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|2 days 16 hours ago||It IS out of the ordinary.||
"What I will say is that as long as I get what I want, I'm happy. And I don't care how I get it. It seems like that opinion is out of the ordinary."
It IS out of teh ordinary. Especially at a place like Michigan. Do you really want a football team that oversigns, cuts players and schollies, does things that violate NCAA rules just to get a team that is good? I sure as hell don't. Part of my deep fandom with michigan is the perception of doing things the right way. Now, Michigan is far from perfect in that regard. But I like to believe it is better than the average Power 5 school in terms of following the rules and doing things the way that the NCAA intended them to be. One of the reasons why I held out hope for Hoke for so long (and if I'm honest with myself, still do even now that his chances to succeed are vanishingly small) is that Hoke definitely embodies what it means to run the program "the right way" with how he treates his athletes.
That's important to me, and I suspect, many other Michigan fans. I wouldn't want that to go away all in the name of winning. I don't have a "win at all costs" mentality with Michigan. Maybe that's why Michigan will never be elite...I don't know...I just refuse to give in to the idea that Michigan can't win by being Michigan. Shoot, Northwestern never changed it's identity and yet they found a way to be a successful program with Pat Fitzgerald.
That might have been tangential to the DB topic, but I think it's still relevant to the idea that we shouldn't care how we get what we want as long as we get it. Because in my opinion, we SHOULD care.
|2 days 17 hours ago||Intentions don't matter? At Michigan of all places? Disagree.||
Intentions matter. If his intentions were to maximize revenue and to do it at all costs, then that's a problem. In fact, that's THE problem that many have with DB to date.
If his intentions were to lower student ticket prices only because of the massive public pressure and backlash he's received, then that's a problem. Because as that old saying goes, "The ends don't always justify the means." Why did it take this long for DB to get the message? Why wasn't he seemingly listening to students before the the chants, the petitions, the letters, the fucking rallies?
What he did here is good. Lowering student prices is good, obviously. But it definitely matters what his motives are. And it could be true that he has good intentions in all of this...but you have to forgive me and many others here who have a sense that his intentions are not at all pure given how things have unfolded.
|2 days 17 hours ago||The man waited until public pressure was too high||
Look, the move is good, obviously. But it's also plainly obvious that there are ulterior motives associated with this move, and many are still bitter that it took THIS much pressure before DB finally relented. That's not exactly "responding to a request", that's caving in to insurmountable public pressure.
Applaud the move, fine. But you can't chastise people for thinking that DB's motives are, at best, suspect, given his rich history of PR "miscommunications" and oddly timed things.
|2 days 18 hours ago||RE: accessible||
I remember when you could just walk into Michigan stadium if you felt like it. Then DB came in and shut it off from public access.
That kinda seems like the overarching metaphor to what DB has done to "Fort Schembechler" since taking over.
|2 days 19 hours ago||He's a risk,||
He's a risk to be hired as an offensive coordinator at Michigan, let alone the head coach. It's great he has had success at the Mines, but how his style translates to Division I football is not at all clear. I, frankly, don't understand the obsession.
|3 days 20 hours ago||Eh||
Most teams wouldn't do very well when their third string QB is suddenly thrust in the game against a pretty stout defense.
|5 days 18 hours ago||My last post on it||
Hoke called the timeout not expecting a Hail Mary but a punt. It was just a touch of gamesmanship, to which Franklin responded with his own (a Hail Mary not a pubt). Honestly, that's it. I think we just need to leave it at that. I don't know why so many are dwelling on it.
|6 days 15 hours ago||Yeah||
The "sources" thing does bring doubt into it for sure. Who the hell knows though. Maybe it's denial, but I refuse to think that the coaches were THAT obtuse about that situation. And whether it was for the right or wrong reasons...the coaches still made a risky, but justifiable move, and still made the proper adjustment once Denard went down and Bellomy was clearly NOT the answer.
|6 days 15 hours ago||I'm not necessarily defending the timeout||
Personally, Hoke should have just let the clock run out, or yeah, taken the timeout with at least 10 seconds on the clock to give Penn State less incentive to run a hail mary and risk handing the ball to Michigan with time on the clock.
But I'm just saying it's not the worst decision of the game, and that it's nowhere near the worst decision of the game from either coach. And honetsly, it's nowhere near the worst decision Hoke has made this year. So I'm going to cut Hoke a little slack for something that really wasn't nearly as bad or "incorrect" as some are making it out to be.
|6 days 15 hours ago||In hindsight, sure||
But it's impossible to know how a kid will respond in a game until he...gets put in a game. Criticizing the coaches for it after the fact seems a bit unfair, especially since they addressed the issue immediately after the Nebraska game ended anyway.
(Tangential thought...I remember something about how the FSU coaches were leery of how Winston would play in the game given how goofy of a freshman he was. It's not like they knew he was a Heisman-level QB before his first snap at FSU.)
|6 days 16 hours ago||Really,?||
I'm sorry, but the timeout from Franklin in the 4th quarter was objectively worse than Hoke's timeout at halftime, and it's not even close. The decision is OBVIOUSLY PUNT THE BALL because you are not converting 4th and 32 from the 1 yard line. The timeout saved all of one yard and more or less forced them into a situation where they needed an onside kick recovery AND a touchdown...rather than a defensive 3-and-out with 2 timeouts to burn clock and a drive for just a field goal to tie.
Also it seems to me that Penn State's decision to throw a hail mary there is arguably as risky as Hoke's decision to force Penn State to run another play (what if Hackenburg had fumbled the ball, or thrown an interception that got returned for a TD?). In the end nothing remotely terrible came of it anyway. I was definitely confused by it at the time...but I think it was just some gamesmanship, that's all. Is there a little bit of confirmation bias going on here? Because now it seems like any decision Hoke makes is automatically the wrong one just because.
|6 days 21 hours ago||I didn't gave a problem with the timeout||
It was strange, for sure. A little gamesmanship on Hokes part, and Franklin responded with a little of his own by not punting. Had Hoke called timeout at least 5 seconds earlier it might have forced a punt. In the end it was inconsequential, nothing remotely notable happened on the Hail Mary. So I'm not going to sit here and tell at Hoke for trying something different, even if he didn't "execute" it well.
|1 week 15 hours ago||Ugh, injuries||
I've felt the same way about my Red Wings the past 5ish years...why the hell can they NOT avoid injuries, ever? I guess sometimes bad luck is really really bad.
The bye week could not come at a better time...hopefully the extra week off will get the injured the rest they need to get back into shape to contend with Sparty.
|1 week 15 hours ago||I agree||
And add the odds of recovering an onside kick are around 10%. Multiply by the odds of driving 60ish yards for a touchdown...not very good, but given the wasted timeout it's the best they had at that point.
|1 week 16 hours ago||I've seen false starts where the player barely moves||
I've seen a defensive lineman barely get across the LOS and the offense got a free play out of it.
|1 week 16 hours ago||Wait||
So now we're criticizing Brandon for not creating an evironment like every other stadium?
Look, I want DB fired ASAP. He's done more harm than good. But I can also recognize real success in the UTL productions...So far UTL has been a great thing for Michigan. I don't know of any other teams in the country who do halftime marching band light shows.
I don't know how long these yearly UTL things can last, but this was only its third time ever in Michigan's long history. I'm not going to fault DB for something like that. In fact, DB actualy deserves quite a lot of credit for making UTL happen, considering Michigan had stubbornly refused to do any night games until 2012.
|1 week 16 hours ago||I agree||
Hagerup has been doing those short line drive punts far too often the last two years. Yesterday was completely different. Every punt had great air time and pretty good distance. His only real slip up was a punt that sailed 5-10 yards too far and made it to the end zone.
|1 week 18 hours ago||Yes nicely done||
And for all of you fawning over OSU's halftime show earlier this year and saying "Why can't our band of that?!?" Welll...here you go. Great production.
|1 week 1 day ago||Have you stopped to consider||
That maybe that's his way of getting amped up for the game? That's his way to stay loose and ready for the next play? To stay focused? Everybody's different. He looks like the type of guy that plays better when he's engaged and having a little fun.
|1 week 1 day ago||1st quarter was disturbing||
Michigan gave up two very long time consuming drives, fortunate that each ended up as FGs only. The INT put them in a bad stop, but they still had a chance to stop them on 3rd and goal and they didn't. It was disturbing to see Belton averaging 7.0 ypc after his first 8ish runs.
|1 week 1 day ago||For fuck's sake||
What possible reason could ANYONE think after the first 6 games of the season that Michigan "should have dominated" a 4-1 Penn State team? Also, 256 yards of offense sure isn't inspiring, but PSU has a legit good defense, Bellomy had to play two series and Gardner was significantly hampered by injury. Also, our defense had begun to completely shut down PSU's offense. These things affect playcalling, ya know. In the end, it was a win.
|1 week 1 day ago||Go blue!||
Winning is much better than losing. Posbang orgy to celebrate!
|1 week 1 day ago||Great slate of games||
Made even better by the fact that I don't have to go stream hunting for any of them except a crappy MSU game I have no interest in watching.
|1 week 2 days ago||PLease tell me||
How approximately five to ten thousand students will go from "not in the stands" to "in the stands" in the 40 seconds between the kickoff and snap #1. And even if that's the plan...it's not going to look like a boycott at all, it's going to look like a bunch of lazy students showing up late because they don't care about the team anymore.
|1 week 2 days ago||Oh come on.||
I am not in any way going to believe that Hoke was "bullied by fans" into making the Qb change. Nobody in that stadium is as knowledgable as the coaches on the strengths and weaknesses of their QBs. The idea that fans would force their hand is, frankly, asinine. And if it is even remotely true, then Hoke needs to be fired right now.
And the idea that every fan who wanted Morris to start is an "idiot" is insulting. Hindsight is always 20/20. But going into that game, Gardner had shown next to nothing on the year to warrant automatically keeping the job, and many of us thought he was hiding an injury of some sort. Obviously by the 3rd wuarter it was clear we were so so wrong, and I'm willing to eat crow on that, but it wasn't that ridiculous of an option at the time.
|1 week 2 days ago||Just listened to the audio clip for the first time||
Man, I feel really bad for Hoke. He is not handling the pressure well. I hope for his sake whatever happens the rest of the year, he ends on a high note and can be politely asked to resign with his dignity intact. He is not evil. He bleeds maize and blue. He cares as much as someone could care about Michigan football, his players, and most importantly things that go well beyond footbal. He just cannot handle the job anymore. It may be unpopular to say this, but I'm going to root for the whole TEAM, Hoke included, to beat Penn State. They all desperately need a boost to salvage the season. It scares me that 2-10 is a realistic possibility (if you think things are bad now, imagine how bad we'd look at 2-10...it can always get worse), so I hope to God that Hoke can rebound and get his team to a respectable bowl-eligible finish.
|1 week 2 days ago||Right.||
I'm sure the boycott definitely does not send a message from students of any sense of entitlement whatsoever. Nope, not at all.
There are shades of grey everywhere, and it bothers me deeply that some on the "pro-boycott" bandwagon completely dismiss the idea that this harms the students. Because it fucking does. Intentions be damned (the road to hell is paved with good intentions).
|1 week 2 days ago||Ok, GENIUS.||
#2 HAS ALREADY HAPPENED. The diag rally was an embarassment to the administration, for sure. Not many athletic directors have ever had rallies to be fired like that. I live in Oklahoma, and they generally don't give a shit about Michigan, especially when they're not good...but even the local sports radio talked about it for 5 minutes! And by the way, they were uniformly against the students' response...so the protests you may think are just and right, but without a clear concise message it looks to outsiders like a bunch of bitter students rallying becuase they don't like losing and they just don't like their AD. Obviously that's not true (or not the whole story), but since views are already mixed I don't think a boycott helps accomplish much of anything that the rally couldn't have, and there's no consideration being made for a backlash.. And I think many are vastly overlooking the effect it has on the players. Yes, they should know it's not directed at them. So? You don't think they'll take it a little personally? Wouldn't you? You don't think an empty student section sends a very mixed message? I mean, shit, if I were a player I might think "Damn, they care more about firing DB for some reason than they do supporting us for the biggest home game of the year." .
|1 week 3 days ago||Let's see...||
Fire Brandon shirts, Fire Brandon signs, Fire Brandon chants, rallies on the diag and at the president's house, emails to regents, emails to the president, petitions, phonecalls, letters.
But I guess that's not enough?
I still don't see the utiity of a boycott at this point...it only has the opportunity to backlash. It
|1 week 3 days ago||Yeah...already kinda had this perception||
Still, seeing the numbers is very jarring. 0 points in 8 games. Wow.