At What Point Is Enough, Enough?

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October 16th, 2010 at 10:37 PM
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gnarles woodson
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At What Point Is Enough, Enough?

First, I am a Rich Rodriguez fan and I really want him to succeed here, at Michigan.  But when is it time to pull the plug?  Mark Dantonio has as many conference wins in Ann Arbor as RichRod has....and Ron Zook could match that soon.

I think Rich Rod is a great coach and he seems like a good guy.  I know he never has gotten a fair shake here from a lot of people.  But it is starting to look like he isn't a good fit for Michigan.  I don't buy the idea that his offense won't work in the Big Ten, so I am not saying that.  I'm sure that I will get neg'd for asking the question, but that is all I am doing.  

For the record, I would love to see him succeed here and make a lot of people eat crow. But I am starting to have doubts about the possibility of that happening. 

 

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October 16th, 2010 at 10:40 PM | Blerp derp durpeyderp. THEY (Score:1)
BlockM
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Blerp derp durpeyderp.

THEY PUT UP 520 YARDS OF OFFENSE WHAT PART OF THIS EQUATES TO HIM NOT FITTING IN?

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October 16th, 2010 at 10:41 PM | There's 2 sides of the ball (Score:1)
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There's 2 sides of the ball and he IS responsible for both sides.

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October 16th, 2010 at 10:44 PM | Is he also the one playing in (Score:1)
BlockM
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Is he also the one playing in the secondary? I'm sorry, I thought that was true freshmen and redshirt sophomore walkons.

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October 16th, 2010 at 10:51 PM | Serious question (Score:1)
Mitch Cumstein
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Not trying to be snarky. Do you think RR is at all responsible for who is being forced into playing everyday in the secondary?  

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October 16th, 2010 at 10:57 PM | Serious response: (Score:1)
BlockM
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Partially, yes. I think the recruiting on the defensive side of the ball may have been mismanaged at times. I think he's also had a run of epically bad luck as far as TWoolf's injury, Turner not showing up to play, and the other transfers.

The main reason I'm frustrated tonight is that we've lost to two good teams and people are seemingly not willing to wait until the end of the season to make judgements. I saw a team fighting with everything they have. I saw a stadium full of the most passionate fans I've seen in the Big House (granted, I've never been there for a super emotional game before). I saw a fierce offense that stumbled on a few occasions again, and a defense that will continue to grow and learn, but just doesn't have the pieces in place to be great this year.

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October 16th, 2010 at 11:04 PM | fair enough (Score:1)
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And I agree with you.  I just see people throw out the "young/thin secondary" in defense of RR and part of me agrees that it is a legit excuse, but the other part of me considers personnel or lack there of to be a responsibility of the coach, especially in year 3.

I also agree with the wait till the end of the season thing, I just think the frustrating part is that we really haven't beaten any good teams, and the only two good teams we've played were real good. So its hard to actually know if we're improved from last year or not. I think you're seeing some anxiety from that aspect.

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October 16th, 2010 at 11:06 PM | Absolutely. It's frustrating (Score:1)
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Absolutely. It's frustrating for sure. I think it's also tough because we've shown that we're capable of winning some of these games if we don't make mistakes. We're just not to the point where we don't make mistakes yet.

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October 16th, 2010 at 11:16 PM | Okay, but in year 3 RR's (Score:1)
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Okay, but in year 3 RR's recruits should be RS sophomores, if everything worked according to plan.  Due to injuries, attrition and bad luck, that has not been the case.  Guys are forced to play early, and we still don't have any experienced guys to teach the young players in the secondary.  Only time (and T-Woolf's rehab) will change that fact.

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October 17th, 2010 at 2:20 AM | False (Score:1)
tenerson
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You cannot hold him accountable for the 08 class. He didn't have time to put that together. What you can look at, though is the fact that two very highly recruited guys haven;t worked out, one guy left early and one is hurt. If Turner is half of what he was suppossed to be, Cissoko stays clean, Warren stays a year and Woolfol is healthy all of a sudden, your secondary is likely, Warren, Cissoko, Kovacs and Woolfolk with Turner coming in instead of JR, the switch, and three true freshman. Cissoko was out of RR's contol. Warren and Woolfolk also were. I don't know Turners deal for sure,. but I woudl lean toward the same if it's true he was comingin out of shape and not willing to do what it takes. That is a huge difference. So, then you are looking at two classes so they are either RS FR, or Sophomores of which neither are what you want back there.

October 16th, 2010 at 11:27 PM | Seriously? (Score:1)
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You think that "personnel or lack there of" is a responsibility of the coach in year 3? The juniors on this year's team were likely recruited by Lloyd Carr during a season in which he knew he was hanging it up. It was up to RichRod to convince those guys to stay, but everyone knew he was bringing in a whole new system. There are 12 seniors on the roster. TWELVE!!! Sorry for yelling, but we get 85 scholarships, so you'd expect on average 21 seniors. One of the seniors is Troy Woolfolk. I'm sure his ankle is somehow RichRod's fault as well. Moundros, a walkon, is one of the seniors. The rest of the guy's are RichRod's responsibility. Freshmen and sophomores are going to make mistakes. That's how they learn. They will be better for it.

October 17th, 2010 at 1:22 AM | 2 more years (Score:1)
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At the end of 2012, you will have a dynamic offense and ???? defense. If the defense is not good by then, fire the man. God could not beat serious Big Ten teams with the inexperienced personnel on this D.

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October 17th, 2010 at 2:51 AM | I would add (Score:1)
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mediocre to poor Senoir linebacker play to the list of excuses. --RRs fault here is with not recruiting - if anything.  (Man Vontaze Burfict would have looked great in the Maize and Blue these last 2 years!!)

October 17th, 2010 at 2:59 AM | Let's list players we had no chance of getting (Score:1)
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Burfict was a longtime USC commit who ended up going to ASU.  We had zero chance of ever landing him.  What is your point?  Yes, our defense would be a lot better if every single 5-star recruit the last two years had decided to come to Michigan.  That is impossible, so I don't know what you are getting at.

It is spelled HOKEAMANIA.  Our coach is an ass-kicking American citizen, not one of the Beatles, for Christ's sake!

October 17th, 2010 at 3:37 AM | Burfict ultimately ended up (Score:1)
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Burfict ultimately ended up at ASU because he was advised and knew that he would have problems getting admitted to SC, that's how bad his academic situation was. How do you think he would have fared with UM's admissions?

October 16th, 2010 at 10:57 PM | Serious answer (Score:1)
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Warren was a 3 year player no matter who was coaching.

BooBoo was a screw up no matter the coach.

Woolfolk destroyed his ankle in a freak accident.

Michigan hasnt had a standout safety in recent memory.

RR brought in a solid class of freshman recruits for the secondary. The thing is... they are freshman.

The secondary is about a 4 recruiting class project. We are on year 2.

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October 17th, 2010 at 12:52 AM | Exactly.  If you're upset (Score:1)
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Exactly.  If you're upset with our talent at DB, blame Lloyd Carr.  Anyone from a RR class is a soph or lower right now.  It's a bummer that Justin Turner happened, it's a bummer that Witty happened, it's a bummer that Dorsey happened, but those things all range from somewhat RR's fault to not RR's fault, and those guys would still be underclassmen this year anyway. 

We have young guys, but they all show signs of talent.  Whichever 5 DB's we start next fall will be solid, no doubt in my mind.

October 17th, 2010 at 1:08 AM | This makes me happy (Score:1)
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I'm glad to know there are some RR supporters out there. All this sky is falling talk is nonsense.  If we lose the next three games (PSU, PU, and IL), then we have some issues, but certainly not now.

That is all. Go Blue.

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October 17th, 2010 at 1:36 AM | I think we need to stop (Score:1)
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I think we need to stop blaming anyone for it.  Carr recruited Donovan Warren, Boubacar Cissoko and Troy Woolfolk.  It's not his fault none of them are available (nor is it RR's).  It's not always someone's fault when things go wrong. 

October 17th, 2010 at 1:39 AM | You are right (Score:1)
PurpleStuff
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But I notice you don't mention any safeties he recruited. 

/Being a bit of an asshole.

It is spelled HOKEAMANIA.  Our coach is an ass-kicking American citizen, not one of the Beatles, for Christ's sake!

October 17th, 2010 at 2:13 AM | I did (Score:1)
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Woolfolk. 

October 17th, 2010 at 2:16 AM | I think he was only a safety by necessity (Score:1)
PurpleStuff
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/Only responding because you made me.

It is spelled HOKEAMANIA.  Our coach is an ass-kicking American citizen, not one of the Beatles, for Christ's sake!

October 17th, 2010 at 9:33 AM | wasting time on cbs that (Score:1)
coldnjl
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wasting time on cbs that can't get onto campus is his fault, don't you think?

October 17th, 2010 at 9:12 AM | Your point is noted, but the (Score:1)
coldnjl
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Your point is noted, but the makeup of a team is always the responsibility of the coach. He has been here three years, yet it still isn't his fault for the lack of numbers at some positions or the lack of development at others?

October 17th, 2010 at 10:51 AM | No (Score:1)
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But his best friend who he refuses to fire is coaching them. That should tell us enough about his will to win. Its secondary to being loyal. 

October 16th, 2010 at 10:47 PM | But that's more an argument (Score:1)
jmblue
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But that's more an argument against GERG than anything.  All head coaches orient themselves toward one side of the ball.  GERG handles the side he isn't oriented towards.

October 16th, 2010 at 10:56 PM | I KEEP SAYING (Score:1)
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THIS IN MY YELLING VOICE THAT THIS TALK IS REDICULOUS. WE HAVE 3 WINNABLE GAMES IN A ROW AND WE HONESTLY NEED TO RELAX. WE LOST TO 2 BIG TEN CONTENDERS. HONESTLY WE ARE A FEW MISTAKES AWAY FROM BRIDGING THE GAP. WE FINISH 8-4 THIS YEAR AND WE ARE BACK TO SQUARE ONE BEFORE RICH ROD WHERE WE FINISHED 8-4. HMMMM EVENTUALLY THESE MOTIVATED YOUNG FRESHMAN AND SOPHOMORES WILL BECOME JUNIORS AND SENIORS WITH YET ANOTHER CHIP ON THERE SHOULDER AND THERE WILL BE HELL TO PAY. BUT I CANT TELL ANYONE ANYTHING BECAUSE WE ALL WANT TO JUMP A CLIFF OR PUCH RICH OVER ONE. BUT LETS BE OPTIMOSTIC AND SHUT THE HELL UP BECAUSE WE DONT HAVE AN EFFCET ON THE DECISIONS. COACH ROD KNOWS IF HE IS OUSTED THAT WE TURN INTO NEBRASKA. GUESS WHAT COACH ROD WILL BE BACK BECAUSE DAVID BRANDON KNOWS CIACH ROD WILL GET IT DONE AND HE WOULD RATHER NOT SEE REBUILDING TIMES TWO. ITS GOING TO BE EASIER TO LET ROD HAVE A YEAR 3 BECAUSE YEAR ONE DOESNT COUNT BECAUSE GUESS WHAT COACH ROD DIDNT EVEN KNOW HOW BARE THE TALENT WOULD BE. SO ILL BE THE GUY WHO DRINKS THE KOOL AID AND ILL WORK MY WAY TO THE FRONT OF THE BUS BUT WHEN THE RIDE STARTS TO GET LESS BUMPY STAY THE HELL OF IT.

 

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GO BLUE! DOWN GO THE BUCKEYES!! TERELLE PRYOR LOOKED GREAT RUNNING FOR HIS LIFE LOOKING FOR A PRAYER.

 

 

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October 16th, 2010 at 10:59 PM | ILL REPLY TO (Score:1)
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MYSELF YELLING AGAIN THAT TERELLE PRYOR NEEDS TO DO SOMETHING WITH HIS HAIR. HE LOOKS LIKE TUPAC FROM THE MOVIE JUICE. AND YES I HAD SOME TYPOS BECAUSE IM PISSED ABOUT PEOPLES ATTITUDES TOWARDS SHIT. LETS GET IT TOGETHER.

 

 

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October 16th, 2010 at 11:05 PM | Haha, I actually had a good (Score:1)
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Haha, I actually had a good time reading this because I can picture you screaming while you are typing.

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October 16th, 2010 at 11:08 PM | THIS IS HOW I TALK!!! (Score:1)
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THIS IS HOW I TALK!!!

 

 

 "It can't just be some half assed work ethic, it needs to be f***in full out, every play, every down, every game. And we're gonna realize that shortly."  (David Molk)
October 16th, 2010 at 11:14 PM | Good mother fucking choice (Score:1)
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Mother fucker!

It is spelled HOKEAMANIA.  Our coach is an ass-kicking American citizen, not one of the Beatles, for Christ's sake!

October 17th, 2010 at 12:24 PM | Yes they deserve to die.... (Score:1)
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...and I hope they burn in hell!

October 16th, 2010 at 11:09 PM | I actually... (Score:1)
alwaystrueblue
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had to clean my glasses off after reading that.

Spittle be EVERYwhere.

I down-vote ANYONE that puts the "t" in front of osu. Don't be a tool.

Oh yea....screw msu too.

October 17th, 2010 at 1:14 AM | i'll only read posts that are (Score:1)
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i'll only read posts that are in all caps

October 16th, 2010 at 11:02 PM | Greg Robinson and Tony Gibson (Score:1)
Swazi
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Greg Robinson and Tony Gibson are the ones most responsible IMO.

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October 16th, 2010 at 11:35 PM | I don't know about Gibson, (Score:1)
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I don't know about Gibson, but Brian gave a good reason not to blame GERG in his post earlier today. USC (yes, that USC) is struggling defensively due to an inexperienced secondary and they have Monte Kiffen. His NFL defenses were always among the top ten best in the league.

October 17th, 2010 at 1:41 AM | The key difference there is (Score:1)
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The key difference there is that Monte Kiffin's track record strongly suggests that SC will rebound and field a dominant defense down the road.  Does GERG's do the same?  I would have to say no.  My concern is not that we're struggling now, with an admittedly shorthanded lineup, but that later on, even when we have better talent/depth, it may underachieve under GERG's watch.

October 17th, 2010 at 2:25 AM | Super Bowl Rings? (Score:1)
tenerson
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You don't just win those by accident.

October 17th, 2010 at 3:31 AM | Super Bow Rings... (Score:1)
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...Charlie Weis has three of them. 

Success in the pros does not always translate to success in the NCAA.

October 17th, 2010 at 11:11 PM | True (Score:1)
tenerson
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However he wasn't in the same position at Notre Dame as he was with NE. He switched from running just the offense to running the whole program. Some guys can't do it.

October 17th, 2010 at 12:02 AM | 18 loses (Score:1)
gnarles woodson
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18 loses in 31 games doesn't really fit in with the tradition of this program....I guess that's just me though.

 

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October 17th, 2010 at 1:10 AM | Neither does losing to OSU (Score:1)
kriegers
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Neither does losing to OSU (see L. Carr).

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October 17th, 2010 at 2:55 AM | Carr won almost as much as he (Score:1)
nazooq
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Carr won almost as much as he lost against OSU (6-7)

And Bo was around .500 too at 11-9-1.

In the post-war era, playing OSU to a .500 record is standard for Michigan.

October 17th, 2010 at 3:17 AM | Carr's wins against OSU were (Score:1)
kriegers
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Carr's wins against OSU were against Cooper and losses were against Tressel and while the total may be near .500, the repetitive losses were not good. 

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October 17th, 2010 at 3:35 AM | That's not just factually (Score:1)
nazooq
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That's not just factually wrong (Carr did beat Tressel in 2003) but irrelavant.  Your point was that Michigan doesn't have a tradition of losing to OSU while the truth is that they do lose to OSU about half the time.  Carr continued along that historical norm.

October 18th, 2010 at 12:57 AM | if you think 18 losses in 31 games is bad (Score:1)
ShruteBeetFarms
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Let's keep having a revolving door with our coaching staff  and see where that gets us!

Let RR coach the kids up and do his thing recruiting!

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October 17th, 2010 at 6:05 PM | Probably the losing part.  I (Score:1)
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Probably the losing part.  I don't care if we "pile" up 20 yards as long as we win.

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October 16th, 2010 at 10:40 PM | wait till next year (Score:1)
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Then wait till 2012. Then we'll re-assess. We outgained Iowa today.  Thats the new way to win games.

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October 16th, 2010 at 10:42 PM | OMG WE DIDN'T BEAT A GREAT (Score:1)
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OMG WE DIDN'T BEAT A GREAT TEAM BECAUSE OF A FEW TURNOVERS AND THE FACT THAT THE OTHER TEAM HAD BETTER AND MORE MATURE PLAYERS THAN US LET'S FIRE THE COACH OMG!

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October 16th, 2010 at 11:01 PM | I agree (Score:1)
ShruteBeetFarms
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Gee, I could have sworn we were underdogs and not supposed to win this one!

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October 16th, 2010 at 11:09 PM | That's what the communists (Score:1)
BlockM
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That's what the communists want you to think. We should have won this in a blowout.

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