Sucks to be Al Golden right now. Also, please peer to the right and notice that Robert Marve is being investigated. U MAD DANNY HOPE!?
Edit: Individual player pages are up.
Sucks to be Al Golden right now. Also, please peer to the right and notice that Robert Marve is being investigated. U MAD DANNY HOPE!?
Edit: Individual player pages are up.
Stop what you're doing and read it.
This is great stuff.
WOW. I just finished reading it and that is all I can say. It is so juicy and filled with so much information. If this guy comes out with a book it is going to be a must read.
RIP Miami Football.
EDIT: Never mind
Yes. That would be an understatement.
The guy claims he gave 100s of thousands in benefits over almost a decade with coaches knowledge.
If only the NCAA would allow programs to cover the cost of Cristal and abortions none of this would ever happen.
This would seem to qualify as very bomby. Miami football will receive the death penalty if these claims are true.
Lack of Institutional Control
They are going to get hammered... freaking hard. I'll go up to $100 that they won't get the Death Penalty.
Unless Al Golden is "fired" and says he acted alone and the university had no knowledge of anything improper. If Miami does that they'll be fine. They just need to follow the OSU playbook.
I thought Al Golden was just hired at the U. That would be a pretty ironic defense. I think the best part of the story is that he was paying for all this stuff with illegally obtained ponzi money.
I think the only way this will ever end is to turn college football and basketball programs into minor league affiliates of the school or a pro team. Drop the "student athlete" title and just pay the guys a salary. Or IF they want an education they could still take a scholarship as payment. You generally don't see these kind of problems in college baseball or hockey because guys don't have to go to college to get to the pros. I'm not saying this is what I want, but I think there's too much money and power being thrown around for these sports to remain "amateur" athletics.
Does it make me a bad Michigan fan if the first thing I thought when I read this was: "Holy crap, this makes OSU's violations look like impermissible stretching?"
If it does, then I'm right there with you.
Damn right. I just finished the second paragraph of the story and my jaw is on the floor. This sounds significantly bigger than OSU's problems.
This is huge, but hopefully this doesn't detract too much from tsio's wrongdoings.
not at all, because it completely takes the negative spotlight off of osu, which is not what we want
If this makes osu's violations look like impermissible stretching, what did we do.
We should be expunged for any and all wrong doing now or at least remove the "major" part of the description.
guy to come forward, to the NCAA or other, and bring the photos/stained dress/ blood samples this time
Remember Gary Condit? The CA congressman who had been having an affair with an intern who turned up murdered in DC? His scandal was the biggest headline in the nation ... on September 10, 2001. You never heard about him after that.
Tonight, the state of Ohio collectively exhales, and quotes the former congressman: "Whew."
I've never seen the word "douche" appear so many times in an article without actually being spelled out.
Or perhaps I just saw the picture of Douche Shapiro with Winslow and that's all I could think about.
EDIT: cut and paste fail
I was trying to paste in the list of players involved.
A who's who of Miami football, and a ton of current players.
For lack of a list, just know it was A LOT of them, including a bunch of big names like Hester, Winslow jr., Wilfork and so many more.
For those clamoring for the death penalty in OSU's case; it was never feasible. Why? Because there would be nothing left to punish Miami with...
We have corroborating sources, either human, document or photographic, on at least 72 Miami players or former recruits receiving benefits.
Some of it is just ridiculous. Example:
Abortion: In one instance, Shapiro described taking a player to the Pink Pony strip club and paying for a dancer to engage in sex with the athlete. In the ensuing weeks, Shapiro said the dancer called one of his security providers and informed him that the player had gotten her pregnant during the incident. Shapiro said he gave the dancer $500 to have an abortion performed, without notifying the player of the incident. “I was doing him a favor,” the booster said. “That idiot might have wanted to keep [the baby].”
another school that is the 10/10?
Me. Miami seems to have more players than actual fans. I don't think I've ever met a Miami fan in the wild.
Would have loved to see an SEC school.
Yes. It would have been more enjoyable if it was the Miami of the late 1980's.
I would have been more shocked if they had reported that Miami players *weren't* receiving tons of extra benefits. They even nicknamed him after the last guy that paid for their rule breaking.
Yeah. I definitely figured it was a school in the south, but I wanted it to be Auburn, Alabama, or Florida. Honetly, one of the least-surprising findings I could have imagined for a "name" CFB team. Still, the stories they have to tell are amazing.
The loser gets the death penalty. I can't wait for that game as the commentary leading up to it should be pure entertainment.
It'll be Convicts vs...Convicts?
Convicts vs. even worse convicts? It'll be like the whole nine yeards, except teams representing two prsions play each other.
how jealous are OSU players that all they got were some tattoos, weed, and free rounds of golf??
Wow not to make light of Tressel etc. but this is stuff the pros probably wouldn't even get away with under Goodell's regime...
What a fantastic read. If half of that is true, Miami is in very serious trouble. The stuff in that article is crazy.
Robert Marve is on the list, for all you Purdue haters.
For him and purdue this season?
Rob Henry will still start and Purdue will still suck.
Who hates Purdue?
LOL seriously. Waste of effort.
Miami Football meet curb, your about to get stomped.
Wow! Dont mess with Yahoo! Sports and Chucky Robinson. I guess the Dolphins aren't the only pro team in Miami. Heck, Dolphin players are going to start complaining that they're under-compensated.
I think they have to get hammered. But I doubt they will get the death penalty. The NCAA has said they will never do it again. It will be a massive bowl ban and scholly reduction that will make the usc sanctions look like a love tap.
I think the NCAA has to do the death penalty, there is no other punishment that covers what took place.
Don't get me wrong I think the U should get the death penalty. I just don't think the NCAA has the cajones to hand out the death penalty again.
while i would have agreed with you before reading this article, i don't think they even have a choice...
Ding dong Miami's dead.
I know people in the NCAA have said they wouldn't give out the death penalty again. Miami's case is going to test them. USC's violations were very similar, but less widespread, with far less complicity from the school and for a much shorter period of time. Miami was also guilty of similar widespread violations in the past. Their case is going to demand a significantly stiffer penalty than USC got. I don't know that there's much room between that and the death penalty, maybe eliminate scholarships in FB and MBB for a few years.
My god. It reads like an Onion article.
What's the name of that elite RB who supposedly has us #2 right now behind Miami?
Hello: that guy?
Wes Brown. And yeah, this could be interesting to watch if his UM interest picks up. Diggs also if we actually want him.
His Scout profile makes no mention of Michigan but lists 30-odd other schools recruiting him.
Profiles: not always accurate.
He did an interview with Scout a few days ago and basically said Michigan is the top school he's considering not named Miami.
On the 247sports board, the Auburn fans are talking about all the recruits they're gonna get who were considering Miami (Diggs was included). Do they really no realize that they are very close to getting hammered and their NC vacated as well? I get a good chuckle out of stupid people.
You'll break into bursts of hysterical laughter as soon as you cross into Franklin County.
annoyed, this will only take away from the heat on Ohio. I never really had any beef with Miami, but this is outrageous and the NCAA is looking worse then ever.
How can the NCAA charge universites with failure to monitor when they themselves do the very same thing? This article proves a decades worth of continued cheating from a top 25 (in previous years) team that has already once had a sugar daddy paying for a pro-college team. If there was one single team the NCAA should have been moitoriing it was Miami!
OSU, USC, Boise St., UNC, and Oregon have all had scnadals that were more or less squashed. Amazingly, it seems (and I'm sure it's because they're really clean) that no SEC schools cheat. When is the NCAA going to admit that it has a problem and start actually proactively trying to fix the system. Big teams earn big money. To stay good (or get better) these teams often cheat. By not actively fixing the system the NCAA is basically okay with teams cheating as long as they bring in money and don't get caught. And even when they do get caught as long as you superficially fix the problem (fire a coach- whether it be a head coach or position coach) the NCAA will back off. What else can anyone take from their message?
The NCAA is supposed to be an oversight committee but they have a stake in not investigating. In addition, they trust colleges who also have millions at state (and the jobs of the univeristy president, athletic director, and the coaching staff) to self-report which is akin to trusting oil companies to report enviornmental violations. Only the small stuff which doesn't threaten the university will ever get reported, leaving the bad stuff, the stuff which needs to end, hidden below the surface. As long as it doesn't boil over into the mainstream it's allowed to continue festering. The NCAA should go out and hire a former AG to run an investigatory unit. They should be able to suspend scholarships if teams don't cooperate (no more advantage to teams that turn down the NCAA). Also, they should have a connection with the IRS since all this money given to athletes and the universities is taxable and I'm sure none of it has ever been reported. Why shouldn't these athletes who've made it (Rolle, Wilfork, Beason, etc.) have to pay back taxes and fines on the money and gifts they recieve? Everybody else in this country has too. Now they have millions and can no longer claim that they're poor and need the money for food (which I think is a valid justification for paying college athletes but not strippers). Basically the NCAA needs to decide whether it's just a protection racket like it currently is (protecting colleges by giving them a monopoly on football talent age 18-21) or if it really gives a damn about amateur sports. I really do believe that if the NCAA continues down the current path they could open up a door for the courts to rule that not allowing athletes to declare for the draft before their 3rd season out of HS is illegal. In the Maurice Clarett case the courts defended the current system partly becuase the NCAA itself wasn't benefitting from the system (it wasn't recieving the players' wages) and it looked out for college athletes and bettered them, but with scandal after scandal a good lawyer could prove the NCAA is out for itself and the current system guarantees them profits at the cost of the athletes.
Uh, the SMU Board of Regents was organizing the payroll there. If Shalala was photographed handing a novelty check to Ken Dorsey, then it would have been comparable.
moderating needs an "uninformed opinion" option (to phrase it as nicely as i can)
They need the death penalty for those weak ass rhymes alone.
The guy used "Teddy Dupay" as his hotel alias? Hilarious.
The word of the day down here in Florida is - meltdown!
i guess golden won't be poaching players anymore. feel bad for him. he had no idea what he was getting into. this is more of a test for the ncaa than osu. if miami isn't dismantled, every program will run loose. why wouldn't they?
I'd like to think so. But then again, osu is getting off easier than anticipated too. The NCAA is so limp-wristed.
He is an idiot. He is not an idiot.
This makes losing Dallas Crawford hurt even more. Really wish we could have held on to him.
I bet Dallas wishes he could make that decision again.
He may get to do just that if this goes the way of USC. Of by the time the NCAA untangles this mess we'll be deciding what corner to give the #2.
Talk about a poor return for that guy's investment as well. If you're going to blow seven figures on "recruitment" you might as well double down and go for the decade long reign of terror prior to the hammer getting dropped.
Actually it would kind of be funny if some smaller school just doubled down on everything and went caught just admitted "Well you know we figured we'd never become nationally revelant due to fact we're a minor program. So we figured what the hell, let's go big for a decade and live it up."
Also if the bounties for injury is proven, this program needs to get the dead penalty.
And were really good because of it? South Beach isn't getting it's money's worth.
Yeah, that is why Miami needs the death penalty. They were a small private school that got big because a rapper funded them illegaly. All they did was shift to getting a white collar criminal to fund them. The program has no roots or foundation as any kind of tool to help student athletes advance. It's all about paying players. Kill it and nothing of value is lost.
Edit. Also unrelated but:
Abortion: In one instance, Shapiro described taking a player to the Pink Pony strip club and paying for a dancer to engage in sex with the athlete. In the ensuing weeks, Shapiro said the dancer called one of his security providers and informed him that the player had gotten her pregnant during the incident. Shapiro said he gave the dancer $500 to have an abortion performed, without notifying the player of the incident.
“I was doing him a favor,” the booster said. “That idiot might have wanted to keep [the baby].”
Wow. Just wow.
having read that, I totally want to party with Nevin Shapiro. How long is this guy locked up for?
Dang. That explains a lot.
Miami to the SEC?
Retweeted from EDSBS
We also lost our kicker recruit to Miami. Hopefully Wile will be a good replacement.
There was also a week or so last year when Randy Shannon was mentioned as possible DC replacement. Imagine if that had come to pass. We'd be franatically ejecting our DC a few weeks before the season started...urgh.
Wowo, I didn't even think of that, we lucked out, especially considering we got Mattison in his place.
Does this mean that we can start referring to the U" as "not that miami"?
*Not The Abortion-Yacht Miami
I can't wait for people who won't read this story and say, "this happens at every school, you can't control it."
The stroy has LOIC all over it. Money, abortion, favors, and everything else.
This is not something you tolerate in CFB. I expect the harshest penalties in my lifeime. If that is the DP so be it. Miami only has 3 dozen fans and apprently a whole lot of groupies anyway.
"Elvis died 34 years ago today. The MIami football program died today."
This is pretty serious stuff, but let us again call upon the lessons of the SMU program in the 80s where the school itself contributed to a slush fund that paid players, got caught, said they stopped, but then kept doing it anyways.
I expect they'll get life in prison, but the death penalty is incredibly harsh.
*On an aside, I'm wondering if FSU, Clemson, VTech are saying "Man, the SEC looks good right about now."
This is very juicy stuff and Miami is definitely in a world of trouble, but let's be honest... Is anyone really surprised?
Miami... YOU GOT KNOCKED THE FUG OUT!
This game should be renamed the Shame Bowl: where the winner is also a loser.
The winner vacates, the loser keeps the loss
Yeah. I've been thinking about that game and I suspect the commentators will have plenty to talk about, the least of which what will be happening on the actual field.
If true, and it appears there is a lot of information to suggest Miami is in deep crap, this is really a sad day for college football. Everyone of these episodes, USC, Ohio, NC, etc. cast shadows that degrade the way the game is perceived.
and punishments will have alter perceptions more. If they "look the other way" and deal a slap on the wrist (relatively speaking) the image will suffer. If they bring down the hammer, perceptions will change.
Agreed. The NCAA brought the hurt on USC in a serious way (especially because it was a multi-sport issue there, which it is here as well). They might yet do so to OSU - that remains to be seen. If they do the right thing with OSU & with the even more obvious case of Miami, then they will have the opportunity to create the image of cleaning house, sweeping out the corruption, etc. etc.
If, OTOH, they prefer to let things slide, then we'll see real damage done to the image of college football.
Bounties, cash handshakes, boosters, yacts, stripper, prostitutes, agents, coaches. The only major violation they didn't commit was extra stretching time
The worst part is that this means more talent for the other Florida schools and the SEC. Why can't this happen to a school in our recruiting footprint? And no, OSU doesn't count. This makes their's look rather mild.
This would be 100000x better if it were Notre Dame.
But if Sarniak chose to speak out, I'm sure he could say a great deal about his interactions not only with Pryor, but also with Tressel. Dennis Talbot could say a great deal, if he were so inclined.
Because Los Angeles, CA and Miami, FL are a far cry from places like South Bend, IN and Columbus, OH.
Great read, Miami is screwed. That is all/
Insert Carl Lewis' "Uh-oh!"
"Oh my god the
quarterback U is toast!"
So who won the 02 national championship if both teams were being paid?
I would like to give it to Colorado, who lost the Alamo Bowl after blowing a field goal attempt, because I almost felt bad for them, having taken it to the Badgers for most of that game.
"Princeton could use a guy like Nevin Shapiro."
I was just thinking about that old SI issue. That was what, two NCAA investigations ago for them?
Holy shit.....the Hurricanes may have to forfeit everything up to the people who first thought of making football a varsity sport down there. Those people, probably long deceased, might have to forfeit their living descendants.
But Shapiro says therein lies the twist. He believes the University of Miami didn’t want to know what he was doing – that the school looked the other way because it was desperate to retain a booster who had donated hundreds of thousands of dollars to the program.
This is kind of the money quote in my mind. Also, the part that disturbed me the most was the part about giving cash rewards for hurting opposing players was really sad. I hope they get completely hammered. That is not what college sports, or sports in general is about (obviously).
what a waste of that guy's money
Doesn't sound like it was his money he was wasting.
As a VT fan , seeing a bitter rival get their comeuppance
The news isn't as shocking coming from a FL school (especially Miami) but doode, I'm so sick of is these rich white assholes who do this crap.
Though there's a ton of money down here, a s-ton of people in south Florida are dirt poor, and their upbringings would give most Americans nightmares. I can't blame these kids for taking money, women, alcohol or whatever from this loser.
With all that being said... the pict of Donna with the check is kind of awesome.
I mean, its debatable if you can blame the players for taking cash. I would definitely argue that I CAN blame the players for taking prostitutes. These guys are college football players. If they need some rich white dude to pay for their ass, they have no game.
LOL. You can't be serious. You think Shapiro said "here are your prostitutes!" Dude, no. He set up a party at a hotel and there happened to be girls there. The players never knew they were paid until after the fact. I can bet on that.
And if you were 18 and went to a party with girls (who happened to be Miami hookers, but you didn't know that) and they wanted to service you I am pretty damn certain you would be pants down like a 4 year old at a urinal in zero seconds. Hell, I would right now and I am 28.
The article specifically says that parties with multiple women weren't the only form of prostitution.
In individual situations, he would set up a player with a hotel room and have a woman sent to their location.
Shortly after the purchase of Shapiro’s $1.6 million yacht in the spring of 2003, the booster said he stopped convening larger scale “parties” and began offering prostitutes for individual players on his boat or in hotel rooms. One former offensive starter for the Hurricanes confirmed to Yahoo! Sports that he had sex with a prostitute paid for by Shapiro and confirmed that other teammates did as well. He described in detail how the incident took place, but asked that the specifics not be shared for publication for fear of retribution.
Those quotes make it sound a lot like Shapiro did just say "here are your prostitutes!". The article specifically uses the word "offering" in the second paragraph which suggests the players were told in advance, and it sounds like the players knew about it from what the former player said.
Further, the party situation, that you describe above makes it sound like there were a few women for many more players. In which case, maybe the players didn't know they were prostitutes, but I can guarantee you I would NOT "be pants down like a 4 year old at a urinal in zero seconds" if I was scooping sloppy 5ths on some blown out chick after the Oline got done with her. If you would, that is your prerogative, but I think for you to suggest that everyone in the world would be down to bone some random skeeze that your teammate just did would be naive.
I still believe that the kids didn't know they were prosties before hand. The language, in my opinion, insinuates that the investigators knew yet the kids did not. That's just how I read it.
Also as far as the sloppy thirds... ... depends on how hot she is. Yep, I said it.
Also as far as the sloppy thirds... ... depends on how hot she is. Yep, I said it.
Glass houses, dude. You're telling me if your #1 happened to get boned by your buddies you wouldn't? It always depends on how hot she is. Always.
This is some shocking stuff. Very interested in how the NCAA will punish this if they don't dole out the death penalty.
Am I the only one who thought that this thread was going to be about yahoo releasing something on October 10th?
Tim Tebow must feel like a badass right now.
I don't have enough points to post but the police video came out today showing Oregon's Cliff Harris and Darron Thomas getting off lightly:
i suppose this puts a damper on the meme that randy shannon cleaned up the U
Exactly. I remember when he got fired there were commentators saying that it was an injustice that he was fired because he was brought in to clean up the program and that's exactly what he did. Just shows that a lot of these commentators talk out of their ass.
in randy's defense though, I think the number of arrests came way down under his leadership but it sounds like not much else did
I know the NCAA said it's unlikely to issue another death penalty. But if even half the Yahoo charges are accurate, and given the previous scandal at Miami, how could this be anything but a death penalty situation? Talk about new levels of arrogance and reckless disregard.
Mark Emmert will let his mentor at Ohio walk, and they will bring the hammer down on Miami so serverely that nobody will be able to say Emmert is "soft" on anyone. They should have a fucking parade in Columbus today.
Funny. I watched ESPN's slobbering piece on The U a couple weeks back and missed all this stuff. Must've been getting a beer or something.....
What was last years NC game called?
USC, OSU, UNC, Oregon, Boise St, Miami....
How the hell is the SEC not getting in trouble?! Are they that much better at cheating than everyone else?
Devoted local media. The turning point in the OSU case to some extent was when the local papers & TV stations started going after the program, and of course we all know about the Freep. So long as the media in the South is all over the SEC, we won't see any action.
Auburn should by all accounts be getting thier shit pushed in. Also, how did M(iss)SU not get in more trouble for putting up an offer for Cam Newton and being out bid? That's like calling the cops to tell them someone stole your crack.
The SEC has experienced boosters. Through generations of cheating, they have passed down effective ways to avoid detection. Kind of a continuous improvement program from all the times they got caught.
wow! One thing to consider though is the ncaa has to prove all of this which I am sure they wont be able too. But even if a quarter of it gets charged by the ncaa that should be enough to destroy miami sports.
Miami is my second favorite school and we're about to get nailed. It's a shame because we finally got the right guy in Al Golden.
only got half way through but it sounds like miami is in deep, deep trouble. as long as the NCAA pulls its head out of its butt, miami is doooooooomed. I've never seen such damning evidence so readily confirmed by a multitude of sources.
and I have hated Da U since I could remember watching college football. After reading that article, I feel like *I* need a shower right now. That's some serious shudder in the fetal position reading.
I'm just sad that I have to wait months for the actual penalty bitch-slap to take place.
I wonder how long it will be until Missouri is looking for a new basketball coach? A lot of people were surprised when Haith was hired. I don't think they can keep him with these allegations. Allegedly aware of a 10K payout and hanging in the strip clubs with a felon. It will be interesting to see how Missouri hoops recruiting is going.
72 players? I think they mean 71. Any money given to Kellen Winslow is fine. He's not an athlete, he's a soldier!
... is everything that I dreamed the SI article on Ohio would be, but wasn't.
What really screws UM is that the witness against them, Nevin Shapiro, has to legally tell the federal prosecutors the truth about everything or his plea deal was off the table. That's a whole lot more reliable than a tattoo parlor owner who deals weed on the side. Especially since Shapiro documented almost everything since he was the CEO of an investment firm.
I can't believe he thought these players were real friends of his. Of course they're not going to pay bail for a guy who bought them hookers in college. They have families now and have millions and are legitimate. This guy is delusional.
Can someone help me with the fact that ESPN does not have this as one of the 4 stories on the homepage?
I know they have it on the top right.
Not Andre Johnson!
Is there an echo in here?
Lost in all this is that new Miami men's basketball coach Jim Larranaga, like Al Golden, left a pretty good situation at George Mason with a potential top 25 team and other BCS schools knocking on his door to walk into this mess.
Does anyone know if there is any precedent for these guys to be let go if it turns out Miami was witholding any info regarding the investigation from these coaches upon their hiring?
last December he was already threatening to blow up the U with his stories with dirt on 100 players (towards the end of the piece); I think he started saying this as early as last September. But it takes Yahoo for the NCAA to take things seriously, I guess.
[quote]"The NCAA has access to more allegations than we printed," Wetzel said. "This is worse for Miami than it appears," he said.[/quote]
[quote]"There were things we didn't print because either they were too personal, or we couldn't corroborate his allegations," Wetzel said.[/quote]
It is not possible for it to be worse than it already appears. Unless the university president was one of the prostitutes, I can't see how it could be worse.
If somebody would pay Donna Shalala to have sex with her, that would mean that program has reached an all time low.
than paying a prostitute to have an abortion without input from the player?
Your amazing network of sports blogs and coverage has more than made up for you irrellevant search enging. May your investigative desk never need find anything at Michigan.