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Will be living in SF by the time we may play a bowl there, but do I really want to watch this mess in person?

Me too!  When I was a kid in

Me too!  When I was a kid in the '80s, my dad played on an adult league team that won some contest for him to skate with them for a practice.  My mom, brother, and I had to wait for over an hour after the practice, because Gordie not only skated with the team, but also sat in the locker with them drinking beer and telling stories for as long as anyone was willing to stay and listen.  Then he came out and spent a bunch of time talking to all the kids and families too.  Really a nice guy.

Obviously speaking only to

Obviously speaking only to football, where Brandon thinks he has some sort of insight he can offer on film sessions/coaches meetings, etc.  I doubt Beilein, Berenson, or the woman's badminton coach have a ton to worry about in that respect.

Man this argument is so

Man this argument is so annoying.  People will sit through and take a bunch of BS when the team is winning, granted, but not sitting through and taking the same BS while also watching the team lose doesn't make the BS any less BS.

At this point I don't even

At this point I don't even care if he ends up being wrong, it's just nice to hear.

Attempting to look

Attempting to look rationally, then: why such a focus on Brandon over and above Hoke this week if everyone is just upset about the football team's record?  

Would there be as much of an immediate firestorm if our record was better?  No, definitely not.  Do I think the protests/petitions were really to express outrage over the handling of Shane on Saturday?  No.  I think people seized on that issue and the national attention it brought to bring up other issues that have been simmering for quite some time, and the handling of this most recent issue after the fact, way more than the incident itself is what has people so angry this week.  But the criticism of Brandon has to do with way more than our recent record.

Are you intentionally

Are you intentionally ignoring all of the other reasons people have been complaining about Brandon and calling for his job the last few years (ticket prices, WOW issues, student alienation, horrendous communication and PR debacles, etc.), or are you actually that obtuse?

/s?

/s?

Not sure where to put this,

Not sure where to put this, so I'll just add it here, but I for one am looking forward to tomorrow when the attention turns back to the actual football on the field and I can return to the state of comfortable apathy I was complaining about a week ago.

IF anybody was offended by

IF anybody was offended by anything, he's sorry.

 

EDIT: embed fail
 

DB "When we get it wrong, we learn from it, apologize for it if we offend anybody. We're in the business of trying to make our fans happy."

This has been my hope too.

This has been my hope too.  If they did come back with something damning, I think it's the one thing that could really push this over the edge into real action.

I think firing both now seems

I think firing both now seems to make a lot of sense (definitely Brandon, but Hoke too).  Yes, short game week for the interim to piece something together for Rutgers, but it's also a first game at Rutgers -- a pretty good dry run out of the spotlight before coming home to PSU UTLIII and then at MSU.  If I were named the interim (and I officially accept if offered), I would prefer the practice game at Rutgers (win or lose) to starting at home in prime time.

Yup: "I have instructed the

Yup: "I have instructed the Athletic Director to provide . . . a thorough review of . . . ."  Brandon isn't going anywhere soon, and he's somehow still seen as the correct person to take on this mission.  :(

EDIT: my bad, it says Athletic Department, not Athletic Director -- could be a good sign, could be nothing, but definitely means I need better glasses to read this tiny message.

Same here -- not to mention,

Same here -- not to mention, you know, spending time on my actual job.

I was thinking about this

I was thinking about this yesterday.  The one small silver lining I can see is it at least seems as though the broader community (students/alumni/fans, etc.) are much more together than they were in 2010.  That was the worst part of 2010, we were all fighting with each other in a very polarized way.

Looks like he fount it!
 

Looks like he fount it!

 

Probably should have just

Probably should have just gone with "I'm not here to talk about the past."  That always seems to work.

For me it's not so much a

For me it's not so much a voice in my head as my internet browser helpfully trying to remind me that this is a "502 Bad Gateway" every few minutes since Saturday.  Sadly, I continue to ignore it, hit refresh, and walk right back through said bad gateway.

Not far from Jackson Rd --

Not far from Jackson Rd -- maybe when coming from Campus he thought he was already that far?

Same here -- moving to the

Same here -- moving to the peninsula in November, and won't make it back to Ann Arbor for any other game this year.

People around here are pretty

People around here are pretty sure he's going to be an NFL HC in the not-too-distant future, but if he would come, seems like a decent choice to consider.

No, the time to PANIC is

No, the time to PANIC is clearly NOW.  I agree with your second point, though.

Josh McDaniels, no.  The rest

Josh McDaniels, no.  The rest of the list I have no opinion on.

I say we hire whoever is

I say we hire whoever is Princeton's current coach -- seemed to work last time.

Agreed -- said this in

Agreed -- said this in another thread, but Brandon has commercialized this program to all hell, it's time we used some of that money to hand a blank check to whatever the best available coach happens to be available at the end of this season.

Hopefully Brandon's

Hopefully Brandon's commercializing the fuck out of this program will finally come in handy -- it's time to empty the truck and finally hire a real damn head coach, whatever the cost.

Really?  Seems weird to

Really?  Seems weird to maximize the advantage for the lower seeds -- not much of a reward for finishing higher.

1988 Miami (YTM)

I went to a lot of games when I was little, but the memories are very hazy, and mostly consist of times playing football with the other kids on the grass by the house that used to be in the stadium -- which I thought had to be the coolest house to live in ever -- and watching the toilet paper stream down the student section after touchdowns.

My first vivid memory is the game against Miami when I was 10.  They were ranked number 1 at the time, and I remember how excited I was to get to go to the game since, like Brian, the big games were usually reserved for the adults up to that point.  Sadly, though, we lost.

Ha, largely as a result of

Ha, largely as a result of his -- and his successor's -- ineptitude, I've really come to like current Colorado coach Mike Macintyre.  He seems like a good person, and as a CU alum myself, it's so nice to have a coach that at least appears to know what he's trying to do.  Now, if only he can actually succeed at it, we may be on to something.

Last year's Madden deal was

Last year's Madden deal was supposedly the same -- had to have DirecTV or live in an apartment that couldn't have a dish.  I just told them I couldn't have a dish where I lived, and they didn't put up any fight (or do any extra verification) that I can remember.

36 too, so, thanks for

36 too, so, thanks for throwing out that ugly number.

Related maybe, but I think

Related maybe, but I think the move means the funding comes from completely different sources (University as opposed to AD), which explains the timelines.  

Ah, sorry, was just

Ah, sorry, was just responding to who he may have been putting hypothetical receiver behind of to say 3rd or 4th. 

Have to go D 2nd and 3rd at

Have to go D 2nd and 3rd at least.  Maybe Stanley Jean-Baptiste?

Golden Tate?

Golden Tate?

I don't think the question is

I don't think the question is "which has had worse issues, Rutgers or Penn State?" but, rather, which was the worse mistake from an intivting-them-into-the-conference perspective.  The BIG (hopefully) knew nothing of the then far in the future PSU issues when they joined the conference, but it did know -- or should have known -- that Rutgers was largely a bad idea invitation from day one.

I'm usually wrong about these

I'm usually wrong about these things, so I'll say 7-5 (7-6) in the hopes that my track record continues.

Cool story, bro: saw him

Cool story, bro: saw him tailgating outside what used to be the Parkman Printing building on Hoover before UTLII

Baseball probably works

Baseball probably works better -- like Joe Torre retiring from the Yankees/Dodgers to go coach UCLA.

I think Gary Anderson may

I think Gary Anderson may find his way on that list as well.

This is exactly how I feel

This is exactly how I feel (also renewed on the last day after thinking about it for a long time).  I mentioned it in another thread on this subject, but the "product" off the field is a lot more concerning to me than the one on it -- I never remember worrying about the prices, or whether to renew, even during the worst RR years.  I'm still hanging on to mine almost entirely for the ability to go back and visit family and friends that I usually end up only seeing when we're all back in town for football games.  I would have already gone the Stub Hub route, but said family and friends have sat in the same group block since the early 70s and I don't want to be the one to ruin it.

As for the poll:

Student/Alum/Did not attend:  Did not attend -- tickets taken over from parents who have had them since the late 60s.

Number of previous seasons you purchased season tickets, as student or not, excluding 2014:  35

Number of tickets renewed for 2014:  4

Number of tickets NOT renewed for 2014:  0

Bonus question:  Did the Nuss hire or the Penn State night game announcement sway your decision?  no

I totally agree with these

I totally agree with these posts.  I'm not here to say Dave Brandon is evil for the way he's running the AD -- I hate much/most of it (football-wise, as well as in other areas) -- but it's his department to run.  If they can maximize profits doing it their way, and that's what they care about, more power to them.  I'm just finding myself less and less interested in being a part of it.  

I renewed my season tickets this year almost entirely due to family/friends pressure to keep our large block of tickets together and not have random people sitting in the middle of them (where my tickets are).  For the first time in my life, though, I felt zero excitement about buying my tickets this year.  I guess in some ways it could be called fair-weathered, but for me at least, it's not even about the product on the field, or really even the schedule -- I never felt this way during the lowest of the RR years -- but the whole experience (of going to games, dealing with the AD, all of it), and the detachment I feel that was never there before.  As attending Michigan games moves closer and closer to the experience of attending NFL games, the less I'm interested in going.  They may not care, and many my fellow fans may not care -- I don't have any ill-will towards the "don't let the door hit you on the way out" crowd, and I understand their sentiment.  But I don't think I'm alone in feeling like the unique experience that is/was attending a Michigan football game is dying, and as the costs increase, I'm warming to the idea of just watching on TV.  I take no joy in that, or in seeing an empty stadium, but I also don't want to sit in that empty stadium created by what I think is a lot of corporate greed.  

 

Honest question -- doesn't

Honest question -- doesn't "need-based self-help aid" just mean the students were offered loans?

Just curious -- have you sat

Just curious -- have you sat in row A before?  For what it's worth, I found it interesting for a game or two to be close to the field, but it's really hard to see from down there.

Ugh, this sucks.  I guess

Ugh, this sucks.  I guess it's partly just a result of getting older (35 now), and the fact that more of these stories are being reported in the Intenet age than it seemed like they used to be (which is a good thing, mind you), and also the combination of both of those with the NCAA issues, the over-the-top marketing of everything, the insane arms race (both for athletics and non-athletics) that is burying students in mountains of debt, etc., but I'm really finding my interest in college sports -- especially big time college sports waning these days.  For the first time ever, I didn't feel even a little tinge of excitement when I submitted my season ticket renewal yesterday, after finally deciding to do so.  I'm still posting here, so I obviously still care, but I feel like I have to stop paying attention and just completely bury my head in the sand, or accept the fact the fact that someday soon, I won't care at all and will have to walk away to something else.

Sorry for the whining.  /end rant. 

While I can't deny the

While I can't deny the literal truth to what you said -- the connection is "different" -- I very much disagree with the implication that the connection is somehow closer or better.  As someone who was born in UofM hospital, raised in Ann Arbor my entire life (before leaving the state for college) by UofM alumni parents (as well as several other relatives), who has had relatives work in the AD, and still pays for season tickets even though I live a couple thousand miles away and can only make a game or two a year, I resent the idea that one would assume my connection to "this place" is somehow lesser than some guy from NJ who had never thought of Michigan until college application time and hasn't been back since he graduated 20 years ago (for instance).  /end rant

That was my first game back

That was my first game back in a while too, but I blame part of that on the fact that it was the day after Thanksgiving.

F5 F5 F5 F5

F5 F5 F5 F5 F5 F5 F5 F5 F5 F5 F5

Instead of finding someone

Instead of finding someone else to run a portion of TWC's business, I'd think they'd be more likely to make the combined company divest more of the content they control -- specifically, some of their regional sports programming rights.

I'm not advocating for either

I'm not advocating for either side -- and to be honest, as a consumer, I agree with your argument -- but in their (TWC/Comcast) view, that only works when looking backwards.  They will likely argue that, in the coming years, cable/satellite will be just one way of accessing things like Netflix/HBO, and that their actual cometitors include mobile networks, wifi, Google, Amazon, smaller fiber providers, and any other company capable of providing access to content in the home.  This is (in their view) more of a hedge against competition from outside the traditional cable/satellite market, than it is about creating a monopoly within a traditional home-access market.