Why are people So Convinced Mccaffrey Will Be a Good QB
So one of the narratives forming is that UM's season might be going better if Mccaffrey was the starter, but I honestly have to ask why are people so bullish on a guy who hadn't proved anything yet at the college level? Rooting for him to turn out to be a great QB wherever he decides to go obviously, but it sure seems like a leap in logic for people to assume what he is going to turn out to be at the college level.
November 24th, 2020 at 12:40 AM ^
He was the best athlete of the QB options, so the QB run game would be on the table. He looked better than Milton in the limited snaps they had. And probably most of all, everyone in his family is an accomplished athlete.
November 24th, 2020 at 6:10 AM ^
Looked better than Milton and Shea.
FIFY
November 24th, 2020 at 6:51 AM ^
He never looked better than shea unless you are referring to him running
November 24th, 2020 at 9:06 AM ^
Yup. McCaffrey struggled throwing the ball, except for a deep ball to Ronnie Bell in 2018.
I do think he is/was better than Milton, but McCaffrey wasn't better than Shea at anything except running. And even then, McCaffrey got hurt while running, whereas Shea stayed healthy.
November 24th, 2020 at 9:42 AM ^
Except for the time Shea got hurt on one of the first runs of 2019 (Middle Tennnesee?) and that apparently affected him for much of the season. At least that's how I recall it.
November 24th, 2020 at 10:03 AM ^
I think he strained his oblique, and that caused some issues, but not season-ending issues. Every player gets dinged up throughout a season, whether it's a strained muscle, a rolled ankle, or whatever. McCaffrey broke his collarbone and got concussed, both of which basically ended his seasons.
November 24th, 2020 at 11:18 AM ^
Do you think something was going on with Shea in the bowl game against Alabama, Magnus? He looked absolutely terrible that game so just curious what you think.
November 24th, 2020 at 11:29 AM ^
It wasn't season ending but the general consensus seemed to be it was season limiting to a significant degree
November 24th, 2020 at 9:50 AM ^
Yes to this. McCaffrey runs with his head down and forward. Every hit he took looked like it was going to break him in half. Twice in two years it did.
November 25th, 2020 at 4:07 PM ^
I beg to differ, with all the experience Shea had he still panicked when pressured, was careless with the football in the pocket leading to numerous fumbles....Despite Dylan's lack of experience he was poised in the pocket against Notre Dame. We didn't see enough of him in live action to say he couldn't pass as some have said like it's a fact. He was pretty sharp in the spring scrimmages. Most importantly, overall he had much more polish than Joe Milton. So yea I think Michigan beats MSU and plays Wisconsin and Indiana tougher with Dmac.
November 24th, 2020 at 7:06 AM ^
Look, the back-up QB is always the best QB on the football team, if only these idiot coaches would realize it. It's the same from the NFL level, right down to Uncle Rico. So it stands to reason that a QB who isn't even on the team any longer would be even better than the back-up QB. It's just basic distributive math.
November 24th, 2020 at 11:36 AM ^
Yup. Like the back-up goalie in hockey.. Especially on bad teams.
November 24th, 2020 at 8:46 AM ^
As an OSU fan, I remember seeing him play against WI and thinking that UM finally found a QB. Shea was never a threat, IMO, McCaffrey was great running the ball and was ok in the pass game. This is a pretty good analysis of the limited number of plays that he had in 2019.
November 24th, 2020 at 9:34 AM ^
to be fair..... The ohio state penitentiary has done very well with QB's that are great at running the ball and ok passers..... eventually they look like great passers because the run game allows WR's to bet wide open.
November 24th, 2020 at 12:43 AM ^
Because people are optimists.
November 24th, 2020 at 3:48 AM ^
“Dad, why is the sky blue?”
”It just is, son.”
November 24th, 2020 at 5:35 AM ^
“Dad, why is it raining?”
”Son, it’s because God is crying”
”But dad, why is God crying?”
”I dunno son. It’s probably from something you did”
-Jack Handy
November 24th, 2020 at 10:11 AM ^
I’ll have to use that one.
November 24th, 2020 at 9:37 AM ^
I'm not an optimist but McCaffrey looked light years ahead of Milton in their limited action before this season.
November 24th, 2020 at 12:44 AM ^
A lot of people are absolutely certain of things that they couldn't possibly know. It's a really weird phenomenon. We saw McCaffrey come in at times last year and he seemed fine. He didn't look bad, but he didn't light the world on fire. Rutgers caveats apply, but what we saw from Cade on Saturday was more than we ever saw out of McCaffrey.
November 24th, 2020 at 2:54 AM ^
I don't care about Rutgers caveats because 1. they're better this year than any recent year. 2. Cade did the exact same thing in that series against Wisconsin so this is not all hopium, this guy is good
November 24th, 2020 at 10:27 AM ^
Take my hopium and my upvote mate.
November 24th, 2020 at 10:44 AM ^
I'm going to use "hopium" and I'm not giving you credit for it.
November 24th, 2020 at 1:10 PM ^
lmao!
November 24th, 2020 at 12:52 AM ^
1) Father played in the NFL and his brother was a Heisman finalist. His younger brother is starting for Nebraska. Football is basically encoded in this kid's DNA.
2) Highly rated by all recruitment services, was a 5-star at one point, ended up as a 4-star top 150 recruit.
3) Beat out Milton and McNamara, was on track to start up until the incident
What else do you need?
November 24th, 2020 at 1:00 AM ^
1. For every story like that there are plenty other examples of genetics not always working out. Barry Sanders son played RB in a college a couple of years ago but he was just another guy to throw out an example.
2. High recruit is somewhat meaningless in terms of guaranteed success as many do not pan out.
3. Where are you even getting that? That is pure speculation. There is not a single source that has said he won the job.
Do you notice how all three of those points you made have nothing to do with what he has actually shown on the college field to this point?
November 24th, 2020 at 1:10 AM ^
The practice rumblings I remember said that Milton had passed McCaffrey and he was in a fight for 2nd string with Cade. That was before there were any transfer rumors.
November 24th, 2020 at 1:11 AM ^
I think his point was that he had beaten out Milton and McNamara as the backup last year since he was the first QB off the bench for Shea
November 24th, 2020 at 1:19 AM ^
And that was last year, so the assumption would be that Joe and Cade would not have looked the same last year in practice. Cade literally threw more passes against Rutgers than DCaf has thrown in his entire college career so far.
November 24th, 2020 at 1:11 AM ^
1. I'll bet on the kid whose father is an NFL player and has brothers in the NFL and starting at the college level, to be better than a true freshman.
2. Two thirds of selections in the 2020 draft were 4 stars or above. Not sure how you could think that's "meaningless".
3. Yes, multiple sources said he won the job and transferred after a disagreement with the coaches. Was not about the depth chart. Posted a few weeks back.
Will let you figure out the rest.
November 24th, 2020 at 1:27 AM ^
And for all those drafted 4 or 5 there are others each cycle who don't reach that level. Also you're going to have to provide those sources because I can not find one saying that.
November 24th, 2020 at 8:49 AM ^
MGoPoster 'Ghost of Jermain' has inside sources and occasionally drops gold nuggets here. I've actually never read one of his insidery posts that didn't prove true. In any case, he dropped this four days ago. I believe it, in part because both Jermaine is usually (always) right, and because it makes sense out of an otherwise non-sensical thing.
I've remained convinced that DMac replaced Shea at Wisconsin for good, not just for that game. He sparked life into the team, and had them actually moving the ball pretty well, against UW. Until he was targeted, twice, into a multi-week concussion protocol. By the time he got back on the field, Shea was more comfortable in the offense and DMac was too far behind to catch up. I have no reason to believe that Milton had passed him in camp, so Jermaine's reasoning seems plausible to me.
As for him being a great prospect? He remains just that - a great prospect. Predicting certain greatness for him is as much a reach as predicting he'll suck - which largely seems like what you're doing.
November 24th, 2020 at 10:17 AM ^
It's actually not, I am saying he is still an unknown at this point which is literally what you just said. My question was for posters who are 100 % sure what he is based on a limited sample size. He may very well turn out to be a great QB.
November 24th, 2020 at 12:56 PM ^
You're being dense on purpose. Really made a whole thread just to argue. Lmao.
You asked for reasons why people thought he was going to be great, and got a ton of answers. None of it is a "leap in logic".
The rumor that he beat both QBs out and transferred after a disagreement is linked above. Ghost of jermain posted it
November 24th, 2020 at 1:19 PM ^
1. I'd've bet $ on McCaffrey being a great QB, too, given the same reasons. Turns out we'd have both lost our money. He may yet turn into a good QB, but it hasn't happened yet.
2. It would be a lot more useful to look at the % of 4-star QBs who are starting in year 4 at the school they enrolled. My guess is under 50%.
3. Hey maybe. But coaches usually do their best not to run off their starting QB
November 24th, 2020 at 1:15 AM ^
He’d shown the ability to correctly make some reads which are vital to this offense and that he was a real threat running at least.
He was almost assuredly going to replace Patterson as the starter last year if he hadn’t gotten decapitated. It’s just outrageous how much talent these coaches run off.
November 24th, 2020 at 6:49 AM ^
I'll take the McCaffery family history over this Michigan coaching staff's track record with player development and retention.
November 24th, 2020 at 9:07 AM ^
For every Archie, Peyton, and Eli Manning, there is a Cooper. Dylan could be the Cooper. Not everyone is destined to be special.
As an Arizona alumni, I lived through enough Gronkowskis to know family ties don't guarantee success.
November 24th, 2020 at 10:09 AM ^
Pretty sure Cooper Manning’s football future was impacted by injury.
November 24th, 2020 at 10:11 AM ^
Pretty sure Cooper Manning’s football future was impacted by injury.
November 24th, 2020 at 10:44 AM ^
That may not be the best example. Cooper Manning was one of top QBs of his class and was committed to Ole Miss. Just before his freshman year he was diagnosed with spinal stenosis which ended his playing career.
His son is now the top HS sophomore QB.
November 24th, 2020 at 12:27 PM ^
Yes, Peyton said that as kids cooper was the best pure athlete, which ok Peytin lumbering in a QBsneak is something ill never unsee but still...
November 24th, 2020 at 2:27 AM ^
Michigan would have the one Caff that wouldn’t pan out smfh
November 24th, 2020 at 10:44 AM ^
the kid at Nebraska hasn't looked great either. He can run the ball really well but can't throw. I wouldn't trade our QBs for Luke McCaffrey.
November 24th, 2020 at 11:11 AM ^
Long story short, the McCaffrey's are great athletes. The two that played positions that need athletes have succeeded greatly (Ed and Christian). The two that tried to be QB's turned out to be good athletes who just happen to play QB. Should have probably convinced Dylan to be a WR or bulk up to TE.
November 24th, 2020 at 5:04 AM ^
His younger brother is a RB playing QB. His passing leaves a lot to be desired.
November 25th, 2020 at 4:18 PM ^
Luke Mccaffrey played poorly against Illinois, but if you watched Nebraska when he played he's made some really nice throws. To say he can't pass based off one bad game is ridiculous.
November 24th, 2020 at 12:55 AM ^
Honestly 95% of it is because of his last name.
November 24th, 2020 at 9:13 AM ^
So you’re telling me people wouldn’t be as bullish about his athletic prowess if his name was Dylan Hitler!?
Genetics help the optimism surrounding DMc.
November 24th, 2020 at 1:00 AM ^
My only concern with decaf was his durability.