack someone's thread.

justingoblue

May 5th, 2011 at 1:01 PM ^

I'll volunteer to let you hijack the shit out of whatever thread I make in the future for that.

Now you've got me thinking how awesome it would be to get that on MGoBlog. Jim Lahey's five minute conversation with Carr was cool enough, but a whole plane ride?

In reply to by M-Wolverine

ken725

May 4th, 2011 at 9:29 PM ^

I meant to say it was a wasteland and then we got the up/down vote system.  I really enjoyed the old up/down vote system.

clarkiefromcanada

May 4th, 2011 at 10:33 PM ^

Ken, I was around during the haloscan era...you remember the anti-Lloyd mafia (that didn't work out so well) and the high volume of just craziness in posting. The old system of neg rewarded quality posts and hammered the McFarlin/guy with 30 ID's always starting new threads etc.

This new system is less visceral, less immediate than the old one and for me, less relevant.

ken725

May 5th, 2011 at 6:09 AM ^

I don't know if it was during the halo scan days, but I remember a lawyer who came on here and starting talking nonsense.  Some one found his picture and posted it because he looked like a creepy child molester.  He then threatened everyone in that thread that he will sue them.  That was fun really funny stuff.  

I personally don't like the expiring points because I can't stay above 100.  I guess the moral of the story is don't post stuff that can get you pwned by the -1000 neg bomb.  

MGoBender

May 5th, 2011 at 8:58 AM ^

Dude, you're saying it yourself - you got negged to oblivion for something you did.  You deserved it. 

There's a reason points expire - it's the exact reason that prevents what you're doing.  People who used to post, then come back randomly to drop some bombs and flame things/people when they don't care anymore. 

The funny thing is that you could probably just sent Brian an email saying you're a long time poster that made a mistake, express your regret, and explain that you don't want to be prevented from using the board.  He'd probably give you your points back.

Also, people post this stuff because it's funny to the board's main demographic.  You may not be in that demographic, or you may be in the minority.  Either way you're just complaining about something because it's something that doesn't interest you personally, but does interest others.  But there's atleast one person that agrees with you:

ken725

May 5th, 2011 at 12:55 PM ^

I got negged to Bolivian, get it right.  

You should know things before you start making comments that are incorrect.  I am actually a regular poster on here and do not come back randomly to drop "bombs" and flame.

I would never bother Brian about my points.  The truth is I know I deserved the neg bomb so I took it like a man.  I just said I hate the expiring points because I'm selfish and I hate entering CAPTCHAs.

I have no idea who your last paragraph is meant for.  I hope it is for the OP because I love things that most people find stupid.  I was a regular contributor to those awesome late night threads that J Hackney created.  

go16blue

May 4th, 2011 at 8:01 PM ^

The points system is common of the vast majority of message boards. I can get not liking it if you were used to life without points, especially if you dont go on a lot of message boards, etc., but to me it helps identify good posts and reward good posters. It may alienate some, but there are lots of people (like me) who are used to points (i go on reddit all the time, for example). To us, points are a very good thing, and I think it signifiantly enhances my mgoblog experience. tl;dr: Points are the way of the future, man.

david from wyoming

May 4th, 2011 at 7:44 PM ^

Also, if you think mgoboard is bad, volunteer to mod a CiL during a game just once. Sure, the points system has isn't faults on mgboard, but once you see the torrent of poo that a CiL event can be with ~5000 users all trying to say the same juvenile thing...mgoboard starts to look real good in comparison.

BiSB

May 4th, 2011 at 8:16 PM ^

One was Penn State last year. And holy shitbrick, Batman, was that a trip onto the wrong side of the tracks.

Between the dumb comments, the Fire RR ANGAR comments, the UNNECCESARY CAPS LOCK AND !!!!!!! comments, and the dong punch comments, I developed a huge amount of respect for the regular mod types.

david from wyoming

May 4th, 2011 at 8:23 PM ^

My trick was liberal use of the 'ban user' option. Some people would just came right back with a new user names, but it would keep some of the larger idiots from coming back again and again and again, posting the same comment.

I don't know how I made it through modding most of the CiL games last season...

Zone Left

May 4th, 2011 at 8:02 PM ^

The CIL events totally burned me out last season. I found myself visiting a lot less often from Saturday after the game through late Tuesday. My favorite was the people who bitched about the conspiracy against them because their comments weren't posted. Nevermind their comments were something like: "Go Blue" or "BLITZ IM ANGAR." Ugh.

As for the OP, I think you're being a little too harsh. I don't like the new system very much, primarily because great posters aren't rewarded and shitty posters have to rise to the level where mods need to cave them before there's a penalty. I liked the positive and negative system because someone that posted a ridiculous flamebot post would lose 150 points and probably not be able to create content for a while.

That's why I've started temporarily docking large amounts of points from users that create really shitty threads. There's no way for the blog to moderate itself short of caving the user and I think most shitty post creators just need to really see how irritating seeing the same thread created four times in two days or how immature a post bitching about Jim Tre$$el and O$U is and they'll self-correct.

Wolverine319

May 4th, 2011 at 7:53 PM ^

 

IMHO, the biggest fault of the point system is too low of a threshold for trusted user status. It is too easy to get to 100. I paid dearly for one terrible post when Brian dropped the big one on me, the mgonuclear 100,000 pt negbomb. I got posbanged one year later to 100k pts, and during the great mgopoint expiration a few weeks ago I lost the posbang and went back to like -86k points. I just made a new name. I don't have the time to write diaries or I am snarky enough to make up the -86k difference. So I took the lazy way out. 

What I am seeing right now is a few posters with 20k points posbanging or negbangin posts and everyone else follows their lead. 

I also think the tag system needs custom tags. the current selection of tags is not snarky enough. 

Calvin

May 4th, 2011 at 7:58 PM ^

I don't see why anyone decides their complaints are important enough that everyone needs to hear about it. You have gripes, ok. Give suggestions to the board. Seems rather self important that everyone must also read about your undying loyalty and furious gripes about what an awful FREE product you're receiving.

Bb011

May 4th, 2011 at 8:01 PM ^

I love the new tagging. This is one of the few boards that I rarely see troll threads because of all of these things. Everythread is normally relevant/interesting in some respect which once again, this is the only board I can say that about.

Hardware Sushi

May 5th, 2011 at 1:51 AM ^

You do realize that asking for him to ignore trolling is just like me asking you to ignore points and pretend like they aren't there and therefore everyone would just be arguing about something really dumb...

If you don't like certain posters, just download the ultra-mgoboard extension for chrome and hide the users you don't enjoy reading. If you don't like a board topic, don't read it. If you still feel sad,

how you say? WAH wah...

mdoc

May 4th, 2011 at 8:05 PM ^

 

I'm not really clear on what you hope to achieve by posting this. If it's just to vent, okay, but it sounds like that's what got you in trouble in the first place. If you went from 5 figure points to under a "trusted user," at the minimum you got docked well over 9,000 points, so you must've dropped a doozy. 

If you're trying to get every poster on the board to read your treatise, feel shame, and vow to only post quality content from here on out, it would be nice but I'm afraid it ain't gonna happen. You can probably see that by some of the comments that have already been made. 

If you're hoping to incite a revolution and get everyone to rail against the point system, I don't see that happening either. It's community moderation, reward, motivation to make quality posts, and dick repellant (in the sense of being dickish, not actual penis) all rolled into one. If the point system was in good working order like it used to be, I really think it makes the board better, not worse. 

TL;DR version: I'm sorry the band that you listened to first is now really popular and all the tweens and old people like it too, but it's popular for a reason: it's good. If you can't ignore the other fans, you just have to move on. 

kenfizzle

May 4th, 2011 at 8:06 PM ^

I don't know how many points I have because I'm on my phone, but I think it's like 150 and I've been on this blog longer than basically anyone (including TomVH) and even so I get shit for "trustworthiness" whenever I drop a source or something

4godkingandwol…

May 4th, 2011 at 8:09 PM ^

... Generally, i think the point system was a plus.  I really don't like the new "Moderate" system.  Maybe I just got used to the simplicity of the +/-, but I find the new board (the last couple weeks) to be overkill. 

I also don't like that posts get hidden automatically when they receive "troll" votes.  Clunky GUI that leaves replies to posts that are hidden. 

In general, the site is great and Brian's efforts have been amazing.  It doesn't mean that the site is perfect and we should always assume new = improved.  It is a WIP and with the current board design, my participation has definitely decreased.  I only look for a few posters whom I value and skip the rest, which is disappointing, because there is some great humor that can be lost now.

 

mdoc

May 4th, 2011 at 8:22 PM ^

Directly under "Comment Viewing Options" between the OP and the comments, you can set your threshold to -1 and it should show all the comments. I haven't tried it, but that's how it should work. 

EDIT: BiSB posted basically the same thing right below me, but I didn't read far enough down and I went ahead a made a reduntant post in an OP that is upset with redundant posting. So, sorry about that.

BiSB

May 4th, 2011 at 8:09 PM ^

The tagging system erodes your enjoyment of the site.  And "no skinny dipping" rules erode my enjoyment of hot tubs.  But some things are necessary to avoid uncontrollable clusterf*cks. The only thing between this board and MLive is some sense of consequences for stupid trolly comments.  And we're holding on by a fingernail here.

As for vanishing posts, every user can set his or her (okay, who am I kidding... his (Sorry MGoJen)) own threshold.  I have mine set to show all comments, even the negative ones.  Just because YOU want to see dumb comments, and I want to see dumb comments, doesn't mean that EVERYONE should have to see dumb comments.

Finally, as someone who has what could conservatively be described as a shit-ton of points, I can inform you that once you reach a certain number (not sure if it's 500 or 1000 now) of points... Points. Do. Not. Matter.  I received no free t-shirt for cracking 30,000.  I never got my date with Megan Fox (DAMN YOU, RABACK). I didn't even get access to the super-premium content in which TomVH tells me everything he knows. Nothing. And unless you go uber-jackass, getting (and staying) above that threshold is not hard.  So... yeah.

M-Wolverine

May 4th, 2011 at 8:56 PM ^

No wonder I got into so much trouble last time....
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<br>And Raback got Fox, Magnus, Alba...what was left for us? We were sold a bill of goods, my friend.

MaizeAndBlueWahoo

May 4th, 2011 at 11:31 PM ^

Have to give credit to the OP for walking the fine line between constructive criticism and emo whining without crossing into the dark, eyeshadowed side and making some good points besides.  That said, South Bend has nailed it so hard.  Naked hot tub clusterfucks are fun until the one asshole with syphilis jumps in and everyone's regretting the whole occasion. 

A board needs either a reliable crew of moderators big enough that someone's around more or less 24/7, or some kind of points system to keep out the trolls.  And this is basically Brian's livelihood and it relies on scads of board traffic to bring in the shekels, so it needs to be a quality, troll-free product with a reputation.  I'm all for anti-troll regulations and further I'm all for the board police that keep things readable.  I'd rather scroll past cat pictures than crap written by Bucktards with nothing better to do and MLive-quality posts that lack any language structure.