The tank-a-thon is over! Piston talk

Submitted by victors2000 on April 11th, 2022 at 11:11 AM

With the season over, the Pistons secured the third-worst record in the NBA; who do you see the Pistons taking in the 1-7 slots? What are your thoughts on next season?

I am currently going with Jaden Ivey as the pick for the Pistons, 1-4. He has a lot of 'Ja Morant' style game which I think would serve the team well going forward. I'd like to go Holmgren but I can't see him staying healthy. He's an athletic guy, but he looks like he's a half away from a fractured tibia, fibula, or both lol. If those two are gone I'd select Keegan Murray. He's a winner to me with what looks to be a lot of upside.

I think the Pistons are in the playoffs next year. They have done very well in the draft the past couple of years and have picked up some good players through trades. Cade, Saddiq, and Marvin are all stars in the making, with Isaiah, Killian, and the rookie also looking to shine as well. I think Jerami isn't long for the team, too much smoke about trading him for it not to happen. I think Detroit has done it right this time and in a few years will be vying for the top spot in the division and maybe the conference.

JimmyHardballs

April 11th, 2022 at 11:20 AM ^

I think if Chet is there you have to take him. I would go Chet, Jabari and then Jayden. I really have no interest in Paolo but maybe my Duke hate is making me feel that way. 

Get in the top 3 and you can't go wrong. 

blueblooded14

April 11th, 2022 at 1:29 PM ^

I feel like people get too caught up in race with these comparisons, I believe that Chet wants to be more of a wing than anything and had been forced inside due to his height. The guy who he's reminded me of more than anyone (in terms of frame/style of play) is KD. Not saying the guy is/will be KD, but he shoots ~40% from three and can put the ball on the floor and make moves on the perimeter (while still being seven feet tall). Chet seems to be a good wing that got stretched an extra six inches, which makes him a skinny/skilled big man or a nightmare outside.

NotADuck

April 11th, 2022 at 8:39 PM ^

Same!  Paolo is like a point-forward and can take some pressure off of Cade with both his distribution and his scoring ability.  Dude just knows how to score and he can often find the open man when he can't.

Jabari is an absolute stud shooter.  I believe he shot above 40 percent from 3 with pretty good volume.  He doesn't score down low very much (only 60-ish shots at the rim compared to Paolo (180s) and Chet (130s)) but with his size and athleticism he can learn that.  He's also a much better defender than Paolo right now.  Not many holes in his game besides the lack of finishing inside.  That's why I prefer him above all other prospects.

If the Pistons stay at 3 I'm hoping one of those 2 makes it to them.  Jabari preferred but I'd be ok with Paolo.

UPNORTHGOBLUE

April 11th, 2022 at 11:28 AM ^

Killian, though he showed some glimpses this season, is still very much a work in progress.  If the Pistons get the 4th pick and Ivey is there I don't think there is any way they pass on him.  If they land a top 3 pick I think they will take one of the bigs (Paulo, Chet, or Jabari).

Yo_Blue

April 11th, 2022 at 11:29 AM ^

Ivey still scares me. While his outside game has improved, he has yet to play under control and his game IQ doesn't seem very high. I think the risk is too high.

uncle leo

April 11th, 2022 at 11:32 AM ^

I was getting super worried last night that the Pistons kept fighting until nearly the end. Luckily, they pulled out all the stops to lose that game.

I think this is a GREAT year to be in the top 3 (if the Stones land there). I really don't think you can go wrong with any of the top prospects (Smith, Holmgren, Panchero).

I do think this team needs a really skilled big. I've gone back and forth like 10 times but I think right now, at least, I'm settled on Banchero. He just looks SO FLUID; in every motion he makes he has a destination- he knows where he's going.

I watched Jabari Smith a great deal. He's got a lot of upside, but he's not the type that will bang in the post.

Holmgren is such a risk. He can either be incredibly awesome or just not make it- I don't think there's a middle ground.

I would also be totally ok with Ivey- I think he's got potential skills to be elite at the 2.

jmstranger

April 11th, 2022 at 11:42 AM ^

I'm interested to see what they get in free agency before settling on a draft strategy. There was some talk earlier this year about DeAndre Ayton and the Pistons were poking around Jalen Brunson at the trade deadline too. Plus rumors of Grant getting traded for a high-ish draft pick to Portland. So many moving pieces before the draft. 

bluesalt

April 11th, 2022 at 12:12 PM ^

As a reminder, the draft is a full week before free agency, and the NBA has started enforcing tampering rules to a degree, with some teams having forfeited seconds in the next two drafts because of it.  Accordingly, I don’t think the Pistons will have much clue about how free agency shakes out before drafting.  Further, if picking in the top 4, you pick the best player and don’t worry about free agency, especially given how weak the free agency class is this year anyway.

GregGoBlue

April 11th, 2022 at 11:32 AM ^

I used to love the Pistons. In addition to numerous games during the season I went to every home playoff game from around 2002 to 2005 or 06. 

I hate sitting upstairs in LCA. Kills my knees. And I'm not that big of a dude- only 5'7"! How can people sit in that arena?

And the NBA in general... The product. The messaging. The kowtowing to Beijing. I'm pretty much over it. They have lost me and I doubt they're getting me back. I'll stick with college and the wolverines. 

OK, requisite get off my lawn old guy disclaimer. I suppose I'm just annoyed that 'the powers that be' have turned something that I used to love into something that I completely ignore, and when the topic is brought up, elicits mild contempt. 

bacon1431

April 11th, 2022 at 11:40 AM ^

I haven't been to LCA for a Pistons or Wings game yet, but I went for the NCAA Wrestling Tournamentm and I was surprised at how comfortable I was (and I'm 6'2", 250) sitting in the upper deck. Not amazing, but for multiple sessions, my joints and muscles weren't sore afterward, which is surprising for a sporting venue. It's location is also awesome. The Palace was one of the most obnoxious places to get to IMO, particularly in the winter. 

Piston Blue

April 11th, 2022 at 12:39 PM ^

This is obligatory at this point haha. Every time there’s an NBA thread on this board someone has to go out of their way to let us know that they don’t watch it because of their political beliefs. I’ll save you some time (and others reading): in the future when we talk pistons, we know that there is a contingent of the population that feels this way and there’s no need to try and ruin the convo for those that do watch lol.

bacon1431

April 11th, 2022 at 2:36 PM ^

If there's a soccer post, there's inevitably someone in there proclaiming that soccer isn't a real sport and something about diving. 

If there's an NBA post, there's inevitably someone bemoaning how the sport isn't like it was during _____ (insert previous era here - used to be Magic/Bird, then MJ, this guy is talking about the Goin to Work Pistons, and in a couple years it'll be about how the league was greater when the Spurs were consistently very good). 

BoFan

April 12th, 2022 at 3:12 PM ^

That’s not an accurate comparison at all   You can love soccer and complain that your local team sucks or that the product in the league is over marketed.  That’s essentially what the two posters here are saying, they like basketball but not the NBA management of it. 

BoFan

April 12th, 2022 at 3:08 PM ^

There’s a lot of talent the NBA but I also don’t like the product anymore.  Too many champions basically purchased an All-Star team was one problem. I’ll make an exception for some of the earlier Warriors teams pre Durant that would be considered underdogs back then and also changed the game  

The only reason I’m posting here is first because of Piston Blue’s comment that the complaints he mentioned are all politically based. That is complete BS. The posters are complaining 99% about other stuff. And the one the only political comment is valid, the NBA has bent over to China which is crap. But that’s a minor issue and wasn’t what people were complaining about. So BS to piston blue’s response.  If you’re going to respond you need to respond why the product is better with, among other things, all the overhyped marketing and BS that has nothing to do with the game.

The other point worth making in a Piston’s thread Is that they have sucked for too long.  That’s what the other two posters, Pistons fans, have also said. And most important, relative to this thread, one draft pick is not going to change their fortune.

The statement, “I think the Pistons are in the playoffs next year. ” in the OP is ridiculous. I’ve always been a pistons fan and for years I could count on rooting for them as a competitive team in the NBA. But it’s been a long time. And unfortunately the Pistons have become to the NBA what the lions are to the NFL.  

And further, complaining about the Pistons belongs in a Piston’s  thread.. Sorry but the truth hurts. Don’t shoot the messenger. But, do feel free to explain why the Pistons don’t deserve this criticism as a perennial failure. I will not go so far as to say it’s an ownership issue like the Lions but clearly something beyond one player must change.  
 

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Kevin14

April 11th, 2022 at 12:36 PM ^

Sorry to hear, man.  I probably still prefer college basketball, but the NBA is in an incredible spot.  The amount of talent in the league right now is incredible.  There's a great mix off young and older superstars.  After the Warriors/Cavs eras, there is really some great parity in the league.  Not to mention how fun the league is to follow outside the court - trades, free agency, etc.

There are still some issues - superstars missing too many regular season games and end of game reviews.  But hopefully those will be addressed. 

LCA is a beautiful arena.  I can't wait until the Pistons/Wings start winning.  I will agree with you that I do not like sitting in the upper level.  It's too steep for my liking.  

 

jmstranger

April 11th, 2022 at 11:38 AM ^

Speaking of the Pistons - is everyone just trolling Detroit fans by not talking about Cade Cunningham at all? The Ringer has had articles on Jalen Green and the Rockets, Evan Mobley and the Cavs, and most recently Scottie Barnes and the Raptors and how he deserves ROY and is all around changing the whole Raptors culture, etc. I've watched them all play and Cade is the best of them (and NBA vets rave about him) and yet he gets zero media attention and basically an "also ran" mention of ROY. It's weird. 

Glennsta

April 12th, 2022 at 7:39 AM ^

After that first weekend that he played, sports radio was filled with hosts and callers expressing "concern" over whether Cade was going to be any good.

Those same hosts and callers spent yesterday morning expressing concern over the Tigers after they lost 2 of 3 from the White Sox in the first weekend.

Then again, sports radio is littered with impatient know-it-alls. 

mp2

April 11th, 2022 at 11:38 AM ^

Agree on the longevity of Chet. How many twigs are there in the NBA? I don't watch much, so this is a semi-serious question. The last one I remember played a game for the looney tunes.

Ivey seems like he needs to get under control a little more. That can develop though.

I do not know anything else about these other players.

matty blue

April 11th, 2022 at 12:43 PM ^

Ivey seems like he needs to get under control a little more. That can develop though.

can it, though?  i’m honestly asking…i can’t think of too many ‘explode-in-all-directions’ guards that matured into reliable players, but i’m on vacation, so i’m bumping at about 3/4 speed right now.

in all seriousness, ivey seems like a stay-away for me…i also can’t see how he fits next to cade, which, to me, is criteria number one for whoever you pick.