Argument 1 : The debacle on defense isn't the coaches fault. The talent on the field is too poor to do anything with (RR himself made this argument with Lombardigate).
Argument 2: We are returning 22/24 starters next year. We are so gonna PWN fools next year : If Lombardi himself couldn't do squat with these guys, GERG and Gibson are going to somehow magically teach them how to maintain gap, tackle soundly and not give 15 yard cushions?
The RR apologists need to get together and pick one of these arguments and roll with it. Both just don't make any sense.
Counter argument: But but...what if the coaches arent "turrible" and what if the players make somewhat of a sophomore leap, couldn't we at least be decent?
No. Average (at best) coaches aren't exactly going to achieve any soph leap from these guys. proof? proof:
Roh is same or worse this year. Ezeh flamed out. Mouton is arrrgghhh mostly same sometimes worse, Kovacs same, JT slightly better relative to last year (but sucky as hell on a b10 scale) , CC is OMG bad, Cam is bad, Banks is same/ worse. Mike Martin is better.
You take that trend line and want me to believe that some magical "leap" is going to happen simply because these are going to be older...okay.
Beside, given the rate of attrition that seems normal under RR, we are still going to be starting 4 Frosh's next year and you guys will still be making this argument next year:
In Cartman's voice:
" But mooooommmm...we're gonna be soooo goood next year.....".