"You can't make me," Hoke said. "You're not my father."
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|1 min 13 sec ago||Yes||
I don't often agree with you...but on this I am in 100% agreement. You can't separate the two because they're both true, with one (2-3) providing context for the other (Morris incident). Remove/change the context (5-0), and would perception change? Of fucking course it would, because context matters! That's why I was quick to point out that ND was just one game...at the time, there was no indication whether that was an aberration or the beginning of a pattern for this season. Well, we obviously know now.
Another analogy. Climate change. One hurricane or heat wave can not definitively prove or disprove climate change...one piece of anectdotal evidence does nothing. But start accumilating things, and it's clear you've got a pattern.
To then make the argument that "things would look different if all that other evidence was different" is like, so much "no shit sherlock".
|1 hour 59 min ago||Come on , Hoke. You're smarter than that.||
Don't resort to this BS "it's not my fault" crap. Take some goddamned responsibility. And know the damn rules...of course you can take a timeout there! No, not an injury timeout. You need an *injury* for that. Crazy, I know.
|14 hours 43 min ago||Ugh||
Honestly all I ever hear when I see a quote like that is "Brandon will look for a Michigan coach with Michigan ties to Michigan the most Michigan for Michigan. Michigan."
|18 hours 2 min ago||Of course they can.||
Anytime we say or think things can't get worse...they do. I thought things couldn't get much worse after the ND loss...and then Utah happened. That game felt like things couldn't get worse, what with a monsoon and an offense that couldn't get out of its own way...and then Minnesota happened and the offense looked even worse.
So let's dispel the notion that things can't get worse. They can. And they definitely can with an interim coach too.
|20 hours 31 min ago||General comment||
I hate when someone negs another poster for asking a legitimate question. This board has definitely gone a little crazy this week. I mean, some outrage is justified of course...but holy hell, some of y'all need to relax a little bit.
To answer your question...it depends. But there are only 7 regular season games left, and I think if Hoke will be fired you have to know after the OSU game. So if hegoes 5-2...probably not, especially if the two losses are to MSU and OSU. If he goes 6-1...maybe, because it means that he's beaten MSU or OSU. If he goes 7-0, then yes because Michigan will be in the Big Ten Championship game, though this is a laughable low possibility at this point..
|21 hours 21 sec ago||I agree||
I have a big problem with the call to boycott. Maryland is senior day. So great, let's turn our backs on Devin Gardner (among others) on senior day? That's an awful, awful idea. I know what the intent of the boycott is, but if it would be at the expense of senior day for the students, it is decidedly NOT worth it. Surely there's a better way than a boycott. The players deserve better. There are ways of getting the point across without collateral damage. And besides, I think it was made loud and clear this week...so I'm not sure to what end a boycott will accomplish anyway.
|21 hours 19 min ago||Why I will watch||
FIrst, because there is no level of apathy that can completely rip away my inner passion and deep care for my alma mater.
Second, because of all sports, one of the biggest reason I watch college football is for the drama. Literally anything can happen on any given Saturday. How else do you explain the Ohio State game last year? Now, do I expect them to beat Rutgers? Probably not. Which is truly sad. But I still hold out a faint hope that maybe, just maybe, the offense can get it's shit together and give me a reason to cheer. It's completely irrational. My brain is telling me it's not going to happen. But...
...college football is weird sometimes. Right when you think you've got things figured out, you get thrown a curveball. Michigan started 2007 with The Horror and The Hangover, and ended up by beating Urbz with Heisman-trophy winner Tebow at Florida (in between their two national championships). Something that Ohio State couldn't do. So, you just never really know, even when you know (you know?)
|1 day 19 hours ago||One caveat||
I think game theory is good but the analysis completely disregards an important but immeasurable factor...momentum. As a comeback team, momentum is everything. In my mind, going for 2 on the first score potentially damages momentum before you've really gained it. But if you wait until the next TD...well, all of the sudden you think "hey we have a shot here", the defense gets more nervous and plays tighter, and if you get it all of the sudden pressure is completely on the other team. Even if you don't get it, knowing you need two more scores is less daunting than knowing you need three.
|1 day 23 hours ago||Double post, sorry.||
I only clicked the button once, I swear!
|1 day 23 hours ago||Are you Dave Brandon?||
"It is time to let the process work."
If the process hasn't worked to this point (and there is quite a bit of ample evidence to support this), then sometimes you have to force the process. That isn't to say that we shouldn't trust the president and regents to do the right thing...but they need to know, now more than ever, how displeased and angered the fans are over this, especially since they likely ARE going to consider soon whether DB should be kept or not. We all have a voice and there is nothing wrong with using it...the last thing we should do is sit back and do nothing.
|1 day 23 hours ago||Yup||
It seems like the mismanagement that occurred since the game has been even worse than the original incident, if we are to believe that everyone is speaking the truth about what they knew and when they know it (and that's quite a hefty assumption anyway).
|1 day 23 hours ago||I do not understand the Mullen hype||
I mean, prior to this season we were all lamenting the possibility that Hoke was a career mediocre 7-8 win coach. And nothing out of Mullen shows any different. The caveat that he's doing it at Mississippi State only gets so far, and comes nowhere close to explaining his futility against top 25 teams and SEC teams in general. Not every SEC team is Alabama.
I'd rather take a risk than get a guy like Mullen, because he simply does not have a great track record. Sure, he got Mississippi State a bowl streak, but I think we need to aim higher than just a bowl streak.
|2 days 2 min ago||The only nightmare scenario||
at this point is a statement from the president and/or board of regents saying they think DB handled this matter well and that they back him.
As long as no such statement exists...I will hold out hope that they are backchanneling ways to get a smooth transition between firing DB and hiring his replacement.
I will hold out hope that the report yesterday that Bates and Manuel were contacted has any remote shred of truth to it, despite Bacon's assertions that it didn't happen. I will hold out hope that regardless, that signifies *something* is happening behind the scenes.
Brady Hoke is a dead man walking...that was inevitable. What is confusing though is how DB basically fed Brady to the wolves and yet he's still the coach as of today. Which leads me to believe maybe he didn't feed him to the wolves...intentionally...but that he was actively trying to get the statement to not include any mention of a concussion. Of course, that's 100% pure speculation, but I applaud the medical staff for seemingly standing up for what is right. Obfuscation to teh press for sports is a cute thing to quibble about when everything goes smoothly...but it looks completely and utterly absurd when shit hits the fan. The fact that Db cannot separate his corporate mindset from the proper collegiate athletics mindset and Michigan mindset here is, well, very damning. And like Hoke, it's a clusterfuck culmination of previous clusterfucks where DB has had teh exact same response of dumb move, retraction/denial/calling fans ignorant, and active sweeping it under the rug. There's a countless list. This Morris incident not only is the cherry on top, but the inevitible shitty ceiling to how far that strategy can go.
|2 days 2 hours ago||I agree||
But it all comes back to one simple question...how come not one person saw the hit and Shane's obvious wobble?!? If the medical staff didn't know...what were they watching? And, whose job is it to inform them of a potential head trauma injury? It baffles the mind that not one adult saw it or took action on it.
|2 days 2 hours ago||My only question is||
What is the culpability of the medical staff here? I refuse to believe they would willingly ignore a potential head injury...but of all things it still completely baffled me that *not one* person on that sideline saw the hit, Shane's clear wobble, and thought "man, this guy needs to be tested for a concussion". It sickens me. Not one! What was the medical staff doing?Twiddling it's thumbs? Did literally no one see the hit or wobble? It just boggles the mind. I'm pretty pissed at Hoke and the coaches, but I have just as many problems with the medical staff on this...and the problem is no one is appearing to take responsibility for it.
|2 days 2 hours ago||If true||
I'm ashamed that they tried to commit a blatant coverup. That's not the Michigan I know and love. The Michigan I know stands up and takes responsibility for their actions, always striving to maintain integrity and to tell the truth, however painful it may be. It's sad and embarrassing.
|2 days 9 hours ago||Uh, no||
Then again he also didn't take a direct fucking shot to the head.
|2 days 16 hours ago||Here's the deadspin link||
Here's teh deadspin link
|2 days 17 hours ago||Norman||
Working at OU. So it's somewhat ironic that I'm defending Okie State on this blog...but...hey, whatever.
|2 days 17 hours ago||Living in Oklahoma||
I can tell you the discussion on this article in local sports radio was about the SI article's credibility. Not unlike stretchgate and the Free Press Jihad we went through under Rich Rod. Some of it may have been true, but the reality is so distorted by the article that it's hard to believe anything.
The players interviewed were all dismissed from OSU for various reasons including drugs. They aren't exactly credible sources.
The guy who wrote the article (Evans) is an OU alumni with a deep bias against OSU. Not even close to objective. He's had it out for OSU for a long time now. Like, an actual track record of it. So, this isn't exactly an unbiased article. The fact that they decided to split it up into SIX parts leads me to believe that they are grossly oversensationalizing real events that took place (or just making shit up).
In other words, I wouldn't read too much into that six-part crap.
If you don't believe me, here's an article in Awful Announcing directly addressing it, which also mentions a Deadspin article that has a comprehensive breakdown of each of the players that were interviewed in the article.
So...yeah. Mike Gundy is a man. He's 40. Well, 47 now. But I'd be cool if he wanted to coach at Michigan, though I honestly don't know if he'd really want to leave OSU.
|2 days 18 hours ago||So...both of them||
So...both of them.
|2 days 22 hours ago||Ah, yes, good point||
Didn't even think about that. But yeah, if he turns the wrong way ona handoff, then he likely keeps the ball and tries to run to pick up yardage. And will get hit again.
|2 days 22 hours ago||This incident.||
This incident alone didn't get people to think Hoke should be fired. No, many were already thinking that after Utah. The Minnesota loss solidified it in stone, barring the nearly impossible 7-0 finish.
No, this incident changed people's opinions from "He should be fired at the end of the year" to "He should be fired NOW". Mainly because it doesn't feel like an isolated incident, but instead a culmination of incompetence that had been building ever since the Akron game last year.
So in the thought-bubble of "Would we respond this way if Michigan was 5-0?" The answer is a no, probably not, but I also think the situation would have been near impossible to occur. First, Shane Morris wouldn't be in the game. So, if we were 5-0, it would be Devin Gardner with a hobbling leg and head shot. How would we react? I have no flipping clue, honestly, because reality is so far different from 5-0 (it's a whol new bizzaro-timeline in which Michigan has righted course and Hoke actually appears to be a competent coach...) that to even bring it up as a hypothetical doesn't even make sense to me given the events that did unfold.
But in this hypothetical where Michigan is 5-0, and against Minnesota Devin Gardner had 49 yards passing, looked increasingly immobile from a leg injury, had two bad turnovers, was down 23 points in the 4th quarter, and then got hit so hard in the head that he couldn't even remain on his feet because it appears he's having concussion-like symptoms and the coaches left him in the game? Yeah, I think we'd still be pissed as a fanbase. And you know what? I bet you some would be calling for Hoke's head anyway...he was on thin ice this year, if he lost to Minnesota that would not help things. But it certainly wouldn't be the seemingly uniform opinion that is held here, and I doubt in that situation anyone would call for his immediate firing.
So, yeah, wins and losses matter in how we react to this poor management. But it's because those wins and losses have significant context in them.
|2 days 23 hours ago||Don't be so obtuse||
If he's not in the game, there is a 0.0 percent chance he gets further injured.
A handoff gives the QB relatively low odds of getting hit, sure.
But what about if there's a fumble? What if Shane dives on the ball and a Minnesota player does at the same time, causing another head on collision? What if a DE had stuffed the play so quickly that he actually hit Morris as he was handing the ball off? Yes, the odds of that are low...but when a player is injured, especially to the head, you don't take those odds. Ever.
|3 days 1 hour ago||Bronxblue||
I love your weekly game diaries. They're great.
|3 days 3 hours ago||I think there's a legitimate criticism in there||
20 seconds left in a 31-0 blowout...coaches are often leery of having the starter in there to protect him. Save him for the next game....the season is a war, you've already lost the battle, so cut your losses and move on. Unfortunately, not only was he left out there, but they called a pass play which opened him up to be hit. Obviously the hit only happened because of the INT, but he was just as likely to get sacked.
|3 days 3 hours ago||Or if they did||
They sure as hell wouldn't be calling a pass and opening him up for the opportunity to get hit again (that's kinda on both Nuss and Hoke tho)
|3 days 17 hours ago||Thank you||
I think you stated much more eloquently what I was trying to say in another comment above. Even before the TV crew knew the hit was a helmet-to-helmet to the head they were openly pleading the coaches to take out Morris. When they saw the replay and that it was a headshot they got much more animated about it.
|3 days 17 hours ago||Yes||
" I just hate to see people twist this into a Hoke doesn't care for his players thing when it's pretty clear that this is just another in a long string of incidents where he's been caught deer in headlights style during games."
Well, that I completely agree with. Absolutely.
|3 days 17 hours ago||I didn't say it at all||
I was simply pointing out that the situations were completely different. You can't compare injuries so directly, because each situation is unique unto itself...that's why I think there is no double-standard.
Is it OK to play someone when there hurt? Depends on the injury and the situation. That's really all I meant.
But once the injury involves the brain...the answer should always, ALWAYS, err on the side of caution. The score doesn't matter...but the fact that they were down 23 points at the time certainly doesn't make it look any better that they kept him out there.