Way OT: Thinking about cord-cutting- Sling TV?

Submitted by Wolverine Devotee on

So I've been enjoying Roku a lot and was wondering if I should just get rid of my Comcast cable?

I'm paying for so much crap that I don't even watch. 

Is SlingTV any good? Anyone watch games with it? That's the only thing I watch on television is sporting events. All my shows I can watch on Youtube or Netflix or "another" website.

I have a Roku stick as opposed to a player. Would getting a player be better for having Sling?

tee wrecks

February 9th, 2017 at 10:09 AM ^

Unless they've changed to process recently, I think you might need a Roku box or an Amazon Fire TV box, rather than just a browser to get started.  When I converted to PlayStation Vue last year, you needed one of those or an acutal PlayStation unit (which is more expensive) to initiate the service.  After the service has been initiated, you can use the service on a wider variety of devices (e.g., iOS), but you needed one of the supported streaming boxes to get it set up initially.  I think the streaming box will have some navigation advantages, too.

For me a Roku box and an OTA HD antanae were minor investments compared to the monthly cost reduction from cable.

kiser17

February 9th, 2017 at 2:14 PM ^

ND Sux,

Make sure you check the PS Vue offering in your area.  In Fremont, Ohio, I do not get local channels through PS Vue (ABC, NBC, CBS, Fox).  So I use an antenna in my atticto get UM football on ABC, or NFL sundays on Fox/CBS .  I wire it via coax (traditional "cable" wire) to a splitter, and then run coax to each of my 6 TVs.  Please consider this before you switch.  

Note also that I need to switch the TV/Stereo inputs from Roku to my TV antenna input to flip from Vue (ESPN/BTN) to antenna signal (ABC, CBS, etc..).  So it is a bit clunky flipping between games.  I have an App (iRule) that allows me to build my own custom remote control for my ipad and iphones, so I have simple buttons that will change the inputs on all devices (TV, Stereo, etc...) when I want to flip.  It is still better having everything on one platform.

That said, those conveniences are not worth $50/month+ for us.  Very happy we switched. 

 

tee wrecks

February 9th, 2017 at 10:02 AM ^

I would echo the recommentions for PlayStation Vue over Sling.  It has all of my sports based covered and more:  all ESPNs, BTN, FS1 and FS2, Fox Sports Detriot (in West Michigan--your area may have different or none) for Tigers games, NBC Sports (Premiere League), BeIn Sports (I would never pay for it, but it has German, Italian, and French soccer leagues, which I now watch on occasion).

I had Sling for about a year before the current version of PSV and would never go back.  The "virtual DVR" is a little wonky sometimes and not as good as a true DVR, but it is better than nothing.

Big Brown Jug

February 9th, 2017 at 10:04 AM ^

Sling works fine, but it has some issues.  It started out with a nice clean, simple interface for about 20 or so popular channels.  However in the last year they've added  a ton of crap channels, on-demand content, and other garbage that makes navigation just as bloated and frustrating as your standard cable menu.  

 

I'd give the Playstation thing a try, supposedly their sports options are better.

The Maizer

February 9th, 2017 at 10:12 AM ^

I'm planning to cut the cord and switch to PS Vue in the coming months, but after paying for that and the Comcast internet, it's only marginally cheaper than what I pay now for cable+internet through Comcast. Anyone have a trick/advice to get the lowest internet price (in Ann Arbor)?

WestQuad

February 9th, 2017 at 10:14 AM ^

PS Vue looks like a great bargain, but no comedy central.  The $34.99 package has TBS, AMC, FX, FXX and most of the sports channels.  If it had CC I'd switch in an instant.

misterpage

February 9th, 2017 at 10:15 AM ^

I am currently running trials of sling and ps vue right now and I had the opportunity to view the super bowl on both platforms. I was disappointed. While normal tv shows seem to come in fine, live sports just doesn't look the same.

Another consideration I've been having is if saving 20-30$ a month is really even worth it. Between Netflix Hulu wifi and a 30-50$ service like sling or psvue still lookin at $125.

Carl Spackler

February 9th, 2017 at 10:17 AM ^

Is there a place to go on the internets that can completely walk me step by step on what I need to buy and do to cut the cord?  I have no idea what Vue and Roku and Sling are and how they interface, I don't own a PS4 etc,,,

yzerman19

February 9th, 2017 at 10:25 AM ^

that watches Nat Geo, Cartoon Network and wife that watches all the home improvement channels.  Will they be able to live with PS Vue?

lilpenny1316

February 9th, 2017 at 10:42 AM ^

I'd be careful though.  When I reupped in November, they had Comedy Central.  Now it's gone.  All Viacom networks are gone.  Also, you won't be able to watch ABC, at least I couldn't in Detroit.  So I had to use the rabbit ears.

I Love Lamp

February 9th, 2017 at 10:32 AM ^

I ditched cable after they kept raising prices every two months, eventually getting up to $150/month before I said to hell with it. Funny when I cancelled it, they offered $112/month. So why could you have not done this in the first place? Satellite is starting to do the same thing. $70/month to start, 1 year later, $105. I'm sure that will climb as well. So my question is (and maybe I missed this in earlier posts), does streaming have these sharp spikes in pricing? I feel this is the future anyway, but I guess I'm trigger shy, primarily because I'm not tech savvy, and I worry about delays, internet connection, etc.

ThatFatMan42

February 9th, 2017 at 10:59 AM ^

The number one thing, especially with Comcast, is the introduction of arbitrary and completely unnecessary data caps.  I'm on Comcast now and am capped at 1TB for the month.  Once you start streaming your usage will go way up, especially if you stream anything in 4k.  They charge something like $50 for the next chunk of data too.  This is basically them responding to the people who are cord cutting and trying to recapture lost revenue and it's sickening.  

ThatFatMan42

February 9th, 2017 at 1:37 PM ^

There is no easy answer to this.  It depends on how much streaming you use.  Yes 1TB is a lot, but if you are doing a little streaming and gaming and using 150GB already and have cable, then you should keep in mind that cable does not use any data.  But if you replace cable with Sling TV or PS Vue and only stream your shows, you will use more depending on what and how much you watch.   

http://www.consumerreports.org/telecom-services/how-easy-to-burn-throug…

This will give you some better ideas.  Short version is HD video is 1-3GB per hour, roughly 400 hours of video a month.  4k can eat up 7-10GB per hour, roughly 100 or so hours a month.  That's a lot, sure, but broadband usage is only going up, how long before it isn't enough?

Blue Mike

February 9th, 2017 at 10:37 AM ^

You all realize that you aren't "cord-cutting" if you're replacing your DirecTV/Dish service with Vue/Sling, right? You're just replacing the big fat cord with a skinnier cord and still paying for channels you don't watch all the time (but fewer of them). One step at a time, I guess.

MaizeJacket

February 9th, 2017 at 10:43 AM ^

How to watch 95% of sports and tv (a.k.a. college football) without subscribing to cable

 

Okay, let's get to it.

 
First of all, one of the ways (and probably the biggest way, IMO) that cable moguls keep people tethered to them is the requirement to log in to a streaming service that streams over-the-air content (ABC, CBS, ESPN, SECN, AMC, Food Net, whatever), with your cable subscription.  Well, from what I have discovered, PlayStation Vue counts as a subscription service.  It will be able to get you most of what you need (and will be crucial during college football season).
 
1. PlayStation Vue
    PlayStation Vue offers three tiers of bundles.  Access, Core, and Elite.  I have Core.  It has most of what you need; going to Elite won't get you anything more that you need that is offered by Vue.  What Vue does not have at all right now is MLB Network, NBA Network, Pac-12 Network, and CBS Sports Network.  It does have live and local big FOX and CBS (at least in Atlanta, might want to check for Detroit) and BTN. Pleasantly, your local Fox Sports networks are part of the Core plan (again, my plan), so you're not missing out on your Braves or Hawks (or Tigers or Pistons or Wings).  The cost per month for the Core plan is $34.99, which is a steal IMO. From what I can tell, the main streaming apps (WatchESPN, Fox Sports Go, NBC Live Extra, etc.) have Vue set up as an affiliated provider, so you can log in with your Vue subscription credentials to watch on your devices, even if the event is on big NBC or ABC. You can stream Vue on up to 5 devices at the same time.
 
Now that we have our subscription option, the next question is which streaming device would be best to grab?
 
The first thing I'll say about this is avoid Smart TVs.  What I'm seeing about them is a couple of bad things.  One is their app selection is quite limited (so, you cannot simply search all apps and add them, your "smart" TV is not able to access all the apps you may want).  The other thing is smart TVs would not be kept updated over time, so the technology may be outdated in only a year or two.  Smart TVs, refrain from them.  They're more expensive and more primitive than the promos would have you believe.
 
After digging and researching streamers, what I'm seeing is that the Roku sits at the top of the heap.  The main reasons are reliable streams and, most importantly, the virtually endless selection of apps (a.k.a. channels).  Now that we've selected Roku for our needs, we need to pick a version.  Currently there are five Roku options.  Roku 1, Roku 2, Roku 3, Roku 4, and the Roku Stick.  I cannot find much on the Roku 1, which is probably a sign.  The Roku 2 is your basic ethernet-capable streamer, with a simple remote and without the bells and whistles of the R3 or R4 (feel free to research what those extra features are, they seemed useless and excessive to me).  The Roku Stick does what the physical streamers do, but it's a USB drive that you plug into your HDTV.  The only reason I would support the Roku 2 over the Roku Stick is that with the Roku 2 you can be hooked up with a wired ethernet connection to your local area network, instead of depending on wifi for your stream (which I'm seeing in a two-story house can be pretty touch-and-go).  So, bottom line, grab a Roku 2 for your streamer.  The PlayStation Vue app is on the Roku, so you're good there.  Roku 2s are currently going for $70 as a standard market price, but I found some on some secondary (but legit) online sellers for $52/$53.
 
So, while this might get you what you need/want, nothing offers you 100% of what you desire.  Here's what we know about each (concerning the stuff we care about).
 
PlayStation Vue (Core)
 
Pros
- Lower price ($34.99/month)
- Fox Sports local network(s) included
- Most important sports channels included (ESPN, ESPN2, SECN, BTN, etc.)
- Local and live FOX and CBS channel included
- Can stream on up to 5 devices at the same time with Core subscription
- Software remains updated
- Can watch sports even if they are on NBC or ABC with the respective sports apps and your PS Vue login.
 
Cons
- No live network ABC or NBC (but live sports are still available on these channels with their own respective apps) , CBS Sports Network, Pac-12 Network, or probably some local channels depending on where you live.
 
I have 6 screens that I use basically for college football season, and this past season was my first as a cord-cutter.  It went fantastically.  The only caveat is I have to have the 150 Mbps internet service through Comcast to support all the streaming.  Depending on your household, you might be able to get away with much less.  ~25-50 Mbps for a single-person househould would probably be plenty and would be around $50 or so.  I'm paying $100 for the 150 Mbps gusto, but it's well worth it to me.  Combind that with the $35 Vue Core subscription and it's easily $60 less than what I was paying for cable.

ThatFatMan42

February 9th, 2017 at 11:05 AM ^

I've had a roku 2 for a few years.  Decent machine.  However it does have some notable issues with overheating on certain apps.  YouTube comes to mind here.  I've heard but not confirmed the newer roku 3/4 players are better in this regard and I believe the 4 uses multi core processing so it should be pretty fast.  The 2 is sometimes a tad slow to me

MaizeJacket

February 9th, 2017 at 11:50 AM ^

I noticed sometimes I will get the "retrieving" bar through the Roku during some games, but I figured that was the nature of live streaming.  It usually only lasts for 1-5 seconds, though.  I invested for several Roku 2s to support my multi-screen experience, so I'm stuck for now.

kiser17

February 9th, 2017 at 2:27 PM ^

MaizeJacket, 

I did not know this! This is good news, but would have been better to know before I wired my antenna coax to every TV in the house.  I will look to add these channels to my Rokus tonight. 

- Can watch sports even if they are on NBC or ABC with the respective sports apps and your PS Vue login.

phil610

February 9th, 2017 at 10:49 AM ^

I switched to PSVue. 35 bucks a month and I get 6 Espn channels, Fox Sports, BTN and a few other sports channels. Best move ever And now I see others have posted the same thing, Im slow

SteamboatWolverine

February 9th, 2017 at 11:03 AM ^

To watch games at home where he only had Comcast internet, he logged into his own Comcast Xfinity TV account from his 2nd home.  No issues, but he didn't have BTN.  For games on BTN, he logged into his relative's in MI's Comcast account without any problem.

Lag on streaming was definitely an issue.  He disabled notifications on the Score iphone app and stopped checking internet updates completely after realizing there was a 1-2 minute delay most of the time.

 

TrueblueGA

February 9th, 2017 at 11:11 AM ^

I recently did the same thing.  Was paying through the nose for Directv.  Compared Sling and Vue and went with Vie for a few reasons.  First, it has both ESPN and the Big Ten Network so I can still see all Michigan games.  Also more flexibility by allowing up to 4 TVs to use the service at the same time.  The monthly fee is $35 and so far so good.  I have this running on 4 TVs and am using Roku Streaming Sticks on all of those TVs.  I was paying $130/month for Directv.

The downside is as follows:

1) Local channels - I'm in Atlanta and Vue only gives me 2 of 4 local channels so I backed it up with an over the air antenna for my family room TV.

2) Wireless fees and bandwidth.  You  need to consider your data plan when switching.  I had a 1T plan with Comcast that allowed them to charge me additoinal fees ofer that montly volume.   I switched to a ATT Unlimited plan which fixes that problem (and saved money here too).

3) No DVR and not all the channels I had.  Initially an issue as my favorite show is on the History Channel (Vikiings) and its not included.  I've found I can get all those shows a day after they are broadcast on the History channel website.  Also, getting used to several of the Roku apps that allow me to watch (through the Vue subsciption) recently broadcast shows.  These include things like FoxNow, NBC All Access etc.  

After the investment of buy 4 Roku devices, I estimate my monthly savings to be between $120-$180 per month by switching data services and ditching Directv.

 

This is Michigan

February 9th, 2017 at 11:16 AM ^

PSVue over Sling. PSVue's user interface/menu is a bit annoying, but better in terms of content and quality. One thing you have to be aware of is to exit the PSVue app on your Roku when you're finished watching. Otherwise, it will continue to download data. Not sure about Comcast but AT&T has data limits. I accidentally left the PSVue app running for 2+ days straight which ended up consuming about 1/3 of my 1 TB data limit.

1 percent

February 9th, 2017 at 11:18 AM ^

It's probably been said but it's only as good as your internet.

 

I used it a couple years ago and it may have gotten better since then. I liked it a lot. TNT and ESPN was basically all I ever watched, plus it was month to month so if you dont like it then you can leave it easily.

I have a wife though that didn't like the change. I have cable now.

Maize and Luke

February 9th, 2017 at 11:21 AM ^

Love to cord cut but with as much streaming that goes on in our house we need (or don't want to sacrifice) high speed internet which still runs about $100 from Comtrash. So I wouldn't save enough to justify cutting aside from telling Comtrash to stick it.

blueball97

February 9th, 2017 at 11:22 AM ^

Depending on the number of services you pay for the cost differential isn't worth the hassle. We had Netflix ($10h Hulu ($15), Sling ($20) and 100mb internet ($60) totaling ~$110 per month. Our UVerse Gigabit service with U300 and HD tier is $160 and we have access to every sports Network imaginable.

ScruffyTheJanitor

February 9th, 2017 at 11:26 AM ^

But when my wife and I did the math, we realized that not just having Comcast only saved us about 5 bucks. For us, the Internet packacge we need is 80 bucks, and we pay $110 Dollars a month for the Digital Basic and internet package combined. That 30 extra bucks is probably less that we would pay for streaming services actually. 

Now, if we lived 10 miles to the south, we could use another, cheaper ISP. However, Comcast was the only internet availiable to us (the only other ISP availible to us in Paducah F*cking Kentucky could only do 10 MBPS, which won't cut it when I have to work from home), just going with Comcast was a no-brainer-- especially with a toddler running around. 

mdaddio110

February 9th, 2017 at 11:28 AM ^

So I'm enthralled by this thread and thinking of cutting DirecTV for PS Vue. Can someone verify if you can run it off the Fire Stick? I'm also hearing a lot about the Kodi app on the Fire Stick...any idea if this is still a legit thing?