The New Tagging System Further Erodes My "Enjoyment" of MGoBlog
There was a time in the "old days" when I actually liked this site. I discovered this blog during in its early days and at that time it was the only source of Michigan Football material on a daily basis.
Then things began to change...
The whole points and neg bang thing has largely ruined my posting experience. I find people post stuff simply to get up votes, basically kissing up to the board. There are too many "clever" and redundant posters. Restraint is not a virtue among many. Gaining points for simply posting encourages lost of meaningless comments.
At one time I had another account [I suppose I technically still have it] that I had from day one of the "account" era and when points came on board I thought they were a bad idea that would change how people post. It did. But I did manage to accumulate a rather large amount of points over time, a five figure number. Then I had a bad day and someone on the board annoyed me so I ended up spouting off and getting justifiably neg-banged. I am a big boy and can take my medicine, but then I got an automated message that because my one message had received a threshold number of negs [I am still not sure what that number is], that I would be reduced in points below the point where I was a "trusted user."
That pissed me off enough that I walked away from the blog for a while. I have a busy life and it was fairly easy after the first few days not to read the blog, but then during the jihad, came back but did not post anything, and because of that discovered that the rest of my points were being taken away because I had not posted for too long a period.
If in any way points = reputation, then the automatic systems of the blog had completely obliterated my reputation over one hissy post. I walked away again. Then after a while I thought I might start fresh and just read the news and dip into the diaries and the board only if something compelling came up worth commenting on. After pretty much a full season with my new identity, I have managed just a 150 or so points, have no reputation on the board and do not care anymore.
I used to enjoy posting in this community and as I am self employed, I enjoyed the regular banter and dialogue that the board used to provide me. But points and negging has really made me shrug when it comes to the diaries and board and in some ways to the blog as a whole. I read each main page story and sometime have a look at the comments, but for the most part, if it were not that this is the still the best place for Michigan Football news I would have said good riddance a while ago. Ever since Hoke has been hired Brian seems to be pissy [although in fairness that is starting to diminish]. Over all, though, it has been this stupid points system that has slowly ruined my experience of this web site.
I can understand the need to self police the board and comments, but if Brian is intent on making this system work there needs to be helpful categories such as:
troll, flame bate, idiotic, poorly written, repetitive, makes no sense, insightful, smart, funny, interesting, well written, informative, well researched, sublime, elegant, nails it and the like.
Also, it should take a number of negative grades to make something disappear, something like -5 or -10. That way it encourages people to both rate content and write stuff that people want to read [or just not write in the first place].
There should be no points simply for posting. Reputation should be based entirely on the evaluation of the community.
Like I said, the whole points thing has soured me on the this blog and this board, perhaps irreparably. The exceptions as posters are Misopigon, Magnus and Ctitown...all of whom I find actually add something when they post...
[Edit: now for some reason that i cannot figure out, I can no longer rate other posts, even if I wanted to...]
i assume he means before the ApSt game. before that, it was just haloscan but the site wasn't so big that it attracted Mlive/O$Ucks posters. that was the golden age of commenting. the comments were as well thought out as Brian's content.
I am not sure that was the moment, but yeah, basically that is it. I understand that with growth comes change. I could handle the points thing even though I don't like it, but what bothered me was getting dinged by the automated systems for one lousy post. Yeah, it garnered like 150 neg votes, but, hey, everyone has an off day and I was penalized upwards of several thousand points. And then the few hundred I had left were stripped for doing...wait for it...nothing. If I don't post, I lose points? That seems counter intuitive. If life gets busy or some other reason pulls me off line, I should be able to come back with my points reputation in tact. Perhaps it is less the points themselves, than the way they are administered.
I rarely paid attention to my points, which were few, as I don't post very often. They keep dropping off and soon I will have none, apparently. I don't want to try to keep my points by clogging up the board with inane posts that add nothing.
I have become a wealth of knowledge to my friends, neighbors, co-workers and even strangers when it comes to Michigan sports, mostly football. I can spout off names of potential recruits, statistics to shut the uninformed bashers up, defensive schemes and I can calmly assess reasons that things went wrong - all because I have been reading this site for about 4-5 years now.
One thing that I do provide this site is 50-100 pageviews daily. I suppose a lot of people do the same, even though they don't add much content, either. Taking points away for inactivity is counter-intuitive. Taking points away from posters for being a complete troll is pretty smart.
I just hope it doesn't come down to, one day, I get on a plane and am sitting right next to Lloyd Carr or Rich Rodriguez or Mike Boren and have a 2-3 hour conversation but am not able to post about it without having to hijack someone's thread.
I'll volunteer to let you hijack the shit out of whatever thread I make in the future for that.
Now you've got me thinking how awesome it would be to get that on MGoBlog. Jim Lahey's five minute conversation with Carr was cool enough, but a whole plane ride?
I meant to say it was a wasteland and then we got the up/down vote system. I really enjoyed the old up/down vote system.
Ken, I was around during the haloscan era...you remember the anti-Lloyd mafia (that didn't work out so well) and the high volume of just craziness in posting. The old system of neg rewarded quality posts and hammered the McFarlin/guy with 30 ID's always starting new threads etc.
This new system is less visceral, less immediate than the old one and for me, less relevant.
I don't know if it was during the halo scan days, but I remember a lawyer who came on here and starting talking nonsense. Some one found his picture and posted it because he looked like a creepy child molester. He then threatened everyone in that thread that he will sue them. That was fun really funny stuff.
I personally don't like the expiring points because I can't stay above 100. I guess the moral of the story is don't post stuff that can get you pwned by the -1000 neg bomb.
Dude, you're saying it yourself - you got negged to oblivion for something you did. You deserved it.
There's a reason points expire - it's the exact reason that prevents what you're doing. People who used to post, then come back randomly to drop some bombs and flame things/people when they don't care anymore.
The funny thing is that you could probably just sent Brian an email saying you're a long time poster that made a mistake, express your regret, and explain that you don't want to be prevented from using the board. He'd probably give you your points back.
Also, people post this stuff because it's funny to the board's main demographic. You may not be in that demographic, or you may be in the minority. Either way you're just complaining about something because it's something that doesn't interest you personally, but does interest others. But there's atleast one person that agrees with you:
I got negged to Bolivian, get it right.
You should know things before you start making comments that are incorrect. I am actually a regular poster on here and do not come back randomly to drop "bombs" and flame.
I would never bother Brian about my points. The truth is I know I deserved the neg bomb so I took it like a man. I just said I hate the expiring points because I'm selfish and I hate entering CAPTCHAs.
I have no idea who your last paragraph is meant for. I hope it is for the OP because I love things that most people find stupid. I was a regular contributor to those awesome late night threads that J Hackney created.
But I don't know if I read it live, someone had linked it, or I just noticed it when I was reading through the history of the site.
I miss a good troll like McFarlin he gave me lulz
"Got popular", when you meant "site crashes and was destroyed". Though at least there were other posters who seemed to misunderstand in the same way.
Totally agree
You nailed it right there. I agree 100%
Also, if you think mgoboard is bad, volunteer to mod a CiL during a game just once. Sure, the points system has isn't faults on mgboard, but once you see the torrent of poo that a CiL event can be with ~5000 users all trying to say the same juvenile thing...mgoboard starts to look real good in comparison.
You never allow my "that play was so awesome!" posts on the chats?!
Don't wish that on anyone man. I modded the first CiL, Utah 2008. Holy cow I hate people so, so much after that.
One was Penn State last year. And holy shitbrick, Batman, was that a trip onto the wrong side of the tracks.
Between the dumb comments, the Fire RR ANGAR comments, the UNNECCESARY CAPS LOCK AND !!!!!!! comments, and the dong punch comments, I developed a huge amount of respect for the regular mod types.
My trick was liberal use of the 'ban user' option. Some people would just came right back with a new user names, but it would keep some of the larger idiots from coming back again and again and again, posting the same comment.
I don't know how I made it through modding most of the CiL games last season...
I went with the "Holy Shit I'm Never Doing This Again" approach. Not very effective for that game, but it's worked since then.
I was a huge fan of "ban user" too. I typically banned "FireDickRod" about 53 times per game, but he kept on posting. I think CIL wasn't designed to have 1000 users delivering 1000 posts per game.
...DFW. CiL moderating is tough business. Really tests your faith in humanity.
The CIL events totally burned me out last season. I found myself visiting a lot less often from Saturday after the game through late Tuesday. My favorite was the people who bitched about the conspiracy against them because their comments weren't posted. Nevermind their comments were something like: "Go Blue" or "BLITZ IM ANGAR." Ugh.
As for the OP, I think you're being a little too harsh. I don't like the new system very much, primarily because great posters aren't rewarded and shitty posters have to rise to the level where mods need to cave them before there's a penalty. I liked the positive and negative system because someone that posted a ridiculous flamebot post would lose 150 points and probably not be able to create content for a while.
That's why I've started temporarily docking large amounts of points from users that create really shitty threads. There's no way for the blog to moderate itself short of caving the user and I think most shitty post creators just need to really see how irritating seeing the same thread created four times in two days or how immature a post bitching about Jim Tre$$el and O$U is and they'll self-correct.
IMHO, the biggest fault of the point system is too low of a threshold for trusted user status. It is too easy to get to 100. I paid dearly for one terrible post when Brian dropped the big one on me, the mgonuclear 100,000 pt negbomb. I got posbanged one year later to 100k pts, and during the great mgopoint expiration a few weeks ago I lost the posbang and went back to like -86k points. I just made a new name. I don't have the time to write diaries or I am snarky enough to make up the -86k difference. So I took the lazy way out.
What I am seeing right now is a few posters with 20k points posbanging or negbangin posts and everyone else follows their lead.
I also think the tag system needs custom tags. the current selection of tags is not snarky enough.
I agree with the part about needing custom tags. The overall snarkiness of the people on this blog is really entertaining
Negbanged just because I can.
I don't see why anyone decides their complaints are important enough that everyone needs to hear about it. You have gripes, ok. Give suggestions to the board. Seems rather self important that everyone must also read about your undying loyalty and furious gripes about what an awful FREE product you're receiving.
I love the new tagging. This is one of the few boards that I rarely see troll threads because of all of these things. Everythread is normally relevant/interesting in some respect which once again, this is the only board I can say that about.
Do you really need to see a trolling tag to understand that trolling is in progress?
Some people absolutely do.
You do realize that asking for him to ignore trolling is just like me asking you to ignore points and pretend like they aren't there and therefore everyone would just be arguing about something really dumb...
If you don't like certain posters, just download the ultra-mgoboard extension for chrome and hide the users you don't enjoy reading. If you don't like a board topic, don't read it. If you still feel sad,
how you say? WAH wah...
I still do not understand the new moderate features...
Right underneath everyone's signature tag there is a "moderate" button. Click it for a plain +1, if you want to neg or add that it was "interesting, informative or insightful" or whatever click that and then click moderate.
Good things are +1, flamebait, trolling, overrated are -1.
Think of it this way. It's like Who's Line is it Anyways... The moderate function doesn't count.
This post and title reminds me of an E.M. Forster novel.
cry little bitch.
I'm not really clear on what you hope to achieve by posting this. If it's just to vent, okay, but it sounds like that's what got you in trouble in the first place. If you went from 5 figure points to under a "trusted user," at the minimum you got docked well over 9,000 points, so you must've dropped a doozy.
If you're trying to get every poster on the board to read your treatise, feel shame, and vow to only post quality content from here on out, it would be nice but I'm afraid it ain't gonna happen. You can probably see that by some of the comments that have already been made.
If you're hoping to incite a revolution and get everyone to rail against the point system, I don't see that happening either. It's community moderation, reward, motivation to make quality posts, and dick repellant (in the sense of being dickish, not actual penis) all rolled into one. If the point system was in good working order like it used to be, I really think it makes the board better, not worse.
TL;DR version: I'm sorry the band that you listened to first is now really popular and all the tweens and old people like it too, but it's popular for a reason: it's good. If you can't ignore the other fans, you just have to move on.
I think your TLDR version said it better than I could. It's a god damned sports blog that we all read for content. This ongoing bitching about points and all and how these are awarded/not awarded etc. is tiring.
seldomly post. I think this is the best site for info around, with or without points fwiw
I don't know how many points I have because I'm on my phone, but I think it's like 150 and I've been on this blog longer than basically anyone (including TomVH) and even so I get shit for "trustworthiness" whenever I drop a source or something
How can I believe anything you say??? You have fewer than 300 mgopoints so you must be a 19 year old from Idaho living on North Campus who thinks Bo is a character from the Monsters, Inc. film...
/s
... Generally, i think the point system was a plus. I really don't like the new "Moderate" system. Maybe I just got used to the simplicity of the +/-, but I find the new board (the last couple weeks) to be overkill.
I also don't like that posts get hidden automatically when they receive "troll" votes. Clunky GUI that leaves replies to posts that are hidden.
In general, the site is great and Brian's efforts have been amazing. It doesn't mean that the site is perfect and we should always assume new = improved. It is a WIP and with the current board design, my participation has definitely decreased. I only look for a few posters whom I value and skip the rest, which is disappointing, because there is some great humor that can be lost now.
Directly under "Comment Viewing Options" between the OP and the comments, you can set your threshold to -1 and it should show all the comments. I haven't tried it, but that's how it should work.
EDIT: BiSB posted basically the same thing right below me, but I didn't read far enough down and I went ahead a made a reduntant post in an OP that is upset with redundant posting. So, sorry about that.
The tagging system erodes your enjoyment of the site. And "no skinny dipping" rules erode my enjoyment of hot tubs. But some things are necessary to avoid uncontrollable clusterf*cks. The only thing between this board and MLive is some sense of consequences for stupid trolly comments. And we're holding on by a fingernail here.
As for vanishing posts, every user can set his or her (okay, who am I kidding... his (Sorry MGoJen)) own threshold. I have mine set to show all comments, even the negative ones. Just because YOU want to see dumb comments, and I want to see dumb comments, doesn't mean that EVERYONE should have to see dumb comments.
Finally, as someone who has what could conservatively be described as a shit-ton of points, I can inform you that once you reach a certain number (not sure if it's 500 or 1000 now) of points... Points. Do. Not. Matter. I received no free t-shirt for cracking 30,000. I never got my date with Megan Fox (DAMN YOU, RABACK). I didn't even get access to the super-premium content in which TomVH tells me everything he knows. Nothing. And unless you go uber-jackass, getting (and staying) above that threshold is not hard. So... yeah.
No wonder I got into so much trouble last time....
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<br>And Raback got Fox, Magnus, Alba...what was left for us? We were sold a bill of goods, my friend.
Sucks to be you . . .
. . . you get Kirstie Alley.
....he said.
Have to give credit to the OP for walking the fine line between constructive criticism and emo whining without crossing into the dark, eyeshadowed side and making some good points besides. That said, South Bend has nailed it so hard. Naked hot tub clusterfucks are fun until the one asshole with syphilis jumps in and everyone's regretting the whole occasion.
A board needs either a reliable crew of moderators big enough that someone's around more or less 24/7, or some kind of points system to keep out the trolls. And this is basically Brian's livelihood and it relies on scads of board traffic to bring in the shekels, so it needs to be a quality, troll-free product with a reputation. I'm all for anti-troll regulations and further I'm all for the board police that keep things readable. I'd rather scroll past cat pictures than crap written by Bucktards with nothing better to do and MLive-quality posts that lack any language structure.