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Beating Ohio State also…

Beating Ohio State also excited this fanbase...

And for what it’s worth, I’m not advocating for firing Harbaugh right now. But he has drastically underperformed expectations and this year’s team is completely his. And thus far, it looks atrocious. He can still turn it around, but if he can’t, we should explore options.

LSU missing that field goal…

LSU missing that field goal is cosmic justice for attempting it in the first place.

You clearly do “give a rat's…

You clearly do “give a rat's ass about any snowflake political stuff.” You’re making a politically inflammatory statement on a sports blog. So don’t pull this crap.

And for the record, I love Chick-fil-A and wish Ann Arbor had one.

No. Bud Selig is no longer

No. Bud Selig is no longer the commissioner of MLB and they no longer need to carry his water.




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Really? We're talking about

Really? We're talking about the father of a former MSU QB? Why do we care?




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Wow

That was a ridiculously terrible sequence

Yes

Miguel Cabrera plays on a team with multiple star players, while Johnson does not. If one were to poll Tigers fans on who their favorite player is, Cabrera would probably finish first, but there would be a lot of support for Verlander, and, to a lesser extent, Fielder, Scherzer, and others. Whereas if one were to poll Lions fans with regards to their favorite player, Johnson would win in a landslide.

It should also be noted that Johnson has spent his entire career in Detroit, unlike Cabrera. This is not intended as a knock against Cabrera, but at the same time when you look at Cabrera's legacy today, you note that he has one WS ring and he didn't earn it with the Tigers. Seeing as the question is who is the bigger local icon, this seems relevant.

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Wisconsin and ND lost and were fairly knocked out of the poll. Maryland is undefeated and they destroyed the same WVU team that just beat Oklahoma State. They deserve to be ranked given the circumstances.

My observations

There are a number of caveats regarding the MSU performance. The weather was terrible, the WMU secondary is supposed to be halfway decent, MSU played very conservatively, and it was the first game of the year. That said, 12 points and 116 passing yards against a middle of the road MAC team is terrible.

Sample Size

Hossa had a long track record of excellence matched up against a couple good playoffs from Franzen. Basing the decision on a such a small sample of games when it was clear from both regular season production and the naked eye that Hossa was the better player was dumb.

Another reason to dislike him

So we can blame him for not caring all that much about the welfare of student athletes and for Rutgers being in the Big Ten.

I'd forgotten that

Thanks for reminding me that Wisconsin ruins hockey too.

Why?

It's not as if the CCHA could've done anything to prevent the end of the conference. It fell apart because PSU decided to go varsity and North Dakota decided that a WCHA without Minnesota and Wisconsin was not a worthwhile conference to be in.

Ehh...

On the one hand, whatever his feelings might be, anyone with half a brain knows that when you commit to a team, you don't start talking about your undying love their biggest rival. This is particularly true when talking to a reporter.

On the other hand, at least he doesn't have an OSU tattoo...

Wow

This actually might be more ridiculous than Pryor's statement.

I don't see what's wrong with this

I mean everyone kills people, murders people, steals from you, steals from me, whatever.

Well that was horrible

Fortunately, last night happened, so I'm not that bummed out.

Clayton Richard

When he committed, he was rated as the number 4 pro-style QB in the country and we hoped that he would be a strong replacement for Matt Gutierrez for at least his senior season. Instead, he dropped football after Henne passed him, played a year of baseball here, got drafted by the White Sox, and wound up going 1-0 with a 2.77 ERA against the Tigers while there.

Meh

I won't pretend to know whether there was anything Red could do about getting Campbell or Gibson on campus. That said, I do know that before this year, at which point we were desperate, the last scholarship goalie that made it to campus was Bryan Hogan. We lucked out big time with Hunwick, but Hogan's injury three years ago could have just as easily been disastrous. Furthermore, I would argue that we should have taken another goalie when Gibson committed. Yes, hindsight is 20/20, but we'd lost our only goalie recruit the year before and we knew we had no other scholarship guys starting this season, so we should have gotten insurance.

But this is all I'm going to say on the matter because firing Red is insane.

Please stop playing the victim

First of all, your initial post was a short statement saying the Red should be fired and presented no supporting arguments. You knew that would be inflammatory and provoke a number of people to respond negatively. That is the definition of trolling.

Secondly, if you are going to roll around in the mud and issue personal attacks including unflattering comments about another's appearance, then you do not hold the moral high ground.

Finally, your argument that Red should be replaced with Don Lucia is ridiculous and further shows that you do not deserve to be taken seriously. For one thing, Don Lucia wouldn't come here. He's been at Minnesota for over a decade and has his roots in the state, having been born and raised there. For another, Minnesota will match whatever we give him because hockey is more important at Minnesota than here. At Michigan, we have an elite football program and our basketball program is, at the least, approaching its pre-Ellerbe status as a national player. Thus hockey is relegated to number 3 status on campus and it is inflexible. In contrast, Minnesota's football and basketball programs are mediocre to poor on the aggregate, whereas Minnesota hockey ranks among the nation's elite and thus commands more attention from their fanbase and athletic department. This is further augmented by Minnesota high school hockey being something that people actually care about. But most importantly, prior to last season, Lucia missed three NCAA tournaments in a row and barely made the tournament in 07-08. So it's not like his resume is perfect either.

There are valid, thoughtful critiques one can make about Red's recent performance as head coach. For example, there are valid complaints about the recent recruiting of goaltenders and, to a lesser extent, forwards. Another example concerns our middling power play in recent years, especially considering that used to be a strength year in and year out. But you did not make these points. Instead, you whined alot and put out vague platitudes as reasons Red should be fired..

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I miss being able to neg people.

Well...

I mean, how many college athletes are there that you can actually say, "what a scumbag" about?

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I don't know who did that, but I voted this down for complaining about downvoting.

Could be worse

I mean, it's not like they're celebrating someone who attacked a reporter or an opposing player. Because that really would be incredibly embarrassing.

Ugh

This is tear-inducing

It means that they aren't sure

Deferred means that the admissions committee is not prepared to grant early admission nor outright reject and application by the early action deadline. She'll either be accepted, rejected, or waitlisted during the normal decision period.

Being Objective...

Being objective, it is not all that surprising that they would be close given the rating system. Scores of 0-5 are given in each of the following categories:

Food & Beverage

Atmosphere

Neighborhood

Fans

Access (Ease of parking, navigating the arena, etc.)

Return on Investment (Overall cost vs. experience)

Discretionary bonus points

Yost maxed out the atmosphere, neighborhood, and fan ratings. Lawson did not. However, Yost had mediocre scores in the other categories, allowing Lawson to catch up and win with awarded discretionary points. Moreover, different authors rated each arena, which also likely had an effect.

How to not objectively rank things

Lawson beat Yost by a single point (which is ridiculous considering that Yost is far superior, but that's beside the point). From the detailed section on Lawson:

An extra point is awarded for the opportunity to catch a homecoming doubleheader, with the Broncos taking on Bowling Green in football earlier in the day.

So essentially, Lawson is rated above Yost because the author went to a football game between two crappy teams earlier in the day...

Also, Yost scored higher than Lawson in boh the fan category and the surrounding neighborhood. Lawson made up the difference by having free parking and cheaper tickets. So in terms of the actual experience, Yost ranked higher, as it should. Similarly, when combining the fans and atmosphere categories, Yost stands alone at number 1 in the state, with full ratings in each.

Rebuttal

Why 4 conferences of 16? Because that is what PAC & SEC commissioners have said they wanted before. They run the show, they will make it happen. Even Saban mentioned that is inevitable today to ESPN.

I have several issues with this statement. First of all, the Pac 12 commissioner, at the very least, wants a system of 16 team superconferences with Texas in the Pac 12 so that the Pac 12 Network is a fixture in Texas. As long as the LHN exists, that cannot happen. Similarly, the SEC will only expand if they can add teams that will improve the finances of all of their members without substantial opposition. At present, there are no teams that fit that bill outside of Oklahoma. And Oklahoma is tied to the hip with Oklahoma State. Finally, nobody making these decisions cares what Nick Saban or any other coach thinks. For example, Syracuse petitioned to join the ACC over the objections of Jim Boeheim both recently and in 2003. And there's no way that most of the Big Ten coaches were chomping at the bit to play Maryland and Rutgers in conference.

Furthermore, the Pac 12 & SEC commissioners do not run the show. There are, at present, 5 major conferences, a number of lessor conferences, and a number of major schools outside the Big Ten, SEC, and Pac 12 that have a lot of leverage in the process. There is no strong central direction here. It's a bunch of individual entities clamoring for more money as media rights for sports skyrocket.

PAC can certainly expand to UNLV, BYU and few others, even without Texas and Oklahoma (even though that is desperately what PAC commish wants).

If Stanford, Cal, and co., some of the most liberal universities in the country, agree to invite BYU, one of the most conservative universities in the country, I'd be very surprised. Also, what exactly does UNLV and BYU get the Pac 12? They bring few new markets and middling national profiles. The Pac 12 schools will only add new schools that they believe will increase their own payouts. Only Texas and Oklahoma can do this. By and large, the same goes for the SEC at present.

If all teams wanted was stability, we would still be a Big 10, not Big 14 Soon To Be 16.

All teams want most is to be financially secure for the long run. The Big Ten schools were making tons of money before the addition and will continue to maek tons of money afterward. That's because the Big Ten is not at risk of losing members and is thus stable.

Why is BTN so important? Ask Yankees and Angels about having their own sports network and how lucrative they are. This thing is just getting started. Cable companies do not like having to pay $6-$8 per subscribers for ESPN. They want more competition. BTN can provide plenty. It is not unreasonable to think that vast majority of B1G games in the future will be only on BTN.

Finally, The Big Ten Network is important, but it is not as important as first tier rights. I say this because despite having a heavily undervalued series of first tier rights contracts, we're still making somewhere around $11.4 million per school to my best approximation. In contrast, the per school payout from the BTN has yet to cross the $10 million mark and that is not dramatically undervalued. When 2017 rolls along, the Big Ten figures to make an absolutely ridiculous amount of money from ESPN or whoever.

Some flaws here

The bluebloods of college sports are pairing up to form 4 super conferences (with at least 16 teams each) that will divide up the country like the market barons of old and extract every cent of TV money they can by creating sports networks to go along with those conferences.

OK, for one thing, the idea that 4 super conferences is inevitable is inherently flawed. For one thing, who is the Pac 12 going to add going forward? Unless the Big 12 falls apart, the answer is nobody, because the only sensible additions for the Pac 12 to make are Texas and Oklahoma. They'll take a couple other teams to make the move politically palatable for them (probably Texas Tech and Oklahoma State, although if Oklahoma went elsewhere, things might be different), but that's the only way they expand. What the Pac 12 will not do is take Texas as long as the LHN exists, because the Pac 12 uses the Pac 12 network to make a ton of money off second-tier rights.

Second, the SEC has little reason to expand further at present. They had a chance to get a foothold in Texas with Texas A&M and took it and added Missouri because they had to get to an even number. They'll need another highly attractive target before they expand further. And said target cannot be located in Florida, Georgia, or South Carolina because all three schools have stated that they are completely opposed to adding another team from their own state, undoubtedly because of the competitive advantage they have in said states at present.

Finally, it should be remembered that the conferences are not vying for power and money in a zero sum game against each other. Instead, ithe individual schools within each conference want to ensure that their conference is first and foremost, stable. Then, each individual school within the conferences want to increase their overall payout from the conference. The Big Ten is guessing that the additions of Rutgers and Maryland will increase the per school payout, meaning that the average amount of money a school brings into the conference with Rutgers and Maryland is greater than the average amount of money a school brings in without Rutgers and Maryland. This is questionable, as it relies on the Big Ten getting the BTN on basic cable in New York. There are a variety of reasons that this may or may not happen, but I will not go into them now. What I will say is that it is probable, but not certain.

Three of those 4 super conference are already set with B1G and its BTN, PAC and the west coast, and SEC, with its super lineup of football powerhouses, the lord of the southeast. The last open spot will be a battle royale between Big12 and ACC. But who is going to win that last spot? Most of you just shrug your shoulders and say “who cares?”

But Jim Delany certainly cares. He cares because there are were four seats available at the table and he wants to make sure those seats are filled by the biggest whales who can fill the B1G’s mighty coffer.

Again, why does there have to be 4 super-conferences and why 16 teams in each. At present, the ACC's weaker TV deal and questions about its stability may give the Big 12 the ability to pick off certain schools like FSU and Clemson. However, this issue is largely contingent on how much of the buyout Maryland winds up paying. Maryland can afford to put a lot of money from a Big Ten TV deal to the buyout. This might not be true for teams going to the lesser payout of the Big 12. And then there's the question of whether there exists 6 willing schools that can put the current Big 12 schools in a better position than they are now. I would argue that there aren't. Certainly the addition of FSU would help, but that's really it because the Big 12 cannot make a strong TV network as long as the LHN exists.

Big Ten Network is the teat that B1G suckles on. What is good for BTN is good for B1G (at least money wise). So, how does BTN make its money? From cable subscribers (more specifically, regional cable networks who offer BTN as part of a low tier package) – and more subscribers there are, more money B1G will make.

Nope, actually we make much more money from our first tier rights deals with ESPN, Fox, and CBS than the BTN.

Now, you also go on about how we need to attack the ACC and how we would not add GT because we'd be playing second fiddle to the SEC in Georgia and a number of other similar ideas. This is the wrong way to look at it. The Big Ten does not care aobut being the number 1 game in town in every market we have a presence in. In DC, for instance, I would not at all be surprised if the ACC gets better ratings than the Big Ten due the number of ACC teams clustered around the area relative to Big Ten teams. It doesn't matter, however, because we'll still be making money from there. Similarly, when the SEC took Texas A&M, they didn't care at all that the Big 12 would still be the dominant draw in the state. They just wanted to increase their presence in a series of highly-populated football-crazy markets.

Likewise, the Big Ten does not particularly care whether or not the ACC or Big 12 falls apart. If the Big 12 for whatever reason decides to raid the ACC of 6 teams (assuming they go to 16, which I don't see happening but whatever), there will still be enough important unaffiliated teams on the east coast to form a decent enough conference. We wouldn't pick them up because none of them are really worth it for the current member institutions. And if the Big 12 fell apart, it wouldn't really affect the Big Ten either all that much either because its not as if we really covet Kansas or anything.

I'd blame Brandon...

I'd blame Brandon for not pushing for us to be in a division with OSU in the first place.

Yep

Agreed, although I'm not exactly sure that Michigan, OSU, and PSU would be happy with that from a competitive balance standpoint. On the other hand, PSU may well be a smoking crater of a program once the scholarship reductions kick in, so that objection would go away.

Ways to realign the divisions

In the event that this truly awful plan comes to fruition, I see two logical methods of dealing with the divisions. First, you could simply add Maryland to the horribly-named division with PSU (they have an old rivalry they could renew) and Rutgers to our horribly-named division. However, in light of PSU football being severely weakened and the (presumed) desire on the part of Michigan to be in a division with OSU and Wisconsin to be in a division with Nebraska and their historical rivals, you could reformat geographically (with designated cross-divisional rivals):

East West
Michigan Michigan State
Ohio State Wisconsin
Penn State Nebraska
Indiana Minnesota*
Purdue Illinois
Maryland Iowa*
Rutgers Northwestern*

*These cross-divisional games are interchangeable.

This decision has a geographical justification, but would irritate a number of teams. MSU, would lose Michigan from the division and a sweetheart deal where they play an easier schedule than most of their current opponents on the aggregate with a guaranteed game against Indiana. Illinois would not be happy about not having either Ohio State or Michigan as a yearly game, seeing as they consider both schools to be significant rivals (hahahahaha). The same is true of Nebraska, Iowa, Minnesota, and Northwestern, although getting Wisconsin every year lessens that issue. Ultimately, however, this is an alignment that all schools can live with.

Now, having discussed all of this, I will say that I cannot for the life of me see how the list of teams I'm looking at makes for a stronger league (competitively or economically) than that list of teams without Maryland and Rutgers. Both schools would be perrenial bottom-feeders of their division no matter what their alignment and neither of their football programs command any sort of significant loyalty in their respective markets. It's a mind-bogglingly awful idea.

Hmm...

You sound like a USC fan

Double Post

Crap

It's not really worse now than earlier in the decade

I have never seen the student section full at game time for a noon game against mediocre-to-bad opponent. It has been somewhat better during stretches when the team was better, but that's to be expected.

That said, turning the section into GA (or largely GA if you want to keep the first something rows as reserved seating to reward people for earning priority points for previous attendence, which would encourage attendence at other events) would get people in earlier. Yes, the section is something of a free-for-all, but people who do show up ridiculously late can and do kick people out of their reserved seats.

A lockout would suck massively, but...

Lol Minnesota

I hate to say it, but...

...with two of the most storied programs in the conference currently banned from postseason play, maybe we should avoid trashing the ethical standards of other conferences.

Trout and it's not even close

This season, Trout has gotten on base more, hit for both power and average at a better rate than Cabrera, stolen 36 bases through early August, and played great defense at a difficult position. Trout is clearly more deserving and I say this as a Tigers fan.

I would disagree with that

Loading the bases in a tie game is very difficult to justify when your pitcher has walked the 8 and 9 hitters and is generally having trouble finding the zone. Furthermore, the only way that Cabrera can get the run home with the runner on first and the outfield playing back is with a homerun or a perfectly placed hit (or a misplayed ball, although that's more or less equally likely to happen with anyone up and a defensive with the bases loaded is more likely to let in the run). Thus, the percentages favor pitching to Cabrera in that specific situation. Unfortunately for Cleveland, Cabrera hit a bomb.

Uhh...

Why did you use the word probably in the caption?

Not really

First of all, attempting to convince people on the internet who are clearly irrational that they are wrong is pointless. Secondly, what is said in the comments section of a college sports blog is completely and utterly unimportant and if a disillusioned fan does not wish to participate in a comments section, there is no moral imperative for them to do so.

The only people who have a responsibility for policing these internet communities are the people that run them.

Not Possible

ND doesn't want to join the Big Ten.

Uhh...

Between two major Supreme Court rulings, uncontrolled wildfires in Colorado, and the large array ongoing issues in both Europe and the Middle East, further confirmation that PSU did not react properly in the Sandusky case ranks pretty low.

Or...

Or they could, you know, just change the RR scale to allow for more differentiation between players instead of creating a system where you peg players into preset values that probably doesn't accurately reflect the actual differences between them. Even if the preset distribution is reasonably good at matching up to relative talent differences (I sincerely doubt this is the case, but whatever), there's no reason not to just use their evaluations as the sole criteria since they presumably evaluate the difference between each player in order to make their rankings in the first place.

This is stupid

Under the logic of this system, the #1 player in the country is worth 250 points and the #2 player is worth 233, meaning that the #2 player on the country is judged to be 93.2% as valuable as the #1 player. Then the #3 player is judged to be 99.6% as valuable as the #3 player. But these arbitrarily assigned relative values almost certainly do not resemble reality.

Va Tech is not happening

The Virginia state legislature forced UVA to leverage Va Tech into the ACC in 2003 over Syracuse. They will not let Va Tech abandon UVA now without UVA having an equally good fallback. Furthermore, even if Va Tech could leave UVA behind, they know that doing so would poison relations between the schools, which is not good for Va Tech if they care about academic partnership's with the state flagship.

Just to be clear

The reason that the other conferences have an incentive to support bowl games over home sites is that it gives them an implicit competitive advantage by screwing the Big Ten. Home sites is more fair and would be more profitable.

Rebuttal Rebuttal Rebuttal

What 1. shows is they've already conceded the home playoff games, and now they can't go back and say "we want them" and be taken seriously.  However, the other side can say "we never thought we should take anything but the top 4 teams" or whatever stupidity the Big Ten is fighting for, and look consistent. And then the Big Ten ends up with jack shit.

This is a fair point, but I personally think that looking consistent isn't very important to the decision makers. As evidence, I present pretty much everything a non-Big Ten School/Conference has said about conference expansion/reconfiguration and the NCAA Rules Enforcement system. Because there's no outside body holding people that has the power to hold people to their word when they say something to the media, the only real consequence of inconsistent statements is some bad PR.

The Big Ten has as much or more leverage than the rest.  The Big Ten doesn't join, and it doesn't really change the status quo. But it does invalidate the system. They tried that once with the Bowl Alliance, and people hated it more than the BCS.  You end up with 1997. A playoff needs the Big Ten for it to be new and effective; the Big Ten dosen't change much by holding out to get what they want.  The default is to renew if they can't come to an agreement, so the playoff proponents have the deadline, not the league.

I don't think this holds true in a playoff system. If the Big Ten were to back out of a playoff and the other major conferences participated, then even if the Big Ten champ is rated #1 after the regular season, the best they can do is beat 1 more top-10 team, whereas the winner of a playoff will have beaten 2 equal-if-not-better teams. Furthermore, the people involved with a playoff will probably require any poll they're involved with to rank the playoff winner #1 at the end of the year, if they even allow Big Ten teams to be ranked at all. Except for the rarest of occasions, this would mean that the Big Ten champ would not be eligible for the national championship. Furthermore, it is doubtful that the Rose Bowl would agree to a Big Ten tie-in since they'll be involved with the playoff, meaning that we'd have to agree to a mediocre bowl tie-in that would match us up with teams outside of the top-10 as often as not. So a playoff formed without the Big Ten's cooperation is not necessarily a non-starter.
 
Meanwhile, if we try to hold out, the other conferences can screw with us all kinds of ways. For instance, they can all jointly refuse to schedule us in basketball or stop agreeing to bowl tie-ins with us. These would be extreme steps, to be sure, but if we play hardball with the other 4 major conferences (sorry Big East, but you don't qualify any more) then they can certainly return the favor.

I don't think there's much poll basis to say causal fans favor the bowls.  Most polls are in favor of a playoff, not the bowl system. And this is speaking as someone who likes the bowls. But the ESPN driven media has been beating the playoff drum for so long, most people believe we need a playoff, even if the average person doesn't know why.

The question is not whether casual fans prefer a playoff to bowls, but whether they prefer bowl sites to home sites as part of a playoff. However, you are right to say I have no poll evidence for this, so I withdraw the point. As for your last point, I think we had a communication error because I'm not really sure how it applies to anything I said.
Rebuttal

1. I think Shoe's comment above is correct in the horsetrading aspect of this, but, if so, Delaney and the ADs are doing it wrong, politically. You don't publicly abandon what had been a strongly stated position (home playoff games to achieve locational parity) without first receiving concessions on the selection process. And you announce them all at once, to avoid the impression that you got rolled.  The stupidity of the Rose Bowl protection process that Brian points out, to me, shows that Delaney and the ADs may be good businessmen (almost certainly are, given the financial health of the conference) but they're bad legislative politicians, and setting this up is much more akin to writing legislation than arranging business contracts.

I could not disagree more. This much more akin to arranging business contracts than writing legislation in that the people making and implementing the playoff system are doing this to make more money. There are no real consequences to appearing to roll.

2. The Nietzschian term that Brian closes with (Will to Power) is exactly descriptive of what the Big 10 lacked. Delaney and the ADs folded not because of a lack of power, but because they were unwilling to utilize the power of their position effectively. They obviously could have easily marshalled the vast majority of Big 10 fans behind them, given the reaction here. They could have also easily convinced the coaches through appeals to the competitive advantage home playoff games would provide. I suspect they also could have easily swayed key voices in the media in favor of that situation. And they could have easily shown that at least the Rose Bowl would be protected. All of those would have carried a lot of weight.

First of all, the Big Ten's leverage in this negotiation is minimal. The Big Ten doesn't really have the option to not be involved in a CFB Playoff so they cannot pull out of negotiations. Furthermore, the only conference that would actually benefit from having home-site playoff games is the Big Ten. The other conferences that will likely produce playoff teams, namely the SEC, Big 12, Pac 12, and maybe even the ACC, all benefit from using bowl games. So none of them were going to agree to home sites or even a northern neutral site game, which only serves to benefit the Big Ten.

Secondly, with regards to Big Ten fans, the commenters on Mgoblog are not a representative subsection. Mgoblog commenters supported Rich Rodriguez well after most of the fanbase turned on him and many here still feel that he did a good job under the circumstances, unlike the vast majority of the Michigan fanbase. Casual fans and older fans are, by and large, in favor of keeping the bowl system around and would have to be convinced to support home sites, thus making it difficult to rally them in the cause.

Finally, even if Delany managed to get Big Ten fans up in arms around the cause of home sites, what would that actually accomplish? The answer is almost certainly nothing because unless fans are actually willing to boycott travelling to and watching playoff games not held at home sites, then the other conferences still have no incentive to agree to home sites.

The major competitors in college football are disproportionately found in southern, warm weather areas where the important bowls are held. Unless that changes, the Big Ten will not have the necessary leverage to get playoff games at home sites because it will always be to the advantage of these teams to oppose home sites and the possibility of having to play up north.