BlueWolverine02

August 19th, 2020 at 6:12 PM ^

This whole season was so poorly planned out. What the hell did they think would happen when you bring kids back to campus?

Either bring kids back and just roll with it, in which case might as well play football as well, or keep kids off campus and maybe you can make an effort to play football with a degree of safety.  Or just shut the whole thing down and have no campus and no football.

Having a full campus with no football is simply a lose lose scenario.

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Grampy

August 20th, 2020 at 8:02 AM ^

I thought UNC was going to all on-line this week?  That would be, then, an empty campus with fall sports, an equally hypocritical (albeit more profitable) situation.  Either way, shutting sports down until tomorrow night won't fix anything, unless they are using the time to chase the rest of the student body off campus with fire hoses.  UNC should have had more severe penalties for their academic fraud.

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mGrowOld

August 19th, 2020 at 6:24 PM ^

While statistically 18-22 year olds have a very low fatality rate it is a number greater than zero.  Meaning if enough players get it, somebody very well might have a really bad outcome.

I can't even imagine how horrible that would be for the school and even the conference if that were to happen.  How would they defend their decision to play, especially with multiple conferences shutting down and multiple outbreaks occurring on teams that are planning on playing.

I've said it before,  I'd rather Michigan was wrong by not playing than be wrong by playing.

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TomTerrific

August 20th, 2020 at 12:25 AM ^

I guess everything can be considered a matter of time.  The death rate of COVID for college aged kids is next to nothing but you are correct, someone will surely die.  That being said:

As of 2018, 30 college football players have died during workouts since 2000, almost 2 per year. https://www.acsh.org/news/2018/09/28/30-ncaa-football-players-have-died-during-workouts-2000-hbo-reveals-13456

23 have died from heat stroke since 2010 (more than 2 per year), 61 since 1996. https://nccsir.unc.edu/files/2019/02/Annual-Football-2018-Fatalities-FINAL.pdf

College football players die every year from heat stroke, sickle cell or a variety of other unknown conditions.  Yes, I am sure there will be some deaths but there will be other non-football college students that are just as much at risk from corona.  

I guess my point is, we are all at risk with this virus or any other virus.  Is playing football putting them at any greater risk than just living their daily life? 

I could jump from an airplane and not have my chute open, I could walk in the mountains and get bit by a rattlesnake, I can get bit by a bee and have a severe allergic reaction, I can be in the sun and potentially get skin cancer, and I could stay in my basement and have health issues from a lack of vitamin D.  

At some point, people need to live and make the choices on what risk they want to take. 

 

 

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Gulogulo37

August 20th, 2020 at 2:22 AM ^

The problem with this is you're arguing because the schools have been so poor taking care of athletes' health, compounding the risk is fine. I look at that and think maybe we should have more safety protocols in the sport, not fewer. 

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Michigan Arrogance

August 20th, 2020 at 7:58 AM ^

This is such a fucking horseshit argument. And quite frankly, I'm fucking tired of it.

1) re: heatstroke and other diseases. Those numbers (2-4 per year) don't just result and then we all throw our hands up and say, "oh well, it's a dangerous world, whatareyagonnado amitire?" Like the seatbelt arguement that REAL morons run out to argue against the severity of this virus, we, as a society, have taken multiple steps to mitigate those risks BECAUSE ITS OUR MORAL RESPONSIBILITY AS ADULTS TO DO SO. Remember when that kid at Maryland died? The whole CFB community reevalueated their procedures and oversight, Maryland fired Durkin and he's been personna-non-grata ever since. Remember the Shane Morris fiasco? I guess he should have just known the risks according to you.

2) I could jump from an airplane and not have my chute open, I could walk in the mountains and get bit by a rattlesnake, I can get bit by a bee and have a severe allergic reaction, I can be in the sun and potentially get skin cancer, and I could stay in my basement and have health issues from a lack of vitamin D.  

Thank god you're not in charge of QA for the ACME Parachute Co, otherwise some poor desert coyote might have an accident. Also, ever hear of sunscreen? Reapply every hour. Low on VitD? Take a Flinstones chewable. The point is, there are things we can do to minimize the risk. The deaths per year in these scenarious have come DOWN to the current levels and it took a lot of work to get there. Ask Ralph Nader.

3) Not to mention, for the billionth fucking time, that those decisions (parachute, skin cancer, heat stroke) are not fucking contageous. It's more a kin to drunk driving - the more people are allowed to do it, THE MORE WE ARE ALL AT RISK DUE TO YOUR DECISIONS. So if you and I and our wives go hiking with a friend, let's call him, TomB. TomB rattlles every bee hive he can find on the trail and picks up every rattler he sees and trows them in random directions. When I get bit by a snake he threw and your wife gets stung by a bee and has a severe allergic reaction, can you agree that we all would have been safer had I just pushed his ignorant ass off the 1000 meter cliff at the beginning of the trail? Or perhaps you'd still say, "sorry guys at some point, people need to live and make the choices on what risk they want to take."

 

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TomTerrific

August 20th, 2020 at 9:35 AM ^

Angry much?  Maybe my examples were a little outrageous and I agree that heatstroke is not contagious (spelling works). I also was not poking bee hives and throwing snakes.  My point is we are all living our lives and are putting ourselves at risk not just with covid.   Are they really at any more risk that they are going to walmart or getting their hair cut?

But keep yelling, keep being angry, and stay the hell in your basement if you feel that way.

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Michigan Arrogance

August 20th, 2020 at 10:00 AM ^

 Are they really at any more risk that they are going to walmart or getting their hair cut?

Yes

 

But keep yelling, keep being angry, and stay the hell in your basement if you feel that way.

FUCK OFF- NO. I want my kids to have a normal life for the next school year. We were all on lock down for 2.5 months and if idiots keep down playing this thing we'll be right back where we were in March-April. Football isn't worth it right now b/c the failures of ~30 states and the fed. govt. have led to 5+ million infections and 170k deaths, still about 1,000/day dead now.

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TomTerrific

August 20th, 2020 at 1:01 PM ^

I never said you will catch a hair cut by going to get a hair cut.  I implied that be going out anywhere (including stores, hair cuts, church, restaurants, etc), you are exposed to contagious things. 

These guys will be in a very controlled atmosphere, much more controlled than all the other places mentioned.  Now if you want to argue against them being in school at all, that is fine, a bunch of kids partying in school is a much greater risk of spreading covid than getting a hair cut.  

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TomTerrific

August 20th, 2020 at 5:11 PM ^

Sure - football players are going to be mostly around each other and tested regularly.  Pretty easy to quickly identify and trace people who test positive.  

Going to stores, restaurants, basically any public areas are much more at risk of contacting the virus, not knowing it, infecting others, before ever being tested.  This makes it next to impossible to trace.

Really it boils down to unless you are locked in your basement and not going anywhere, you are putting yourself at risk.  How much risk depends upon your age, health, and how well you practice good hygiene.

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TIMMMAAY

August 20th, 2020 at 10:56 AM ^

It's funny (actually disgusting, but we'll go with "funny") to me how so many of your type fall back on the "angry" trope. Yes, a lot of us are very, very angry with people like you, who have near zero critical thinking skills. There's not any point in saying any of this to you, I know. You're not a very smart man. Once you see that you're out of your depth, you guys just revert to school yard bullshit. 

It's really sad, frustrating, infuriating, and downright discouraging. How the hell do you not see reality? It's right in front of your goddamn face. 

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TomTerrific

August 20th, 2020 at 1:45 PM ^

So many of my type???  Do you know anything about me?  How is it a trope when you state in your comment that your are angry with 'people like me'? You don't know me. Yet, according to you, I have zero critical thinking skills. 

As for 'my type'... 

  • I don't watch Fox or CNN (or others) to get information.  They are only there to provide shock value and drive fear.
  • I use facts, statistics, and logic to make decisions vs ridiculing others with different opinions and calling them 'not a smart man'.
  • I have 2 doctors and 2 nurses in my family.  I rely on their knowledge, expertise, and information about what is really going on in the hospitals to keep me informed.
  • I have a mathematics degree with a computer science minor. While this may not guarantee I am 'smart', they do require critical thinking skills and logic. 

So Timmmaay, I continually have a pretty clear picture as to what is going on.  I refuse to overreact to the irrational fears being driven by the media.  I refuse to instill panic in my kids about all of this.  We have lived our lives pretty normally since March while following the given guidelines.  

My family and I are in a very good mental state as a result of living our lives and paying attention to the facts.  It does not appear the same can be said for all of the 'angry' posters.

 

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