UM's SAE Fraternity Chapter Suspended
The world weeps finishes its sandwich and goes back to work as the Intrafraternity Council suspends SAE
“One event was a relay-race of sorts, with the pledge class broken up into four teams. At the start, each person had to ‘chug’ a beer (some containing raw eggs) and proceed to run up three flights of stairs that had been adequately doused with dish soap, vegetable oil, Crisco, and other slippery substances — not to mention the various food items scattered about."
On the top floor, the pledges were subjected to more abuse as they ran down a hallway, the parent wrote.
“Brothers shot airsoft guns, threw eggs, poked and tripped them with broomsticks, poured buckets of flour on them, and did just about everything possible to slow them down …
The following night was dubbed Entertainment night, for which the pledges bought beer and pizza and paid for two strippers to entertain the fraternity members, then gave their own performance while brothers pelted them with eggs, the parent wrote.
“Some of the acts? Brothers taking hockey slap-shots at the pledge class using tennis balls as hockey pucks; two pledges drinking cups of water with goldfish, regurgitating them back out into a bowl, and another pledge drinking the remainder; and, the most disgusting of them all, brothers violently kicking pledges in the groin to ensure that they were wearing athletic support cups, which they were told to have on 24.7 throughout ‘hell week.’”
While this makes hazing at Tulane look like a death penalty, it's stupid and if you're pulling that crap and expecting it not to emerge in this age is absurd.
February 11th, 2011 at 11:00 PM ^
But the pledges were roaring drunk during most of this, and half of it was probably the drunk pledges' ideas.
February 12th, 2011 at 8:20 AM ^
But their sweet little babies would NEVER behave like that!
<br>Seriously this helicopter parenting in college thing is getting ridiculous.
February 11th, 2011 at 11:01 PM ^
You spend too much time on the RCMB. I swear that 2/3 of the topics you post are pulled directly from there.
February 11th, 2011 at 11:10 PM ^
i'd also love to see how my getting home to review the news of the day means i read it on their site. wouldn't i have posted it shortly after they did if you were correct?
tl;dr: shut up
p.s. Provide me 5 posts i've created that are RCMB-sourced. i'd love to see it since 2/3 of my posts are from there and all.
February 11th, 2011 at 11:11 PM ^
You spend too much time on the RCMB. I swear that 2/3 of the topics you post are pulled directly from there.Says the guy who trolls around on MGoBlog at 11 PM.
February 11th, 2011 at 11:23 PM ^
Late night flame war! Let me get my lab goggles on!
February 11th, 2011 at 11:35 PM ^
February 11th, 2011 at 11:32 PM ^
I'm in a Colorado supermax. It's only 9PM here.
February 12th, 2011 at 12:50 PM ^
If this dude really is Ted Kaczynski?
February 11th, 2011 at 11:03 PM ^
carrying an egg on a spoon around the Beta house seem innocent enough.
Oh, the Betas are gone, too.
Nevermind.
February 12th, 2011 at 8:44 AM ^
Beta is actually back on campus this coming Fall
February 12th, 2011 at 11:45 AM ^
February 11th, 2011 at 11:14 PM ^
it was in some guy's house on campus and run by a bunch of middle-aged guys. my pledge class featured a wide variety of individuals all comedically intertwined by our interest in fun and growing together. rated R for nudity, language and sexual themes.
February 11th, 2011 at 11:17 PM ^
Was someone in this group named Blue?
February 11th, 2011 at 11:20 PM ^
you mean the old navy vet who hung around the stereo store?
February 11th, 2011 at 11:42 PM ^
About 110lbs and pushing 89 years of age?
February 12th, 2011 at 12:18 PM ^
dude, blue's dead!
February 12th, 2011 at 12:26 PM ^
he looked Gloooorious
February 12th, 2011 at 2:19 AM ^
You my boy blue!
February 11th, 2011 at 11:05 PM ^
Phi Al....
February 11th, 2011 at 11:35 PM ^
five apples?
February 11th, 2011 at 11:43 PM ^
Precisely.
February 12th, 2011 at 2:27 AM ^
PHI ALPHA!
February 12th, 2011 at 2:05 PM ^
I was an ATO, and SAE's were our boys; am still friends with guys who were in SAE. Sad day. And yeah, we got kicked off campus too about 5 years ago.
February 11th, 2011 at 11:09 PM ^
Do me a personal favor, just for tonight, shut your pie hole.
February 11th, 2011 at 11:10 PM ^
This sounds epic - epically awesome or stupid depending on your perspective, but epic nonetheless.
February 12th, 2011 at 12:47 PM ^
not everything is epic. Awesome, stupid, gross, immature, etc I'll give you, but not epic.
February 11th, 2011 at 11:11 PM ^
I was in a fraternity, so perhaps I am biased... But honestly, what college kid tells his parents these kinds of things? I didn't tell my parents what happened in the varsity football locker room in 8th grade.
February 11th, 2011 at 11:16 PM ^
somebody who felt he was in on the joke for four days and on the fifth felt like he was the target and, thus, no longer liked it. while the actions crossed the line, i find it telling that the acts were related to a relative only after a significant period of time.
February 12th, 2011 at 10:21 AM ^
More like someone hoping for a career in "investigative journalism" at the FREEP following graduation.
February 11th, 2011 at 11:18 PM ^
I'm sure that the students who complained were dropped/not offered by the frat, but at the same time there really should be no situation when a set of college students shoot other college students with airguns and/or kick them in the groin for sport (or I guess for official purposes as well). I get the whole fraternity culture/mindset (not part of it, but I honestly understand why it is appealing), but there have to be less violent ways to show your dedication and commitment to other people - I'm married, and I never asked my wife to let me beat her up to prove her feelings for me.
I'm sure this will all blow over, but I have little sympathy for a fraternity that should know better than to haze to this degree.
February 11th, 2011 at 11:38 PM ^
If they made it this far the pledges weren't dropped, rush decides who's in and who's out. The events noted occurred during hell week, thus the pledges were 1 week away from becoming active for the most part. I'm not saying getting "egged" or being kicked in the groin with your nutty buddy on is something I'd look forward to, but these events our passed down from pledge class to pledge class as it's looked as a way to unite the class as the incoming class experiences these "challenges," together and honestly will be talking and joking about them 20 years down the road.
February 12th, 2011 at 10:58 AM ^
There are a lot of people who get de-pledged somewhere in the process. Being a member of a fraternity, some of this shit makes me sick. Airsoft guns? Really? Why on earth would you feel the need to shoot someone one day and call them your brother the next?
Also, not sure about SAE, but in my fraternity, finding alcohol at anything related to pledging/initiation would be cause for suspension.
February 12th, 2011 at 11:09 AM ^
There is not one single thing about that story that I would be outraged about should a future son of mine go through it. It's stupid, yep. But the sensitivity and outrage is stupider.
February 12th, 2011 at 11:14 AM ^
I would agree there's a lot of sensitivity there. But that sensitivity comes from trying to overcome the stereotypes of Animal House, and 3/4 of the people I meet.
Stupid and juvenile or not, things like this set back the whole greek system in terms of perception.
February 12th, 2011 at 6:47 PM ^
February 11th, 2011 at 11:20 PM ^
But you decided that you should come on mgoblog and share the suggestion that you have a shameful secret about what you did in the locker room with the football players?
Gee, thanks. I feel so special.
February 11th, 2011 at 11:24 PM ^
It's called an analogy.
But I guess making judgments based off of analogies on the internet on Friday nights means that you wouldn't understand that.
February 11th, 2011 at 11:26 PM ^
have you ever danced with the devil in the pale moon light?
February 11th, 2011 at 11:36 PM ^
in any event, maybe you should be more careful about the analogies you choose.
What's more, I'm not judging you. Do whatever makes you feel free and beautiful, man.
February 11th, 2011 at 11:43 PM ^
I suppose I should choose my words more carefully over the interwebs. I was just trying to express a belief that the media is overreacting to this situation. But I also realize that I am biased on topics pertaining to fraternities.
February 12th, 2011 at 11:54 AM ^
It was just hard to tell if you had a secret from 8th grade or if you were making a point. I'm probably not the only one who thought, "is that guy serious?"
One more thing: how is this a media over-reaction? Unless there's something I'm missing about the story, the decision to suspend the fraternity was made independently of media reaction. The media is reporting the suspension, not inviting a decision to suspend by reporting the hazing ritual.
February 12th, 2011 at 12:37 PM ^
You were on the varsity football team in 8th grade?
February 11th, 2011 at 11:15 PM ^
"But you can't hold a whole fraternity responsible for the behavior of a few, sick twisted individuals. For if you do, then shouldn't we blame the whole fraternity system? And if the whole fraternity system is guilty, then isn't this an indictment of our educational institutions in general? I put it to you, Greg - isn't this an indictment of our entire American society? Well, you can do whatever you want to us, but we're not going to sit here and listen to you badmouth the United States of America. Gentlemen!"
[Leads the Deltas out of the hearing, all humming the Star-Spangled Banner]
February 11th, 2011 at 11:17 PM ^
WHO IS THIS UNNAMED PARENT? THIS IS ALL A LIE TO BRING DOWN THE FRAT'S REPUTATION! LIBEL! SLANDER! OBJECTION, SUSTAINED, MOVE TO STRIKE!
February 11th, 2011 at 11:37 PM ^
I think that it might be best for all concerned if this kid and his pathetic parent remain anonymous. This really is a wonderfully stupid story. "Animal House" is profound by comparison. Warning to consenting adults: Don't visit the SAE House if you don't wish to play by their rules. And parents... Oh, never mind.
So when is the 2011 Mud Bowl, and who's playing?
February 12th, 2011 at 10:13 AM ^
As long as everybody's consenting to it, that's great. But the IFC and its member fraternities are associated with the University, which makes this a public issue. I'd rather not have my alma mater associated with these shenanigans.
Also, for the record, I never rushed a fraternity, so my opinion isn't based on a grudge against the Greek system.
February 12th, 2011 at 8:23 PM ^
maybe, just a little bit, if this really had much to do with the University as such. I might be even slightly concerned if anyone had been injured, or if one or more of the pledges themselves had made the subject complaint.
But this was, apparently, an angry report by one parent, of one pledge.
In distinction from your view, I think that I am a bit ashamed that my alma mater would associate itself with this helicopter-parent psychodrama.
And I think I do feel sorry for that SAE pledge. Not because he was wronged by the SAE brothers. But rather because the poor kid has to co-exist with that parent.