OK, B1G Championship time. Who do you want to win, who do you think will win, or do you no longer care?
Sparty - Buckeyes. Who ya got?
Basic question boils down to whether or not I can tolerate OSU in the NC or MSU in the Rose Bowl. I'll take MSU in the Rose Bowl. We need to spread around the humilation on the national stage. OSU has done enough of it for us recently.
Yeah I think that's what the bowl predictions are saying. Either way, MSU's almost guaranteed to be in the Rose Bowl. I also would imagine Ohio would be in a BCS game with a loss. I'm pulling for MSU unfortunately because I don't want Ohio to win it all, especially if they get lucky with a Winston-less FSU. Actually, if I had to bet, I'd put money on State. Ohio's passing game really isn't much to brag about, and I think State's too good to be allowed to focus on Ohio's run game, as good as that is.
1 loss Auburn should play over 1 loss OSU.
A 1 loss Auburn will absolutely get into the NC over ohio, but that doesn't mean they wouldn't still get an at large bid.
So if OSU loses and Auburn loses, it is FSU vs Bama again? Or do we still have a shot /s
between Bama and Missouri and I'd have to give the slight edge to Missouri as they lost in double OT and will have just beaten the same Auburn team that beat Alabama.
Pretty much whatever happens, MSU will be in the rose bowl. If MSU wins, they automatically go to the Rose Bowl. If OSU wins, they go to the BCS game, and MSU gets the Rose Bowl.
Honestly the only way that MSU doesn't make it to the Rose Bowl is if they get absolutely blown out by Ohio State. Barring that, I think they're safely in. So I'll cheer for MSU, because one rival getting screwed is better than none at all. (although it would be nice for Ohio St. to win, thus guaranteeing that there will be no SEC national champion this year)
But I would rather see another SEC champion than an Ohio champion.
Worst season ever.
meteor, slight edge to MSU, while I think the OSU O vs MSU D matchup is interesting, I'm not sure if I can stomach watching.
I hope osu takes them behind the woodshed. It'll give legitimacy for us to have a one point loss to one of the possible teams in the NCG and show that Sparty is a flash in the pan and gets exposed.
An 11-1 flash in the pan...
True but....NOT SO FAST.....I believe sparty has 3 eleven win seasons in the past 5 years. Wish we did!!
Sparty does a lot with a little and if we don't start taking care of business, people are going to start dissing us for them. Honestly, what've we done in the past 10 years. Nada...sad to say.
I'd say OSU is more the flash in the pan than Sparty. OSU had a CAKEWALK of a schedule and their only serious challenge was us and our inconsistent offense. Which put 600 yards on them. At least Sparty has improved throughout the year.
But I won't be pulling for either team. Sucky result either way.
Has MSU beaten a team currently ranked? I want them to lose by 50.
MSU lost to ND, who is receiving enough votes to be considered #28 in the AP. They won at Iowa, who would be #30, and beat Minnesota who also received votes. That's it, the highlight of their 11-1 record is a road win over #30 Iowa. Ohio State hasn't really beat anybody either, except #21 Wisconsin at home. It's basically a sham.
If MSU loses by 50 OSU is guaranteed a spot in the BCS championship.
I hate MSU as much as anyone but wanting the No. 1 defense in the country to get blown out by our archrival isn't exactly... good.
As much as it pains me to root for MSU, a true Michigan fan can never root for the Buckeyes. Go Green, Go White
to look at it this way, which one winning makes US look better? Considering last week, I think osu winning does that. But its obviously debatable.
I really don't see how it matters for us who wins. I look at preventing the situation where the winner gets the most benefit, and that would certainly be Ohio in the NC game.
and I'm not going to argue with you on that, mainly because I can see merit to both sides of the aisle here, BUT...in the big picture, I'd rather see a B1G team in the NCG than another SEC team to potentially win it. I'm sick of them and their streak. NOW, all that said...FSU vs osu in the NCG? I'm all Noles.
Wait... so you'd rather OSU have a shot at winning the NC than an SEC team.
Are you Jim Delaney's son or something?
I would take an SEC championship any and every year of an OSU one. That's not even close for me... I get conference pride,but not when it's OSU that's playing.
"so you'd rather OSU have a shot at winning the NC than an SEC team"
I would rather see a team of Hitler's in the NCG than Ohio.
Hitler died in 1945 let it go.
Winning more games makes us look better.
7-5 = a turd that you have a hard time polishing.
I'm pulling for Michigan State. As I see it, they've arrived at the point where they are honestly. Ohio is coming off a decade of conference domination, a national championship based on a referee's inability to throw a flag, and a winning record against us that is unmatched in my lifetime. They get a wrist-slap from the NCAA for violations that cripple other schools, spend a single season in purgatory and are rewarded with one of the best coaches in the country, 24 straight wins, and an opportunity to play in for the national championship THIS year?
Hell, no. F*** those guys. Go green. Go white.
Evil scale - Dantonio > Meyer
Meyer w/ an NC Game (even a loss) > Dantonio w/ a BTC and Rose Bowl win
Reason: national perception = State got lucky, OSU is back to dominating the B1G and competing for National Championships w/ and SEC coach.
We need State to shut Hyde and Miller down.
Why do I feel so queasy?
Tough call here - OSU in NC? Sucks. MSU in the Rose Bowl? Sucks. I would like to see Urban lose but hate to see Dantonio happy. Personally, since I live in Ann Arbor - I would prefer to see MSU lose. Too many sparties around that talk too much shit. At least with OSU I'm farther away from the fanbase. AND, having MSU winning a BIG championship means tougher for us to get the top guys in state. So in that regard, I think I'm actually going to be hoping the bucks win this one.
Watching these types of games is never a pleasant experience - basically feel like I've just gotton a lobotomy - someone scores and it's basically "meh" either way and overall uncomfortable since one of them has to win.
Dantonio doesn't have a happy setting. Only 'less scowl'.
Amen. Go go Ceres State Fightin' Meteors!
MSU deserves their first BCS bowl, in all honesty. They're long overdue.
No. Fuck em. Overdue my ass, let them rot in non-BCS purgatory forever
No they don't.
Hell no. Screw them.
Over at TeamRankings, they list Ohio State as a 5.5 point favorite with a Vegas-implied (not sure what algorithm they use here) score of 28-23.
|Ohio St.||Michigan St.|
|Rush Play %||62.19%||57.56%|
|Pass Play %||37.81%||42.44%|
|3D Conv %||52.24%||44.19%|
|RZ Scoring %||95.45%||76.47%|
|Ohio St.||Michigan St.|
|Opp Completion %||60.50%||48.42%|
|Opp 3D Conv %||36.14%||29.59%|
|Opp RZ Scoring %||78.95%||72.22%|
Dare I say go Sparty? I don't want to see Ohio in the national championship... but if they go undefeated I think they deserve it over Auburn - if that makes sense.
of the ESS EEE SEEE that if the season finishes as it sits now, ACC and B1G in the NCG, I'm fine with that. Bigger picture...imo.
Would love to see OSU get passed up. That'd be gleeful.
it would be great to see the cognitive dissonance if Auburn passed Ohio. After all, he did say (link):
"We're going to tell a group of young men, who just went 12-1 in a most difficult schedule against six ranked opponents, that they don't have a chance to play for a national championship? I'm going to need help with that one."
and if you present this quote to most osu fans, your head will get dizzy from all the spinning that'll follow.
Um, you do realize he was advocating Florida to jump Michigan, right? And that Michigan had lost a game as opposed to being undefeated as Ohio is now?
But the principle is the same: what matters is your resume. The SEC coaches, ADs, and fans, will always insist that a one-loss SEC team deserves to play in the NC game. Auburn's AD said a NC game without the SEC champion was un-American!
Auburn has beaten four teams currently ranked in the BCS top 25: @LSU (#15), @Texas A&M (#24), Georgia (#22), Alabama (#4). Ohio State's only signature win was against #21 Wisconsin.
And LSU, A&M, and Georgia are all overrated (plus, LSU beat Auburn). Auburn's resume is more impressive than OSU's, and would be boosted by a win over Missouri. That said, if there are two undefeated teams in major conferences, then it should go to them. If anything, FSU's record is less impressive than OSU. The ACC is as weak or weaker than the B1G this year.
10-10 shitshow followed by some shady call to give OSU the win in OT. Auburn jumps OSU and gets stomped by FSU in title. OSU then goes to Rose and gets disemboweled by PAC champ.
My ideal scenario is OSU beats MSU soundly, but is passed up by Auburn who goes to the NC game. OSU drops to the Rose Bowl, and MSU to one of the Florida bowls.
This keeps Sparty's BCS-free streak intact. It also raises raised the B1G - SEC matchups to more favorable situations from top to bottom.
The only way I see Ohio getting passed is if the squeek by MSU on some fluke or have something like big fight results in suspending players for NCG (like that would happen) that casts a doubt on their ability to make the NCG even close. That is the ideal for me, but not sure it is possible. Maybe more realistic is Ohio crushes MSU and goes to the NCG, but MSU falls far enough in the polls that they are not BCS eligible.
That's what I'm rooting for. 42-0.
Sparty hasn't been to the Rose Bowl for over 25 years and maybe twice in the last 50. It's cute that they'll get to go again. A nice little underdog story. Barring something crazy they're going to the Rose Bowl win or lose, so they might as well win and keep Ohio out of the title game.
case scenario is OSU wins, Auburn jumps them, OSU to Rose bowl and Sparty to non-BCS land once again. A real win-win for everyone.
Both the polls and computers like Ohio right now. If Ohio and Auburn both win I don't think that changes. Maybe the computers but they're only 1/3 of the vote. Human pollsters will pick the undefeated team.
There's nothing cute about how they whooped our asses 5 of 6 years.
My wife grew up in Alabama so I've met many SEC fans through her. SEC fans always root for the conference to look better, I think it's time B1G fans start doing that.
Also the possibility of listening to them talk about how great the SEC is for another year is terrifying. Anything to keep the SEC out of the national championship for me.
2. Sparty - I think they are in the Rose Bowl win or lose, so they might as well do something useful on their way.
Who will win?
I have no idea. MSU has been more impressive in B1G play. No games under double digit wins, while Ohio needed a hail mary at the end of the first half to beat Wiscy, a horrendous spot to beat 1-7 Northwestern and gave up 600 yards to a team averaging 3.2 yards per play in November.
That said, Nebraska was able to move the ball against Sparty and Ohio runs a similar offense. Ohio's defense plays its best when they are being questioned and they should be severely questioned after last week.
Last year Ohio won by a point at home. I expect a close game. Since the Buckeyes are the luckiest fucking bastards I have ever seen, I think they will pull some shit out of their ass and somehow win the game.
My rationalization working my way through this question is how will Michigan benefit? I think Ohio State winning is a good thing for the entire conference. Their offense can go with anyone and if they play Auburn they won't have a very tough D to go up against. If they win the NC it would suck for a bit but would help start the push of the B1G as a premier conference again. Michigan will be better next year, Ohio State will be Ohio State next year, Wisconsin will be building under that coaching staff so they will be stronger and hopefully MSU will keep rolling like they have been. All this is great as long as UofM are at the top of it all. Plus it would shut the SEC, ESPN and CBS sports up
Am I wrong about the impact of Ohio State winning the NC? Honest thought and honest question.
I don't think that OSU winning the NC would do anything to help the B1G.....especially if they play FSU. Everyone will still think that there were 4-5 SEC teams that were bettter but they just didn't get into the game because they played tougher schedules.
Based on conversations I've had with my friends, who almost all live outside Big Ten country, I don't know that Ohio winning would really do much for the Big Ten's reputation. For one, they (likely) wouldn't have to beat an SEC team to win it. It's also going to take more than one national championship to sway people at this point - it's going to take several seasons of strong bowl wins vs. SEC teams to start changing people's minds.
Now you're thinking like an ESS-EEE-SEE fanboi.
When Alabama keeps winning the national championship, it doesn't help the SEC. It helps Alabama (and the NFL). All the UGA fans around here are mighty proud of "the streak", but all that streak has done is keep the best high school players in the region queuing up to go to the schools that are winning. It actually makes your school look worse by comparison...but it gives you a nice crutch to lean on to try to explain why your team can't compete even though they should be able to recruit (and this is ESPECIALLY true in UGA's case, where Mark Richt is generally considered to be a fantastic recruiter) from the same talent field.
I'm not about elevating Ohio just so the B1G looks better. It's not one school's responsibility to reflect on the whole conference...the year Michigan won the MNC I think every other team in the B1G that went to bowl games lost them. I didn't lose any sleep over that at all.
Aren't you thinking on a small scale? It's not just Alabama winning championships..... it's the entire conference. I'd say on a whole the SEC is dominating because there are always 1-3 SEC teams in the hunt for the NC. Even if they're not getting to the NC they find themselves playing in elite bowl games and against elite competition during the regular season. Success breeds success. Just my thoughts.
The B1G conference isn't my problem, and the ESS-EEE-SEE isn't, either (even though I live surrounded by them). I care about my team. The only team I really want to win is Michigan. The only teams I really want to lose are Ohio and Notre Dame. If pressed I say I don't wish ill for the other B1G teams, I'd LIKE for them to do better, be more competitive with other bigtime conferences but the philosophies of the schools and the conferences just aren't on the same level.
If any other B1G team goes to the Rose Bowl (or God forbid the BCS championship), even MSU, I wouldn't mind them winning, but there's just no way in hell I could see myself wanting it to happen if that team has to be Ohio, and unfortunately for everyone else in the conference, Ohio is the only school who takes its football as seriously as the ESS-EEE-SEE does and builds itself to compete at the same level.
Considering that Sparty is probably in the Rose Bowl either way, I'll probably be rooting for Sparty. Not sure I understand the arguments of rooting for Ohio because it makes Michigan look better - look better to who? I doubt many people are even thinking about that, at this point. Besides, I'm not even sure if this makes sense, given that we got annihilated by Sparty. It was our only sound loss. If Sparty beats Ohio, I would think that loss becomes more justified.
I dont get the "for OSU" idea either. Even a NCG appearance by OSU hurts us. We go up against oSU for recruits way more than MSU. ND as well. If OSU goes to the NCG that means both ND and OSU will have gone and UM is sitting in 8th place in a lowly Big 10 last year... that hurts recruiting at the boundary. UM should not be rooting for OSU or ND do to well if they care about recruiting.
p.s. I think FSU would destroy OSU. Auburn or Missouri not so much. Lost in FSU's offense is a pretty darn awesome defense. FSU has beaten a bunch of their conf opponents not by 10, not by 20, but by 30+. And that includes Clemson. FSU Bama would have been a great game because I think this was the year someone non SEC would have won.
Gonna go with meteor.
I had this discussion with a guy at Fraser's on Saturday and he was incredulous that I would ever pick the Buckeyes. To me, the difference is that I respect the Buckeyes. That's Michigan's rival and who they traditionally compete against. I have NO respect for Sparty. They need to regress to the mean as soon as possible. It has to be coming, right?
As someone above pointed out, this is the worst season ever. I don't mind seeing the Buckeyes lose another MNC game. It will REALLY bother me to see Sparty in the Rose Bowl (although it's pretty much unavoidable at this point).
This seems like a problem, though. It might be time to start respecting Sparty, at least in terms of how they play football. Under Dantonio, they've become a consistently good team, and much better than Michigan has been over the last 5 years.
Respecting their players and fans from a sportsmanship persepective is an entirely different thing, however.
For me it's all about risk management. So lets take a look at things.
First, even as you mention , MSU is likely going to the rose bowl with a W or an L in this game. So since that's going to happen we can ignore the outcome of the game for the risk of MSU going to the rose bowl. So , for me, that's not even a factor.
Then you have recuriting. A MSU win could impact our recuriting a bit when going up against MSU, no doubt about that. Butt... it probably won't have any long lasting effects. There is more holding back MSU's recuriting efforts than their trips to the Rose Bowl. So that's a very small factor for an MSU win.
The flip side is an OSU win. Well lets take a look at that. We know if they lose they will not be going to an NC game... we know if they win there is a damn good chance they will be in the NC game. The risk of OSU being in a NC game is HUGE to me... Seeing them win a NC bothers me 100000x more than MSU making it to the rose bowl. So this is clearly a factor for me. It's nice to see you're confident they'll lose... but yeah, reality says they can easily win one too.
Then you have recuriting. OSU is clearly more of a rival in recuriting than MSU. Them just making the NC game will boost their efforts, winning it will do even more. So another huge factor for an OSU win.
Throw in the fact that OSU is our #1 Rival and it's really not even close. I don't get how anyone could root for OSU in this game... but hey.
I live in Columbus and need very badly for OSU to not even have a chance at the National Championship. So, while its not ideal, Sparty On.
I live in Ohio also. Any Michigan fan who lives here has to be rooting fo rthe Spartans. Dealing with Buckeye jerks in a normal season is bad enough; if they get to the NC game (and especially if they win it), they would be more insufferable. Plus, we recruit against Ohio--don't want Urbs showing recruits his NC ring if they win it.
He has a few to spare
This. Seems like people who live in Michigan hate MSU a lot more than Michigan fans living in Ohio. I live in Ohio and probably count the number of Spartans I've encountered on one hand.
I really dont want o to win. But msu won't show up anyway!
Beelzebub... Wait that's ambiguous... Edge to Sparty based on the bowl match ups... Either way: If OSU wins, FSU >>> OSU and State will get an at large. It would be delicious to see them lose to NIU or UCF. It would be more delicious to see OSU lose to NIU or UCF and Sparty get thrashed by Stanford.
Not a fan of the metor option as it could have broad effects to neighboring states and cities. I think a huge sink hole should open up and swallow the stadium and then no one has to worry about whose going to win. It would be nice if the sink hole swallowed both urbs and dantonio.
Oh wouldn't that be a nice bonus!
Someone needs to stop that winning streak. It might as well be MSU.
is backing osu...so, there's that.
Either way, this should put even more pressure on UM to get with the program and quit fudging around in the B1G.
Bo once said during a halftime speech "There's a difference between getting beat and being embarrassed." And then walked out of the locker room.
How many times was UM embarrassed this season?
Pretty embarrassing having to play LIGHTS-OUT on offense to beat Indiana, and shitting the bed against Iowa in the second half also ranks up there.
All in all...it was a disgrace. Especially after last year, playing some of the best teams in the country.
4. (Legit) South Carolina
-You'd think this staff and the returning players would know how to prepare for a big game by now. They seemed beyond lost and scared to win, instead they preferred to play with their backs against the wall.
Neither. The Meteor.
If you are being honest with yourself, MSU looked far better than OSU vs UM. Now it was in EL rather than AA and I think Sparty's hate for UM has surpassed OSU's hate for us, since it is barely a rivalry in the past 12 years and there appeared a lot more holes to OSU than MSU.
For mSU the keys are slow down Hyde...not stop him, but slow him down. If their DL can hit Hyde at the LOS and he does not get a full head of steam before he reaches LBs he can be brought down by their aggressive front 7 before doing major damage. Success vs Hyde would be something like 125-135 yards or less. I expect Narduzzi to focus all attention on Hyde and let Miller be the one to beat them if he can. MSU D has much better speed than UM on the outside so stand more of a chance to contain Miller on the run. And they will trust their CBs agaisnt Millers throws - OSU doesnt really have elite WRs, and Miller is hit or miss in his throwing. I think MSU will score near 30 on OSU so I am not worried about their offense...
I see this game something like 34-30 with 2 quite equally matched teams. I dont know who wins, it will come down to turnovers, special teams, et al. Sparty will have to overcome Delany as well as I am sure he has guns blazing to get the Big 10 into the NCG.
I'm fairly certain that the official review of the Gardner fumble went right up to Delany in the booth.
The over/under for PI calls aginst MSU should be 4.
That was a horrid review, which has been lost in the 2 pt conversion commentary. Knee down = turnover, as long as OSU is 11-0 I guess.
OSU struggled down to the wire vs UM & NU
MSU blew the doors off UM & NU
I see Sparty stepping up and exposing OSU.
MSU D > OSU O
Miller and Hyde will have their moments, to be sure, but I think Narduzzi will have a game plan for the ages.
Sparty LOST to ND. The also only beat Purdue 14-0...behind only 1 offensive TD. OSU beat Purdue 56-0 and quit after 3 quaryers.
Opposite of your thought, I think Ohio exposes Sparty.
Hope they both lose!
I'll root for OSU but I think MSU's defense will dominate.
Sparty, then Rose Bowl Meteor so they get the ultimate clowning.
wins on a horrible call by the officials, just so we can watch Urbz whine and cry for about the next 10 years!
Impact on recruiting: Push. Both comprise our biggest recruiting rivals. Even with a BiG championship I don't see Sparty overtaking UM as the state's best recruiter. Hoke may not be an offense mastermind, but the heavyset man sure can recruit.
Douchier coach: Push. Dantonio is a mirthless bastard, and Urbz is an unscrupulous, win-at-all-costs moral phony.
Impact on next 364 days of misery for UM fans: Favor Ohio. Buckeye fans have grown weary of rubbing it in our faces after a decade of dominance. MSU fans with a Big Ten championship, which we haven't had in 10 years, would unsheathe a new dimension of misery on us we've never seen before.
Team Trajectory: Favor Ohio. Ohio's status won't change much with this win. Sparty's will.
Heartstings with the Underdog: Obviously, favor MSU. Sparty's resources and national recruiting pull (Dantonio intergalactic reach aside) are far inferior to Brutus's, so it is always nice to see the little guy beat the big guy (as long as the big guy isn't us).
VERDICT: With your heart you will be leaning for MSU, but with your mind, in terms of what is best for UM, you will be leaning for OSU, provided OSU loses in the NC game.
I think Sparty wins and I want them to. As annoying as the fans will be, I just can't stomach the idea of a school whose coach gets run off for blatant cheating coming back and having a shot at the NC a year later. Fuck Sparty, but fuck the Buckeyes more. The fact that state probably plays in the rose bowl either way just seals it for me.
As good as MSU's D is, I don't see them shutting down Miller and Hyde. OSU will score 30 and will win this game.
I dunno, Ohio will get points, but if anyone matches up with them it's Sparty. Their ability to leave their corners on an island really frees up the rest of the defense to stop the run game. As much as it pains me to say, state has an elite defense this year and their offense is better than people give them credit for.
They did it last year.
If OSU wins, MSU probably ends up in the Rose Bowl, which bumps everyone else in the B1G up a bowl slot, including Michigan (good for us).
If MSU wins, the Buckeyes get knocked down a peg, and let's face it - with Sparty's epic defense this year, they've earned it.
I think the best scenario would be an ugly game that OSU wins on a controversial call and then the voters put Auburn ahead of them in the NC game thus screwing both teams in the process. That would be the best case scenario as a fan without involving natural disasters that swallow the stadium whole. As for what WILL happen? I don't think MSU's offense can score enough and as great as their D is I think they'll still give up 25+ points. OSU in an ugly close game.
In the long run it is probably better for us if OSU is not in the national championship. I actually would want them both to win BCS bowls since the Big Ten is perceived to be a laughingstock of a conference. If Hoke is going to be the guy we are going to have to have a pretty good year next year and a spectacular year in 2015.
If the conference continues to look terrible by Big Ten teams dropping bowl games then when Michigan finally turns this around we will have a much tougher time getting into bowls we want to get into. We need the conference to at least look better for our long term goals.
Edit: to add to this I want Michigan to be the leaders and best of a good conference not simply replace Ohio State as the flag bearer for a down, decrepit conference. Ohio State has had so much success in recent years but have failed on the big stage. This may possibly be due to the Big Ten being down for so long and not providing them a challenge. Obviously we have even less control of how well the conference does and I won't be upset if they lose their bowls. I'm merely stating there may be some good things that come out of Big Ten teams doing well in the non-conference games. Either way Hoke needs to do well the next two years or we will be starting over anyway.
I got the meteor headed right for Lucas Oil Stadium on Saturday!
That's who I'm pulling for1
I just don't think MSU can score enough points against OSU to beat them. It will be a lower scoring game.. but OSU is still going to get 24-28 points. I have Sparty down for 17 points.
I hope Missouri and Auburn collude and Missouri lets Auburn beat them by 60+ points. That way, the voters will really consider letting Auburn jump OSU.
My 6 year old niece decided over the summer that she loves MSU and she's still rooting for them hardcore. She asked me if I was going to root for them this weekend. I said, "no.". Her eyes then got really wide and she asked me if I was rooting for OSU. I said, "no." I will never root for either team.
I'm thinking of not even watching. Maybe I'll tune in at the very end just to see who wins.
My passion for Michigan football will never change. But my passion for college football in general has taken a downward spiral the last few years. All the programs I despise most keep having major success and all the cheating programs keep getting wrist slaps from the NCAA.
I just don't have much motivation to watch a matchup between one rival coached by a slimeball and another rival coached by an asshole.
How did you allow or your brother/sister allow your 6 year old to decide she loves MSU? WHERE IS THE PROPER PARENTING?
Would love to see them blow out Sparty enough to drop them out of the top 14. I would get a huge laugh if Sparty missed out on the Rose Bowl again
This game is the s*** sandwich can't win either way. That being said, do something productive and go make some kids dreams come true for Christmas through the WTKA giving of Christmas campaing. 734-998-1050. They still have kids they need to be adopted for Christmas. Lets show Michigan fans truly give back to the community.
I know that Ohio is our biggest rival, but I can go months without talking to an Ohio fan, I have MSU fans all around me and they're insufferable right now.
As far as respect, I have more respect for Dantonio than Meyer. Dantonio has built that team in his own image and they are tough and hard nosed. Sparty has been better than us under Mark Dantonio, no two ways about it. Meyer is a con artist and awful.
As far as who will win, Sparty kicked the crap out of us and Ohio barely beat us, going with Sparty to win.
I can't root for either. But I hope it's an ugly game for OSU so we can see them get jumped in the polls.
OSU and I want them to win the MNC. I'm sick to death of hearing about how the SEC is the only league playing real football and I want to restore some of the B1G lost lusture. If it takes OSU to do that, I'm ok with that.
And I hope MSU wins the Rose Bowl and every B1G team wins their respective bowl game. Sorry, when we're 7-5 I'm rooting B1G first and foremost.
I predict I will be unhappy no matter what happens
Wipe the smile from Urban ' s smug face!
Sparty thumped us this year, legitimately. Ohio, well, they did not, despite their elite ranking.
Sparty has a great defense. Ohio has a great offense. Lets see who's tougher.
I don't see Ohio being elite. I think they ran the table on a season of creampuffs. Even unranked M came within one play of giving them a spanking they wouldn't forget for 25 years. I cannot respect their "elite" ranking.
Sparty is a bunch of underdog grinders and they have my respect for this season as they actually earned it and I will pull for them to serve justice to Urban and his boys.
If MSU can contain the run decently well, I think they win. OSU doesn't seem like a particularly good passing team
Which scenario hurts Michigan more, from a recruiting standpoint, (1) Ohio goes to NC or (2) 1-loss SEC jumps undefeated perennial B1G power?
Because evil exists, I can see Ohio getting lucky enough to play FSU's third string QB (back-up is injured) on the very last year of the broken BCS chapionship format. That's the only way they could win it because they're not beating any of the top teams at full strength. I hope Ohio loses, to avoid that scenario.
I would like to see the sec out of the ncg. Osu getting stomped in the ncg will be the icing.
Fuck the SEC...and why FSU vs osu NCG is what I'm rooting for:
I live in Atlanta and have been downtown during the SECCG a few times. Last time I went (2010 or 2011) I went to the parking garage near the Georgia dome and a lot of cars had words painted on them with that white stuff that people use to write on their windows.
I kid you not - at least a dozen cars had stuff like "SEC! SEC!" and "GO SEC!" written on them.
Personally, I'll get the most satisfaction out of it being a turnover-filled, terribly-played 3-2 outcome, regardless of who wins. I'm not rooting for either team, but I am interested to see how MSU's defense and Ohio's offense collide.
I guess I'd rather have Ohio win, so that even if MSU goes to the Rose Bowl, it won't be as B1G champions. Of course, that also sets up the potential for Ohio to be embarrassed by Florida State and MSU by Stanford. While personally satisfying, it would push the B1G into Big East territory as far as reputation.
I guess I really just want this season to end. Worst. Season. Ever.
In absence of meteor, I think the most satisfying outcome is OSU winning in a close, ugly game which allows Auburn to leap them in the poll, pushing Ohio to the Rose Bowl and Sparty getting Spartied again.
Here's to hoping the B1G Championship game is as unimpressive as all the B1G hatrers out there expect.
I hate OSU much more.
Can they both lose?
So, I won't be tempted to watch.
I don't live in either state, so I don't have to put up with the fans in general, though in a 5-person office I got an OSU grad and a secretary dating a Sparty. Luckily I'm above them in the org chart, and so I don't have to put up with much either way.
What would bring me much joy is for OSU to win but get passed by Auburn. What would bring me the most pain is OSU in the NC game. I think the MSU team is filled with jackasses, but I think OSU cheats. So, while I wouldn't root for MSU over the space aliens from Independence Day, Sparty on.
I keep going back and forth in terms of rooting interest. I don't like either program, but I think I actually have less hate for Ohio than I do Sparty. Either way, I suspect we will find that one of the two teams will be exposed as being not as good as people think, due to the very weak B1G this year.
If OSU wins and gets screwed out of the championship, and at the same time msu gets sent to the cap 1 bowl, sign me up. If sparty goes to the rose regardless, let them win and just deal with what could have been if not for the ghosts of ND.
The spartys and buckeyes go to OT where OSU wins. Auburn handles MO easily and jumps the OSU in the BCS poll and plays FSU in the championship gaem.
OR! FSU could lose to Duke; resulting in an OSU v. Auburn title game...and we all know who wins that one
I want Ohio's 24 game win streak snapped, and I want a Big 10 Team to beat OSU. I'm sick and tired of hearing OSU crow about their success, and how they're the only real team in the Big 10. Their hubris in planning for the National Championship is annoying. From my perspective, Michigan has already passed MSU in recruiting, and I'd much rather have MSU win now rather than later, when Michigan will be winning. Plus, I don't have any problem with them going to a BCS game, and they haven't been to the Rose Bowl for a long time.
I shouldn't have to say that I don't care for MSU, but they're the lesser of two evils, in my opinion. Ohio is the slimier, sleezier team, and I want to see Urban Meyer cut down to size. Ohio is lucky they won last week, and I want their offense to feel some real pain.
I tend to agree with you on most points. Ohio State had a gift of a season, especially with the Auburn win, and the eeking out of a win against us. But I fear more comments like, "Where's the threat?" coming out of Dantonio if they go on to win. Best case scenario is Michigan State wins and puts the Buckeyes in their place, and then Narduzzi leaves to head coach.
You speak my mind
i honestly don't know if I really care who wins the game...I guess Ohio St. because we just gave them a great game, and I made a bet with my GF that no SEC teams would make the championship game this year (was really banking on Oregon at the time, she is a UK fan).
I really don't like either team, but I find myself pulling for OSU more often because I respect them more as a rival and College Football is better when both OSU and UM are good (god i hope we get good).....Sparty being good does little for the B1G. People will start to respect the B1G more when Michigan and OSU (also Penn State and Neb) are at the top again and Sparty/Wisconsin/Iowa/Nwestern look solid year to year. The SEC pretty much has their blue bloods looking good year to year with a lot of solid teams thrown in there (and UK lol). But we rational fans know all SEC teams outside of Bama are no better than any other solid team in any other conference. So I guess I am pulling for OSU to bring the whole perception of the B1G up one notch.
The B1G also desperately needs to have a good showing in bowl games this year, probably more than any other year. That means we will have to beat whoever we play (Georgia, Vandy, some Big12 team), OSU will have to have a good showing if they go to the MNC, Sparty will have to have a great showing in the Rose Bowl (hopefully they both somehow pull off a win), and the rest of our bowl teams have to have great showings or win. We need a winning bowl record, especially against SEC foes. I'm so sick of hearing how wide the gap is between the SEC and Big10...it is also bad for recruiting when kids are constantly reading Twitter and watching ESPN talk about how awesome every SEC team is even though it's pretty clear there are some pretty average teams in that conference.
I think those of you pulling against OSU and Sparty in their bowl games must live inside a B1G bubble of sorts, I live in SEC country and I must say I would much rather see every SEC team lose and the Big10 win to gain respect. The B1G is a laughingstock down here and needs to earn respect. Michigan (or any Big10 team for that matter) may not sniff another MNC if the perception of the B1G follows the path that the former Big East took. Our conference needs to look good if we ever want to be in the top 4 playoff discussion going forward. We don't want one B1G loss to keep us on the outside looking in. The Pac12 earned respect the past few years, even after USC's dominance, so can the B1G.
Tell it like it is!
I would like to see a flash pandemic which causes the players try to eat each other. This melee spills into the stands where the fans of each deplorabale fan base continue to gorge on the others brains and limbs. Finally, before the horror can spill into the streets and harm the nice people of Indianapolis, the USAF surgically destroys the stadium and spares us further tragedy. Or something like that.
hmmm that is stepping up the natural disaster talk. In this case the whole Earth isn't destroyed with the meteor scenario. Everybody else needs to step up their games.
Thanks. It's from the heart, man.
Only way to be sure.
2) If no meteor, how about each team's bus crash into one another on the way to the stadium.
3) If no crash, how about Braxton Miller trips into Carlos Hyde during the coin flip resulting in a dominoes style falling of both teams' captains which sprains all of their ACLs and none of them can play. Then the ensuing game is a 0-0 after the 7th OT and is declared a draw.
4) If none of those then I say OSU wins because quite frankly I want the Buckeyes undefeated streak to end at the hands of Michigan and no one else.
It is in Indiana, so a tornado is a somewhat more likely option.
Dark Knight Rises kickoff, Black Sunday finish.
I always root for my conference. If my conference looks good, my team looks better. I want a B1G team to win the next national championship, even if it can't be my team.
I can't stand the fact that the SEC has won the so many national championships in row. I can't stand knowing that Missouri and Texas A&M were middle tier teams in the Big 12 but by virtue of them being in the SEC, the "experts" are saying they are powerhouses. Cripes, Missouri lost to Navy just a few years ago. A&M was 7-6 in their last year in the Big 12 and the next year 11-2 in the SEC. These are largely the same teams. I guess the Big 12 must have been better than the SEC, right? No one seems to mention this very often.
People were talking about a 1 loss SEC team is more deserving than an undefeated B1G team. This is outrageous! So few people on this board seem to question this at all. Is Alabama a good team? Absolutely! Could they go undefeated in the B1G? Absolutely! Could a random B1G team beat them on a last-minute fluke play? Absolutely. I'm tired of my team being crappy. I'm tired of our conference being crappy. However, I'm not going to wish failure on my conference because my team sucks.
Ohio is the best team in our conference. That's where they should be. Michigan is supposed to be the other great team in our conference. They are not. That's not Ohio's fault. That's our fault. Someone once posted on here that we let down our rival, Ohio; that we are not living up to our obligation to them in this rivalry. The poster was immediately chastised, but I wholeheartedly agree with them. I absolutely HATE Ohio fans. They are the worst. However, their team wins. They won with Tressel. They're undefeated with Meyer. It's not Ohio's fault that we suck. It's Michigan's fault. It's Michigan's fault we lost to App. St. It's Michigan's fault we were owned by USC. It's Michigan's fault we can't win a Rose Bowl. It's Michigan's fault we've only won two bowl games in the last decade. It's Michigan's fault RR was hired. It's Michigan's fault we lose every time we play a good team.
The B1G is a great conference with a great history. It represents the Midwest and how many of us were raised. The B1G is also not as bad as everyone is saying. The B1G is all we have right now. If we can't bring glory to our conference, we need to cheer on those who can. It's not about a single team anymore. These days, the national appeal of a conference is almost as important as a team's record. I want Ohio and State to represent the B1G at the highest level and both smash their opponents. I hope every team in the B1G wins big. I hope one day soon recruits will want to play in the B1G because it’s the best football conference in the land.
Go Blue! Go B1G!
my sentiments exactly...best post in a long time whether it's popular opinion or not. I live in SEC country (in Lexington KY, home of UK) and i constantly hear how UK would be one of the top 4 or 5 teams in the B1G every year....I really want the Big10 to show up and show these moron SEC fans that college football is relatively even across the BCS landscape with the excetption of a few great teams with momentum (that can be easily lost if not careful), and anyone can lose to anyone.
Go Blue!....Go B1G! (cannot say "Go Ohio", but i hope they win)
It blows my mind all of the people on this board rooting against their own conference. While each team is measured by the conference they play in, these idiot posters are hoping our teams lose on the national stage to further perpetuate what a crappy conference the B1G is. The ACC is more highly regarded than the B1G these days. What a joke! To hope whatever team represents us in the MNC and Rose Bowl get embarrassed is idiotic, trashy, and reeks of insecurity.
The only way for our team to become relevant again is for us to beat the teams that beat everyone else. If our top two teams won big in bowl play, think about what that would mean for our conference and how much better we would look as a team.
In league play, I want Ohio and MSU to loose ALL of their games, but I always root for the B1G in EVERY OOC game. (Except, I'll admit, when MSU played Boise St. in Detroit a few years ago)
Maybe the posters on this board have never been outside the Midwest and don't realize everyone in the country thinks our conference is a joke. I'm suprised I haven't heard talk about a three loss SEC going to the MNC over an undefeated B1G team.
"I can't stand the fact that the SEC has won the so many national championships in row. "
If we're completely honest, "the SEC" in this context refers mainly to three teams: Alabama (three times), LSU (twice), and Florida (twice), and then you have Auburn as the interloper with generational talent Cam Newton and their one...with this year's Auburn team's script still unfinished.
The SEC is what, 14, 16 teams (I can't even remember anymore)..."the conference" isn't winning these championships...a cabal of a few demonstrably superior teams, in some cases built/coached by the same man (Saban at LSU/Alabama) is. We're not seeing Kentucky, Vanderbilt, or Mississippi competing for supremacy. Even the second-tier teams like South Carolina and Georgia are nowhere near the status of being able to compete in the same way. Past powers like Tennessee are dormant and going nowhere, Arkansas is still feeling the effects of Bobby Petrino, the Florida teams that Urban Meyer coached are gone the way of the Pete Carroll-era USC teams. And the effect has been that the teams that AREN'T winning those championships are suddenly very competitive with two fair-to-middlin' former Big 12 schools like Mizzou and Texas A&M.
And you are correct in saying that only a few teams from the SEC have been great. However, one of the fair-to-middlin teams beat Bama last year. Alabama can be beaten. Everyone can be beaten.
Even if the same SEC team won the MNC every year, the talking heads and national perception, would still say that the SEC is the almighty conference and nothing else compares. According to the media, Florida St. is unstoppable. Alabama is the greatest. Auburn is in the SEC and therefore more deserving of Ohio because the B1G sucks. Blah, blah, blah...
Would you rather the SEC win the NC for the next 20 years just so Ohio doesn't win it? When will enough be enough? Sooner or later people are going to quit looking for excuses for the B1G and hope their conference starts winning. Why not start now?
If you are looking for somthing to help change your mind, go hang out with an SEC fan for a football season. After that, you'll always cheer for the B1G in bowl games.
Also, didn't it really get your blood boiling when Alabama didn't win their conference but was still able to go to the NC game because the talking heads said they were the best team? Remember 2006 in the B1G? That's the national perception I'm talking about. That's what needs to change.
"Even if the same SEC team won the MNC every year, the talking heads and national perception, would still say that the SEC is the almighty conference and nothing else compares."
They also say this because the SEC wins most of the bowl games their teams go to. Unfortunately Big Ten teams are the teams that they usually beat thanks to the match-up deals cut between the bowls and the conferences. The ACC can usually be counted on to lose to the SEC in the Chick Fil-A Bowl, too.
"According to the media, Florida St. is unstoppable. Alabama is the greatest. "
Florida State is in the ACC. The SEC was trying to get them to join for a number of years when they were an indiependent (they were independent when they played Michigan during the Bo/Mo years), but they wouldn't do it. When they decided to join the ACC instead, their reputation took kind of a hit as looking for the easy route to the undefeated season, even though they still plaed both Miami and Florida each year. Alabama has won three BCS championships in 4 years and seemingly stocked half of the NFL in the process. Only a fool would argue against those acomplishments.
"Would you rather the SEC win the NC for the next 20 years just so Ohio doesn't win it? "
Obviously, yes. I would rather see ANY team win a national championship over the next 20 years than Ohio State. I'm a Michigan fan. Are you?
"If you are looking for somthing to help change your mind, go hang out with an SEC fan for a football season. After that, you'll always cheer for the B1G in bowl games. "
I have lived my entire life in Atlanta, GA...it is the spiritual and financial heart of ESS-EEE-SEE country. The first thing these people do when they get their degrees from UGA, 'Bama, Auburn, Florida, Carolina, Tennessee, or LSU is move to Atlanta for jobs. You are not telling me anything I don't already know significantly better than you. And I do cheer for the B1G in bowl games. I was happy when STAEE beat UGA a couple of years back. But I would no more pull for Ohio Stae or Notre Dame to win a bowl game (and ESPECIALLY a BCS championship bowl game) than I would pull for them to win a game with Michigan. It's the first rule of college football. Pull your team to win, pull for your team's blood rival(s) to lose.
"didn't it really get your blood boiling when Alabama didn't win their conference but was still able to go to the NC game because the talking heads said they were the best team? "
Not for that reason, no. In the regular season that year LSU beat the Pac 10 (12?) champion in Oregon and beat the Big East champion in West Virginia in games that weren't close. They beat Alabama at their place in a close game and crushed the SEC East champion UGA by 30 in Atlanta. They SHOULD have been given the opportunity to play the next champion in line (Oklahoma State), who they likely would have beaten to finish with an unprecedented record of being the national champion that defeated three BCS conference champions on the way to the title, truly an all-time accomplishment considering the way schedules are managed these days. That would have been historic, equal to the NE Patriots going 19-0. Unfortunately for LSU and history it ended the same way it did for the Patriots. Equally unfortunate for everyone other than Alabama fans, the rematch ended up being the "right" decision based on the outcome.
Look, college football has gotten almost as badly screwed up as most pro sports in this country over the last 20 years, and a lot of that IS the SEC's fault...the whole "split the conference and add a championship game" experiment was based on greed and because it worked so well for one conference it just HAD to work that well for all the others. But at the end of the day, it's still about two things: I want my team to win, and I want the teams I hate to lose. And O How I Hate Ohio State (and ND) more than any other school in the country. There is no SEC school that irritates me enough to deviate from that mantra.
well my friend...the more BCS titles the SEC wins and the more Ohio State loses to the SEC in that game, the more the B1G will continue to get disrespected.
Like you, I too pull for my team to win, no matter how bad the conference is perceived to be. But if the SEC actually does win 20 in a row (unlikely obviously), and MIchigan happens to have a handful of 11-1 seasons in that span where we feel deserving of being in the top 4...guess what...they will leave the that MIchigan team out because they are in the Big10.
I will always want Ohio to have a great record against other opponents that are not Michigan, not that I won't laugh at them when they are down, but still. The last 10-15 years it has been the opposite of that. They have done fantastic against us and the B1G, but lousy in big games that the media and casual fan (many SEC fans are casual bandwagonners, especially in Lexington KY) will see as your defining moments. OSU is the face of the conference now and they directly affect the outcomes of some of Michigan's seasons, we need them to perform well agianst teams that aren't us if we want real national recognition in the future.
We need to perform too....good god is it getting tougher and tougher to watch Michigan football....now I know how fans of constantly mediocre programs feel.
I can't get wrapped up on that "conference über alles" crap if it means pulling for Ohio State. If people think poorly of the B1G because Ohio State gets their ass handed to them in BCS competition and because the other teams making it to bowl games lose those games more often than not, that is a process known as "rationalization".
I'd like to see every B1G team win their bowl game except Ohio State. Does that make you feel better?
For this scenario! Love it!
You forgot the part about a bitter Sparty team merping their unimpressive bowl game against Duke or Baylor.
My two rooting priorities are:
1. State of Michigan schools over non-state of Michigan schools.
2. Conference schools over non-conference schools.
Regarding #1, go Sparty on Saturday.
Regarding #2, there are times when a rule must be broken. I did root for the Nuts in the national title game against Miami under the mistaken assumption that only one group of criminals was taking the field. If OSU makes it to the title game this year, I won't get fooled again. To hell with those bird-flipping, mouth-breathing, florid-faced, gap-toothed morons. I would even root for the South Bend Pullets before I would Ohio.
I'm rooting for a herd of walkers to attack the stadium and begin the zombie apocalypse.
MSU. That's who I *want* to win. I really don't have a clue as to whether they really ate capable of doing it. They could win because their D is actually capable of stopping OSU. I don't think they'll be able to get much off the film as to how their offense can move the ball because they don't have the same level on offense that we do. They could certainly lose however by simply being Sparty and not wanting to win the game enough. They already won their Super Bowl when they beat us this year. Hopefully for once they can overcome this mentality.
I hate Sparty, but...
It's the only answer.
I didn't read the entire thread, so this has probably been mentioned already, but I'd rather see OSU win.
1. I hate MSU. They lose to OSU.
2. I hate the SEC, so they get left out of the NCG with an OSU win.
3. I hate OSU. They would lose to FSU in the NCG.
Perfect storm - MSU loss, no SEC in NCG, OSU loss. Lolz for all.
OSU beats MSU so bad they fall to 15 and Alabama plays in the Rose Bowl. Do you want to chance that?
I don't think that OSU has the ability to beat MSU that bad. But, to that point, who cares if Alabama plays in the Rose Bowl??
This thread makes me sad. I'm just going to pretend there are no games this weekend and sit in my shower crying uncontrollably. The one thing that could have been worse is if Ohio would have played Notre Dame last year in the national championship. Thank God for sanctions or my head may have exploded.
Is it too much to ask for a well-played, entertaining game in which one of them is guaranteed to lose?
I have figured out what would be best for me, because really that's all that matters, right...? Right?
In my fantasy scenario, osu barely beats Sparty because Sparty does something stupid like fumble on their way to the winning touchdown, miss a bunny of a FG to win, or maybe a trick play just gets blown up and some fat buckeye lumbers it home to win by a couple. Auburn gets their ass handed to them by Mizzou, and Mizzou, not AU, jumps osu to get into the title game, but i really don't care what SEC team that was either 0-8 or 2-6 last year wins (go Hogs in '14!) as long as osu and Urbs get no NC (although if Michigam can rack up 600 yards who knows what Famous Jameis will do to them - I believe they will get the Ned Beatty in Deliverance treatment, squealing all the way home). osu then goes to the Rose Bowl and gets handled by whomever it is thats out there, really don't give a rat's ass on this one either. Sparty again gets no Rose Bowl and loses by a ton to a pissed-off-for-no-NC-game-SEC team. They haven't been to one since my (first) junior year in Ann Arbor in 1987. That's 26 years if you're scoring at home... or if you're alone. Where have you gone Lorenzo White...?
My personal schadenfreude meter will blow a gasket, but I have plenty of replacement parts.
...and won't bother to watch it.
I'd like to see a B1G team win the MNC and end the SEC streak. I think they can beat Florida State. So go Bucks.
I hope that Spary still gets a Rose Bowl bid.
We of course will enjoy the Whatever Bowl.
I at least have respect for dantonio when Meyer doesn't even suspend his players for fighting and flipping off a crowd on live tv. And if OSU loses it's a big fu to delany for not stepping in.
I'm for whatever needs to happen to keep MSU out of the Rose Bowl.
Probably mean Ohio getting into the Rose Bowl which means an SEC Champion Auburn leaping them in the BCS poll this Sunday.
C'mon karma, keep me a believer in your infinite cosmic justice.
if Ohio wins. Rose Bowl would then pick a non B1G team.
I'd rather talk about OT topics than this.
F**k you, 2013. So hard.
I'm pulling for Sparty because they're the lesser of two evils, and I could live with seeing them go to the Rose Bowl. But I could not live with seeing OSU waltz it's way to a national title off of fluke plays and a cream puff schedule. Knowing Michigan's luck:
-OSU will win next week, and so will FSU.
-The title game is set with FSU vs. OSU.
-Winston is arrested shortly thereafter.
-OSU gets the luxury of playing against a 3rd string QB and wins a national title.
That sort of thing would happen, because the universe seems to love giving Michigan the middle finger these days...
A huge brawl will break out late 3rd/4th quarter. The game will be called and end in a tie.
OSU, just so I can listen to The Ticket without hearing Mike Valenti tell us how God created MSU with his own hands.
Maybe a black hole swallows both teams?
How the hell do you have over 2,000 MGoPoints???
Because I've been here a while and I'm not insane so I got upvoted because people still (used to?) enjoy rational football conversation. And, I'm, like, the best looking guy here?
My guess is Ohio State by maybe 10.
My hope is they narrowly defeat Sparty, and Auburn rolls. Auburn gets the NCG, Buckeyes still don't get there despite two undefeated seasons, and Sparty is denied the Rose Bowl yet again.
Yeah, this thread turned out to be as reasonable as I thought it would be.
Cheer for either MSU or Ohio? A prime example of a "Hobson's choice": the necessity of accepting one of two or more equally objectionable alternatives.
A plague o' both your houses!
Personally I want Sparty to win. I work with several Buckeye fans and they'll readily admit that if they play FSU in the MNCG, they're going to get eviscerated. Aside from Dantonio being a jackass, he's ran his program cleanly and built it up over time. Also I think it'll be karmic for Dantonio to end Urban's streak, especially after Urban flipped a couple of commits from Sparty when he first came to ohio.
This is like choosing between a root canal and a full colo-rectal exam. I'll take Sparty because I don't want Ohio playing for the national "championship."
is Sparty the root canal ir the colo-rectal exam? I'm not sure from the description.
osu because how can anyone cheer for the Grouch?
also, OSU will win going away - they won't be able to keep up w/ OSU.
Terrible season all around for CFB. Too many bad guys winning, not enough good guys winning. I'll be glad when it's over.
To answer the OP's question: Go Green, and it's not even close. Ohio does not deserve to back into a NC with a tissue soft schedule and the fact that they're even in consideration is a big part of why this season is so awful.
Not necessarily. I would put Stanford, Vanderbilt, Baylor, and Duke in the 'good guy' category. They all had pretty good seasons.
On the other hand, if those guys are doing well, then what's Michigan's excuse?
This matchup is too depressing for me to care about who wins or loses. If you would have told me back in 2004 (the last time Michigan won a B1G championship) that it would be 9+ years before Michigan wins another one and that Michigan State would come closer to winning one in that span of time than Michigan would, I would have called you a crackpot.
MSU won a B1G championship in 2010. Call me a crackpot.
I'm hoping that Bane comes out of the tunnel during the opening kickoff.
for 2 reasons:
1. I live in Columbus and I won't hear the end of it if OSU wins. If STAEE wins i can at least talk some smack.
2. MSU going to the Rose Bowl will not hurt us much in recruiting. They pretty much recruit Michigan, Ohio, and Florida. All the top prospects pick OSU or Michigan so MSU winning does not have a ripple effect. OSU winning propels them to another level, Alabama-like in the absolutely terrible B1G.
I shudder at the possibilities but OSU winning is far worse for us in the long run.
MSU is playing for a coin flip in the Rose Bowl. They will (unless blown the f* out) definitly be going to the Rose Bowl win or lose.
OSU is playing for National Title game.
What will make me most happy? OSU not going to the National Title Game. I don't care if Sparty gets to call heads or tails.
Can anyone imagine the shit we will hear for the next 30 years if meyer wins a NC in his second year...sparty...hands down...
Want Michigan State to win, but I think Ohio State wins 31-27
Sparty. I'm not interested in anything that helps to promote the Ohio reign of terror. I think long term MSU can be handled. The BUTTGUYS, specifically Meyer need an ching in their armor. Matter of fact, I would like to see the BUTTGUYS lose this game and their bowl game. And I say that being a complete and unabashed BIG homer.
I will be rooting for the other Green and White school in the state to beat those bastards from Ohio. Two reasons: They are from Michigan and it should sew the seeds of chaos in the BCS.
In the interest of number 2, I will also be rooting for Duke and Missouri so there are a bunch of 1 loss teams duking it out.
so I will root against msu.
However, I think OSU will win. Kenny Guiton might need to play more during this game, though.
Piss on ohio. I would've loved nothing more than for us to give them their first loss in two years, but I guess I'll be rooting for msu to do it. Personally I think msu is elite and osu is a fraud, but we will see on Saturday.
No one is giving Missouri any credit. To the guy who said they lost to Navy a few years ago and "are basically the same" apparently you have not seen them play this year. They are strong on offense and defense.
They are 11-1 with their only loss due to hitting the upright on a FG attempt in the 2nd OT to 10-2 South Carolina.
If they beat Auburn there is no way Bama should leap them. If that happens why even have an SEC championship game?
If OSU loses and FSU wins I think it should be FSU and NIU in the BCSCG.
then I will cleanse myself by watching them get trucked in the Rose Bowl
I don't like either team and I don't watch either team other than when they play Michigan. So I don't care who wins and I won't be watching.
I think Ohio St. takes control early with a couple long TDs and wins handily..OSU 38, MSU 14
Got Ohio. 2 bets set-up at the workplace, $5 and $10. Was hoping for more but I don't think too many Sparty's are confident here. They talk a big game but I don't buy it.