Sports Illustrated Ranks Top 10 all-time programs, Michigan comes in 3rd

Submitted by Macenblu on August 12th, 2019 at 3:26 PM

https://www.si.com/college-football/2019/best-programs-college-football-history

Brief explanation provided for each team.  I don't feel strongly one way or the other although I personally would not be including Tennessee on this list.  Thoughts?

mGrowOld

August 12th, 2019 at 3:30 PM ^

Any by all time they mean since since the year 2000.  We are the third best all-time program if you assume all programs began about 19 years ago cause that's the ONLY way OSU and Alabama get in front of us.

crg

August 12th, 2019 at 9:44 PM ^

How nice - you found a 50 year stretch that doesn't completely contradict the argument (with 30% of that period being highly atypical for the program and some of the worst years in it's history)... Except that college football is 150 years old and "all time" would reflect more than just 1/3 of the sport's history.

But hey, don't let logic get in your way... it's all just "maize colored glasses" I'm sure.

kurpit

August 12th, 2019 at 11:34 PM ^

Referring to the last 50 years as "found 50 years" is totally disingenuous. People frequently omit earlier portions of college football's history for several reasons. Sometimes because the rules of the game were so much different in early years. Sometimes because many college football programs just didn't even exist.

Narrowing down stats to a smaller and more recent sample size sometimes better illustrates what the landscape of college football is actually like rather than wrapping it up with 12-man rosters playing rugby.

crg

August 13th, 2019 at 8:43 AM ^

The rules were effectively established by the early 20th century - there have been no profound changes since, only minor tweaks.  And simply because there were fewer college teams at a given time does NOT mean the landscape was any less competitive - some of the fiercest rivalries were established then BECAUSE the games were so tenacious.

People try to marginalize those times when they have nothing to tout from it (or because it adds emphasis on what they've done recently).

Reggie Dunlop

August 13th, 2019 at 9:15 AM ^

I know we're all Michigan fans. But it's really ugly to be this blind. The only way we get in front of them is if you start prior to 1900. Try it yourself.

Best win percentage since 1900: OSU, ND, Alabama, Michigan

Since 1910: OSU, Bama, ND, Oklahoma, Michigan (I'm leaving Boise off of these lists)

1920: OSU, Bama, OU, ND, Michigan

1930: OSU, OU, A, M

1940: OSU, OU, A, Penn State, M

1950: OSU, OU, A, PSU, Nebraska, M

And on and on it goes. Add in the fact that OSU, Alabama, ND and everybody else effectively dwarf our National Championships in anybody's lifetime and this is some incredible homerism. For fans of an historic program, not a lot of knowledge about college football history around here.

wolve1972

August 13th, 2019 at 8:46 PM ^

I read on one of the OSU boards, and somebody correct me if I'm wrong, OSU has only 2 losing seasons since the mid 1960s: one of the first Cooper years and the Fickell year of 2011 (they went 6-7). That's pretty darn solid. Woody choked away several NCs in the late 60s (1969 !!!!! - I was there) and early 70s along with Cooper who had several almost NC teams but failed and we all know the Cooper story (wish he was still there). The one I'm having problems with is Tennessee ahead of Oklahoma.

Wolverine Devotee

August 12th, 2019 at 3:39 PM ^

"Top-10 of all-time rankings"

The Buckeyes only trail Michigan in all-times wins (953-911), but their two titles this century (2002, 2014) put OSU above its bitter Big Ten rival.

Oh okay, so it's top programs of all time..........with ultra recent history reflecting it.

Kinda defeats the whole purpose of the list?

DoubleB

August 12th, 2019 at 5:59 PM ^

"One national title since 1950 . . " A point so often overlooked.

Alabama has won TWELVE national titles since 1960 (AP, UPI-Coaches, or both).

Ohio State has won five national titles since since 1950 (again, either AP, UPI-Coaches, or both).

National titles aren't everything, but the fact the Michigan program has won one national title since 1950 and two total since the AP poll era began nearly 85 years ago is somewhat damning.

In short, Michigan is #3 on this list mainly because of what it accomplished 100 or so years ago.

Gulogulo37

August 12th, 2019 at 9:58 PM ^

People crap on old Michigan wins, and I can see the point, but I have some problems with it. First, Michigan has been so influential in shaping the sport. Probably moreso than any other program. You don't get college football today with the Michigan of the past. Second, perhaps more importantly, the way things were set up until the last few decades was unique and interesting, but still really dumb in terms of crowning champs. Yes, fuck Paterno, but I believe he had 2 teams finish undefeated without a championship. And didn't champs get crowned before bowl games until the 70s or so? Not to mention it's insane we play bowl games so long after the season. So much can change. Damn near half of all seasons have had a legit complaint about the winner, someone being left out, etc.

Wolverine Devotee

August 12th, 2019 at 3:43 PM ^

You can't rank programs 1-2-3-4 all-time clearly in any sport. It's a pointless exercise because a) for a good chunk of college football history you played teams in your region only and b) everyone thinks their team is the best

Here's a better way to do it.

Blue bloods in alphabetical order: Alabama, Michigan, Notre Dame, Ohio State, Oklahoma, Texas, USC

Second tier: Georgia, Nebraska, Penn State, Tennessee

The fact TENNESSEE is ahead of Oklahoma automatically disqualifies this to be taken seriously.