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3 weeks 2 days ago Michigan's senior talent level was a joke

I guess it's not much of a surprise, but its still shocking to see it.  Rutgers, UConn,  all sorts of shitty schools had more drafted players than Michigan.  Of course, as has been widely noted, the B1G lacked talent across the board, with Indiana, Minnesota and Northwestern getting shut out, one guy getting drafted from Purdue, one guy from Iowa.  Just a total embarassment for the conference.  In the eyes of the NFL, the ACC was hugely more talented.  And god help any comparison to the SEC.

3 weeks 6 days ago Nice to see that by winning

Nice to see that by winning the contest,  Denard is making a little coin.

6 weeks 4 days ago But Webber ISNT Cam Newton,

But Webber ISNT Cam Newton, Terrelle Pryor, or Reggie Bush (actually, he may be closer to Reggie Bush, but Bush is an interesting dude himself).  Webber  has turned himself into an excellent basketball commentator.  He's widely respected, even in light of his accepting money at UM and his pot bust(s)[?], both for his intelligence and his style of play at his peak.  He's not just a winner (in fact, he was never much of a winner!) and he's not just an athlete.  People take in the totality of Webber - the good and the bad - and conclude that he's impressive.  He is a credit to his alma mater.

Webber did bad things, but so have a lot of other people.  He's also done a lot of good things - both athletically and off the court.  He is not a bad person - he is a person who has done some bad things.  As have you, as has everybody.

Why do we get to judge Chris Webber? Why does he have to apologize - and if he has to apologize, why does he have to apologize to US? Why is Chris Webber held to a different standard than the countless other Michigan athletes who did bad things, who commited crimes or cheated or were deadbeat dads?

Webber should be welcomed because everyone like him is welcomed, and because its the right thing to do.  And it makes the university and everyone affiliated with it look petty, judgmental, and frankly, immature to reject him as some sort of unmentionable.   

6 weeks 4 days ago Herm,why do you need to forgive Webber?

I have no interest in forgiving (or not forgiving) him.  He didn't do anything to harm me. 

If I thought he was a real bad dude, I wouldn't want him repping Michigan, but no one argues that Webber is a real bad dude, at least by athlete standards.  Seems to be in the muddled middle.

6 weeks 4 days ago Herm,why do you need to forgive Webber?

I have no interest in forgiving (or not forgiving) him.  He didn't do anything to harm me. 

If I thought he was a real bad dude, I wouldn't want him repping Michigan, but no one argues that Webber is a real bad dude, at least by athlete standards.  Seems to be in the muddled middle.

6 weeks 4 days ago I would be deeply disappointed

I would be deeply disappointed if my son was judgmental, and had failed to learn to see the world as more than a black/white place after four years of college, where I'd hope that he's being exposed to literature, art, etc.. that teach us about the complex nature of humanity.   I'd be sad that he was such a shallow man.

6 weeks 4 days ago Do the same rules apply to everyone at the university?

What percentage of Michigan alums who win a big NCAA pool report the cash winnings to the IRS?

What percentage of Michigan alums cheated on a test in high school or college? Or got "help" on a paper?

That someone has done bad things does not, in and of itself, mean that they are bad people.  If Michigan refused to allow back any alum who did wrongs that were akin to Webber's, reunions would be lonely affairs.  

6 weeks 4 days ago It's the folks who are angry at Webber who are the embarassment

It amazes me that there are folks out there - Michigan alumni, no less - who can hold such viciously anti-Webber views.  He shouldn't be associated with the program!  He's an EMBARASSMENT!  I AM STILL ANGRY!

Really?

The argument, as I understand it, is that Chris Webber shouldn't even appear on a jumbotron screen because he accepted booster money and then lied about it under oath, and this caused the basketball program 20 years of wandering in the desert. 

First , even ifWebber caused the basketball program to collapse, the analogy to Exodus holds, in that the program could have - and should have - been rebuilt quickly.  That our time in the wilderness was an inexpliciable 20 years was the fault of a heck of a lot of "Michigan Men"   - but NOT Chris Webber.

Second, why Webber?  Lets not rationalize what he did - Webber broke rules and committed perjury.  But is Jimmy King also radioactive? What about Jalen Rose?  I wasn't aware that players who had committed crimes should be abandoned by their alma maters.  Does Georgetown pretend that noted perjurer Bill Clinton never attended their university?

Third - and this is the most important point - Webber, while complex, is in many ways a credit to the university.  His influence on American pop culture is outsized, not just as a member of the Fab 5 but during his NBA career.  He's carved a successful second career for himself as a commentator, and he's damn good at it.  He's not just "an athlete", and his intelligence and public life are a credit to Michigan or any university that helped shape him.  But as an athlete - he was terrific.  The great Sacramento Kings teams played as beautiful a game of basketball as you'll ever see, and Webber ran the show.  He was skilled and intelligent on the floor.

Now, I'm not arguing to beatify Webber.  He's a complicated guy.  He did, after all, break the NCAA rules and perjure himself.  He was viewed as a chemistry killer for the first part of his pro career.  He really, really liked marijuana.  But there are a lot of positives along with those negatives.  No realistic assessment of Webber can conclude anything other than  "its not all good or all bad, but he's a interesting and influential guy".  And this is a guy who should be banished, because he wont wash our feet and accept responsibility for every bad thing that happened to Michigan basketball since 1993? 

Personally, I'd rather have Michigan athletes be Chris Webbers rather than guys who follow all the rules, never say or do an interesting or intelligent thing and teach gym to 10th graders for the entirety of their post-Michigan lives.  But even if you disagree with my personal preference, having the opinion that this is OBVIOUS and he SHOULD NEVER BE BACK probably means you never really "thought" about Chris Webber.

 

 

30 weeks 2 days ago the pilgrimage

When I was 9 or so, I heard my dad talk about his time at law school at Michigan. I could tell you he said it was the greatest years of his life, but that wouldn't be true. He said there were three fun things to do in Ann arbor back in his day - watch football, drink beer and slap waitresses on the ass as they walked by.

My dad, the immigrant with the funny accent, the little, grey-haired guy who did nothing but read contracts and listen to opera, once watched football, drank beer, and slapped waitresses on the ass? For this American kid that was the greatest and most improbable thing I'd ever heard. I was all in, right there. Rooted hard for Michigan ever since.

And it's been a long road, watching from afar. Leading how to say Biakabatuka, and watching him roll over OSU like it ain't nothing. Hearing Keith Jackson welcome you to some windswept, flurrying Midwestern town that seemed a million miles away, watching Michigan on late fall afternoons. Wishing I'd end up at Michigan, and then through the vagaries of life, never goin to school there. Or even visiting.

But today, I'm standing on the balcony of my friend's apartment in Detroit. Soon, we're going to get in the car and drive west. And I'm going to see everything.

I'm going to see he apartment where my dad lived. Maybe the bar he drank at. The stadium he sat in, watching the only football he ever watched. I'm going to see the biggest stadium in the country, the best band. After 25 years, I'm going to see a Michgan football game. And I'm going to see them beat the hell out of State.

Go Blue.

37 weeks 2 days ago The answer is easy

Today, they were the better team. But we got a little closer today. And tomorrow, we will get closer, and the next day, and the next week, closer still. And I can promise everyone in this room that one day, and the day is not far away, this team will play an Alabama and it will beat an Alabama. We're not there yet, but we will be.

1 year 1 week ago really? downvoted for dissing on XKCD

in proper meter and rhyme from the original song, with a play on the "you'll say a better major general has never sat a gee" line, and I get a gray-out? way harsh.

1 year 1 week ago You make it sound like

You make it sound like writing words to G and S is difficult

Nerds and college students - yes, this comic has a motley cult

Appeal to guys with too much time to waste - it's quite a strategy

Who else would read sophomoric crap and say "I love XKCD."

1 year 4 weeks ago Please don't go!

First off, everything said upthread about no jobs, six figures of nondischargable debt, brutally difficult and competitive profession- all true. Do not become a lawyer.

But another point - I see talk about treating it like a job, or effort. This is bullshit. You cannot "work" law school. One of the oddest aspects of law school is that the ability to get good grades is, essentially, random, and very poorly correlated with past academic experience. I was a diffident UG student with middling grades, got to LS, and basically could not get lower than an A- unless I tried to fuck up. I worked -1hr a day, got a great job, and am now a happy, successful lawyer.

All of my close friends were harder working than me -by multiples. All are as smart as me. All had better pre LS records. It didn't matter. LS exams don't reward hard work. They reward some ineffable knack which you either have or you don't, and if you don't, you're screwed.

Some people say that if you really want to be a lawyer, you go anyways. This is wrong. There are some thing you want to really do that you don't do out of consideration for the collateral damage you cause to those around you. You don't go home with the pretty young thing at a bar once you're married. You don't ride a superbike when you have a kid at home. And you don't go to law school and play the lottery, when the odds are you will be nothing more than a burden on your loved ones for years after.

I was at a top school, with my tuition paid for by an inheritance, no career and single. Maybe I could justify it. You so affirmatively cannot. Please, please, don't go.

1 year 16 weeks ago how are they called in dallas

If, in fact, Craig James murdered five hookers at SMU, as is alleged, how would they refer to that in Dallas?  Would they say "Craig James killed five HOOKERS" or "Craig James killed five PROSTITUTES" or "Craig James killed five WHORES" or "Craig James killed five STREET WALKERS"? Would they say that Craig James KILLED five hookers or MURDERED five hookers or SLAYED five hookers or DISMEMBERED AND MADE A SCRUMPTIOUS HOOKER STEW OF THE FLESH of five hookers?

I am fascinated by linguistics and these questions intrigue me.

1 year 35 weeks ago I normally find Brian's

I normally find Brian's analysis pretty damn astute, but I find it hard to believe that someone could've watched that first half and laid blame on the scheme, not on Denard.  He missed open receivers, threw that turrble screen INT (which wasn't a function of Denard being 5'11", but a function of Denard trying to bring the "no look" pass into football), and was just generally wildly inaccurate.  We're not winning anything with first-half-Denard, unless we run a true wing-T.  Meanwhile ND has its safeties selling out on the run so hard that they must've felt bad for us every time we ran into a sea of gold shamrocked helmets.  Hard to run when every gap is filled.

Ain't no scheme thing when your QB drops a stinkin' turd.

1 year 36 weeks ago A sound as sweet as Denard's

A sound as sweet as Denard's smile is bright.

2 years 9 weeks ago Mortimer: Randolph!

Mortimer: Randolph! Randolph!

Randolph: I'm still not talking to you!

Mortimer: Look!

Randolph: Mortimer. We're back !

3 years 35 weeks ago Those who stayed ARE...

Those who stayed ARE...

4 years 31 weeks ago in support of the boo-ers

One can boo, yet still believe that the new regime should be given time.

The players did not play well. The have not been playing well. They have more talent, even in a eviscerated, cupboard-bare year, then Toledo.

Booing is a simple statement: that you think the teams performance is an abomination. It has nothing to do with betraying the kids. It doesn't matter that they "tried hard". I was a professor, of sorts, until recently. I had kids who tried hard, and did terrible work. They got and D's and F's. A boo is a F. Losing to Toledo is an F.

Cheering in this context is, at best, patronizing.

 

Boo, loud, long, and until they start to win. 

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