| Michigan | 2-0 | 58 | 0 | 6-0 | 228 | 75 | W6 |
| Michigan State | 1-0 | 10 | 7 | 4-1 | 140 | 51 | W2 |
| Nebraska | 1-1 | 17 | 48 | 5-1 | 222 | 163 | W1 |
| Iowa | 0-1 | 3 | 13 | 3-2 | 154 | 108 | L1 |
| Northwestern | 0-2 | 35 | 38 | 2-3 | 139 | 139 | L3 |
| Minnesota | 0-2 | 17 | 103 | 1-5 | 108 | 210 | L3 |
[West] Division Standings updated above. Anyone not understanding why you should have been rooting for the Buckeyes the last 2 weeks? They are the ONLY team to have supplied non-M victories to the ENTIRE [West] Division.
Yeah, but, they lost so...
Yeah, but, MSU and Nebraska
Yeah, but, MSU and Nebraska losing is more helpful to Michigan.
Which is more important to you, Michigan succeeding or Ohio not succeeding?
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I disagree with the notion
I disagree with the notion that Nebraska or MSU losing was more beneficial to Michigan. I will agree that for this specific season, it probably increases our odds to win the Big Ten, however, in the long-term, Ohio losing is FAR more beneficial to Michigan.
If Ohio struggles, their recruiting is likely to fall off, making it easier for Michigan to beat them on a yearly basis. This is important not only because it likely improves Michigan's recruiting, but also because think about if Hoke begins to beat up on Ohio for a while? It will solidify him at Michigan and put an end to the theory of Michigan struggling, etc.
Also, let's not act as if those teams losing would have helped us THAT much. If we end up losing to MSU and Nebraska, it will probably not make any difference. If Michigan wins they will help themselves.
I will ALWAYS root against Ohio no matter who they face
Or, you know, we could do it
Or, you know, we could do it the old fashion way and BEAT MSU AND NEBRASKA OURSELVES. Yes, I was yelling. I am not worried about somebody else beating them, since we play them this year. Its our job. If we lose we don't deserve to be ahead of them i the division. Seriously.
Yea you're right
1 loss should elimante us...If we lose to MSU this week just cancel the rest of the season ecause were not doing it the old fashioned way.
How can you kill that which has no life
That's not what he said jerk
That's not what he said jerk off
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Yes it is more helpful if MSU
Yes it is more helpful if MSU and Nebraska lose. But, remember: Michigan has a chance to take care of business on the field with both of them. So, we can have our cake and eat it too.
I want to see OSU lose. Every. Single. Week.
I know...
what the answer is in Cbus. Pathetic.
MSU and Nebraska losing is only helpful to Michigan
if they lose to Michigan. If they win every other game then lose to us then it helps Michigan, if they lose every single game including against Michigan then it helps us not at all. Understand?
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wut
wut
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UM succeeding. We're not
UM succeeding. We're not MSU/Dantonio ("two victories in one day . . .").
Wow that looks sad
I can't help but to get excited when I see that. How all of the teams in our division have faltered is beyond me...
Forever, Go Blue!
I will never root for Ohio State
If we deserve to the divison, then great, but I will root for an 0-12 season for the Buckeyes every year.
Oh how I hate Ohio State!
As much as I hate Ohio, if
As much as I hate Ohio, if they were 0-12 every year then the rivalry would be diminished because Michigan would walk all over them each year. That does not mean I root for Ohio, but I wouldn't want them 0-12 every year
I wouldn't worry about
I wouldn't worry about degrading the rivalry. It didn't happen the last 3 years while we were down, and it ain't happening next 10 years while Ohio struggles to find a decent coach
I wouldn't get too far ahead
I wouldn't get too far ahead of yourself by saying the the rivalry hasn't diminished over the last couple of years. Although it will always mean plenty to those intimately involved, it has certainly diminished on a national level. I have lived in south carolina and florida over the last 5 years. SEC fans used to pay a lot of attention to THE GAME, now it's just another game to watch on a saturday. Don't be fooled into thinking this rivalry will always be nationally relevant; both teams need to be relevant in order for anyone outside of big ten country to care.
The Rivalry..
will never diminish with those who find it important, namely the people of Michigan and Ohio. This rivalry has been going on since 1835 when the Toldeo war broke out. I doubt those that have revelled in this storied rivalry like Yost, Crisler and Schembechler would give a rip what the SEC thinks about their Rivalry game with tsio or what people think on a national level.
Yeah but it would also mean
Yeah but it would also mean our status in conference and nationally would be that much more elevated, we would continue to recruit well in Ohio, someone else would pick up the slack and be better and we'd have a bigger game against them...I'm sure there are negatives about the goose egg for Brutus but as far as I'm concerned I'm down with them going 0-12, sorry rivalry...
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well, winning a division usually--scratch that--always
results from some combo of a team's wins and its opponents' losses, so. . . "deserving". . . hmmm.
I hate the buckeyes
but theres something very right about Michigan and Ohio State meeting in November with matching 11-0 records. That sort of tradition is why Michigan and Ohio State is the greatest rivalry in sports.
People around here act like
People around here act like this is baseball or something. Michigan needs to win the conference by besting their opponents on the field. If I have to root for OSU for us to win our division, they we don't deserve it. If OSU was playing Satan's own army, I'd root for Satan.
Well put. UM doesn't need to
Well put. UM doesn't need to worry about what OSU or any other team from the Leaders division does against Legends division teams. UM only needs to focus on winning each of its games. If UM beats MSU and Nebraska head-to-head it won't matter what OSU did or didn't do against them.
In summary: F*ck OSU. Go Blue!
We ARE Michigan....COME GET SOME!!!
You want to take care of your
You want to take care of your own business first, then think about what happens to the other guy. If Michigan wins, then they will be atop the standings. I may root for OSU sometimes (rare though they are) but I am not shedding any tears over their 0-2 start.
Semper Fidelis
OSU was playing Satan's own
OSU was playing Satan's own army
Isn't that called in intrasquad scrimage?
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yes they wear the
yes they wear the scarlet.
Semper Fidelis
I Would Say That...
.....intellectually, everyone is well-aware as to why we need OSU to at least show up at the game, but on an emotional level, it is a terrible lowering of personal barriers to even consider cheering on OSU.
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If OSU loses every game and
If OSU loses every game and we win every game, does it matter? No...so I want us to do our job and not care what others do, especially tOSU
Beating MSU puts us in the
Beating MSU puts us in the drivers seat for the division. Really hoping Nebraska and MSU lose next weekend.
Why anyone would root for Nebraska over OSU is completely beyond my understanding.
Go Blue!
You obviously have not
You obviously have not experienced the pain of taking classes while surrounded by idiots. A crowd of idiots wearing OSU hats and Salty Dog Cafe T-shirts while Facebooking in the middle of lecture. It's those guys that drive me crazy, even more than the guys who make it on the TV at gametime.
Abort, Retry, Fail?
think Nebraska has a bye
next weekend, plays Minny the week after that. OSU has a chance to help us by beating the Illini in Champaign.
OSU v Illinois is in the other division
OSU v Illinois is in the other division and has no effect on us.
AKA, Go Illini!
AKA, Go Illini!
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It does to the extent of
It does to the extent of answering the question: who will we face in the B1G championship if we make it there?
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put on the gloves of gray.
And as Revelli played The Victors,
they laid Woody Hayes away.
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How does that help us?
Touchdown Michigan!
I'm really, really hoping MSU
I'm really, really hoping MSU loses next weekend too.
Also, although we should root for OSU, I'm totally okay with them being a tire fire for a couple of years.
It's simple really
They are THE Ohio State University. I rest my case.
We will really be in the
We will really be in the drivers seat if we beat MSU, because they have the "privilege" of playing Wisconsin. If they lose that too, then they'll have two B1G losses and we'd have to lose three to finish behind them because of the tiebreak that we would hold in that situation.
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After an M victory over MSU,
After an M victory over MSU, we will obviously be in the drivers seat wrt to MSU. Further, the Nebraska loss to Wisky gives us an edge over the Cornhuskers, but we still have to beat the them.
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You should try getting it
You should try getting it more
Don't You Think I've Tried?
Don't you think I've had this chat with my spouse?
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The Rivalry
Justingoblue, if you don't understand why anyone would root for Nebraska over OSU, then you don't understand the rivalry.
What is this? I don't even
What is this? I don't even understand.
It's fun to hate your rival but they aren't your rival if you can't respect them. I don't actively root for them but I would rather we beat them in a good year for them than in a bad year for them. The only day it really matters is that last game in November. That's when it's important that they lose. Other than that, I see them as an instrument of our benefit. Ideally, they would beat the people in our division and lose to the ones in their own.
Twenty-two Michigan Wolverines
put on the gloves of gray.
And as Revelli played The Victors,
they laid Woody Hayes away.
No
No, you don't understand.
Yes
He makes perfect sense. This division thing - long term - is going to impact rivalries and who Michigan fans desire to see win games....like it or not.
I commend your courage and
I commend your courage and agree. There is a strong likelihood that the M-OSU rivalry is dimished over time under the current division structure. The goal is to win Big Ten championships. In order to win those you first need to win your division and beating folks in your division (MSU and Nebraska) is more important to winning the division than is beating OSU. Because, when you beat MSU and Nebraska you not only improve your record, you worsen a division foes record and you gain the tie breaker. Of those, beating OSU only improves your record.
"Is There Anybody Out There?" Pink Floyd, The Wall.
Hoke does though. He gets it,
Hoke does though. He gets it, amirite?????
Twenty-two Michigan Wolverines
put on the gloves of gray.
And as Revelli played The Victors,
they laid Woody Hayes away.
If we're going to start
If we're going to start making judgements, I could just as easily say that you don't understand what it means to support Michigan football if you root for Legends teams to beat Leaders teams in crossover games.
Winning the division helps Michigan, Nebraska losing increases the odds of Michigan doing that. There is no room for interpretation here, it's fact.
Go Blue!
Judgments
I thought I may have been getting a little too personal questioning anyone's understanding of the rivalry, but don't try to make me out as the bad guy "start(ing) to make judgments.". You did that in your original comment.
I said that I didn't
I said that I didn't understand why anyone would, I didn't make a personal judgement about anyone's fandom.
If you want to give me a concrete reason to root for a divisional opponent to beat a non-divisional opponent (that's also a better reason than increasing the odds of a BTCG berth), I will admit that I'm wrong. Until then, I will continue to not understand this thinking.
I don't know of any Michigan fans who are fond of OSU. I hope they lose every game in their division in embarrassing fashion and we pants them on November 26. I also want to eliminate every divisional opponent from contention as soon as possible, which means hoping OSU beats Nebraska and MSU. Maybe a better way to put it is saying I hope those teams lose, would that be better with everyone?
Go Blue!
But , but, but we shouldn't
But , but, but we shouldn't "back-'in", we should win it for ourselves! In fact, it is painfully clear that we should absolutely refuse an invitation to the Big Ten championship game in any year in which we lose any divisional game. Why turn an invite down in those circumstances? Because, obviously in any year that you lose a divisional game the only way that you could get a chance to go the the championship game is someone else helped you. And obviously, that is below us!
In all seriousness, I don't get the logic that an OSU loss > than increasing M chances of going to the championship game. Whether or not those chances are increased via "backing-in"".
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Yeah, but, they lost so... I'm happy.
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