December 4th, 2013 at 9:31 AM ^
and if you present this quote to most osu fans, your head will get dizzy from all the spinning that'll follow.
December 4th, 2013 at 9:43 AM ^
Um, you do realize he was advocating Florida to jump Michigan, right? And that Michigan had lost a game as opposed to being undefeated as Ohio is now?
December 4th, 2013 at 9:54 AM ^
But the principle is the same: what matters is your resume. The SEC coaches, ADs, and fans, will always insist that a one-loss SEC team deserves to play in the NC game. Auburn's AD said a NC game without the SEC champion was un-American!
Auburn has beaten four teams currently ranked in the BCS top 25: @LSU (#15), @Texas A&M (#24), Georgia (#22), Alabama (#4). Ohio State's only signature win was against #21 Wisconsin.
December 4th, 2013 at 11:07 AM ^
And LSU, A&M, and Georgia are all overrated (plus, LSU beat Auburn). Auburn's resume is more impressive than OSU's, and would be boosted by a win over Missouri. That said, if there are two undefeated teams in major conferences, then it should go to them. If anything, FSU's record is less impressive than OSU. The ACC is as weak or weaker than the B1G this year.
December 4th, 2013 at 11:29 AM ^
Auburn lost to LSU.
December 4th, 2013 at 10:45 AM ^
10-10 shitshow followed by some shady call to give OSU the win in OT. Auburn jumps OSU and gets stomped by FSU in title. OSU then goes to Rose and gets disemboweled by PAC champ.
December 5th, 2013 at 8:25 AM ^
December 4th, 2013 at 9:57 AM ^
My ideal scenario is OSU beats MSU soundly, but is passed up by Auburn who goes to the NC game. OSU drops to the Rose Bowl, and MSU to one of the Florida bowls.
This keeps Sparty's BCS-free streak intact. It also raises raised the B1G - SEC matchups to more favorable situations from top to bottom.
December 4th, 2013 at 10:54 AM ^
The only way I see Ohio getting passed is if the squeek by MSU on some fluke or have something like big fight results in suspending players for NCG (like that would happen) that casts a doubt on their ability to make the NCG even close. That is the ideal for me, but not sure it is possible. Maybe more realistic is Ohio crushes MSU and goes to the NCG, but MSU falls far enough in the polls that they are not BCS eligible.
December 6th, 2013 at 11:37 AM ^
That's what I'm rooting for. 42-0.
December 4th, 2013 at 9:17 AM ^
Eh I'll take MSU. Their fans have waited a really long time for a Rose Bowl, and seeing OSU in the title game 2 years removed from a cheating scandal would be maddening.
December 4th, 2013 at 9:18 AM ^
Sparty hasn't been to the Rose Bowl for over 25 years and maybe twice in the last 50. It's cute that they'll get to go again. A nice little underdog story. Barring something crazy they're going to the Rose Bowl win or lose, so they might as well win and keep Ohio out of the title game.
December 4th, 2013 at 9:21 AM ^
case scenario is OSU wins, Auburn jumps them, OSU to Rose bowl and Sparty to non-BCS land once again. A real win-win for everyone.
December 4th, 2013 at 9:35 AM ^
One could only hope
December 4th, 2013 at 9:44 AM ^
Both the polls and computers like Ohio right now. If Ohio and Auburn both win I don't think that changes. Maybe the computers but they're only 1/3 of the vote. Human pollsters will pick the undefeated team.
December 4th, 2013 at 12:51 PM ^
There's nothing cute about how they whooped our asses 5 of 6 years.
December 4th, 2013 at 9:22 AM ^
Also the possibility of listening to them talk about how great the SEC is for another year is terrifying. Anything to keep the SEC out of the national championship for me.
December 4th, 2013 at 9:22 AM ^
Rooting for:
1. Meteor
2. Sparty - I think they are in the Rose Bowl win or lose, so they might as well do something useful on their way.
3. Apocolypse
Who will win?
I have no idea. MSU has been more impressive in B1G play. No games under double digit wins, while Ohio needed a hail mary at the end of the first half to beat Wiscy, a horrendous spot to beat 1-7 Northwestern and gave up 600 yards to a team averaging 3.2 yards per play in November.
That said, Nebraska was able to move the ball against Sparty and Ohio runs a similar offense. Ohio's defense plays its best when they are being questioned and they should be severely questioned after last week.
Last year Ohio won by a point at home. I expect a close game. Since the Buckeyes are the luckiest fucking bastards I have ever seen, I think they will pull some shit out of their ass and somehow win the game.
December 4th, 2013 at 9:23 AM ^
Am I wrong about the impact of Ohio State winning the NC? Honest thought and honest question.
December 4th, 2013 at 9:28 AM ^
I don't think that OSU winning the NC would do anything to help the B1G.....especially if they play FSU. Everyone will still think that there were 4-5 SEC teams that were bettter but they just didn't get into the game because they played tougher schedules.
December 4th, 2013 at 9:31 AM ^
Based on conversations I've had with my friends, who almost all live outside Big Ten country, I don't know that Ohio winning would really do much for the Big Ten's reputation. For one, they (likely) wouldn't have to beat an SEC team to win it. It's also going to take more than one national championship to sway people at this point - it's going to take several seasons of strong bowl wins vs. SEC teams to start changing people's minds.
December 4th, 2013 at 10:10 AM ^
Now you're thinking like an ESS-EEE-SEE fanboi.
When Alabama keeps winning the national championship, it doesn't help the SEC. It helps Alabama (and the NFL). All the UGA fans around here are mighty proud of "the streak", but all that streak has done is keep the best high school players in the region queuing up to go to the schools that are winning. It actually makes your school look worse by comparison...but it gives you a nice crutch to lean on to try to explain why your team can't compete even though they should be able to recruit (and this is ESPECIALLY true in UGA's case, where Mark Richt is generally considered to be a fantastic recruiter) from the same talent field.
I'm not about elevating Ohio just so the B1G looks better. It's not one school's responsibility to reflect on the whole conference...the year Michigan won the MNC I think every other team in the B1G that went to bowl games lost them. I didn't lose any sleep over that at all.
December 4th, 2013 at 11:41 AM ^
December 4th, 2013 at 1:06 PM ^
The B1G conference isn't my problem, and the ESS-EEE-SEE isn't, either (even though I live surrounded by them). I care about my team. The only team I really want to win is Michigan. The only teams I really want to lose are Ohio and Notre Dame. If pressed I say I don't wish ill for the other B1G teams, I'd LIKE for them to do better, be more competitive with other bigtime conferences but the philosophies of the schools and the conferences just aren't on the same level.
If any other B1G team goes to the Rose Bowl (or God forbid the BCS championship), even MSU, I wouldn't mind them winning, but there's just no way in hell I could see myself wanting it to happen if that team has to be Ohio, and unfortunately for everyone else in the conference, Ohio is the only school who takes its football as seriously as the ESS-EEE-SEE does and builds itself to compete at the same level.
December 4th, 2013 at 9:23 AM ^
Considering that Sparty is probably in the Rose Bowl either way, I'll probably be rooting for Sparty. Not sure I understand the arguments of rooting for Ohio because it makes Michigan look better - look better to who? I doubt many people are even thinking about that, at this point. Besides, I'm not even sure if this makes sense, given that we got annihilated by Sparty. It was our only sound loss. If Sparty beats Ohio, I would think that loss becomes more justified.
December 4th, 2013 at 9:58 AM ^
I dont get the "for OSU" idea either. Even a NCG appearance by OSU hurts us. We go up against oSU for recruits way more than MSU. ND as well. If OSU goes to the NCG that means both ND and OSU will have gone and UM is sitting in 8th place in a lowly Big 10 last year... that hurts recruiting at the boundary. UM should not be rooting for OSU or ND do to well if they care about recruiting.
p.s. I think FSU would destroy OSU. Auburn or Missouri not so much. Lost in FSU's offense is a pretty darn awesome defense. FSU has beaten a bunch of their conf opponents not by 10, not by 20, but by 30+. And that includes Clemson. FSU Bama would have been a great game because I think this was the year someone non SEC would have won.
December 4th, 2013 at 9:23 AM ^
Gonna go with meteor.
December 4th, 2013 at 9:25 AM ^
I had this discussion with a guy at Fraser's on Saturday and he was incredulous that I would ever pick the Buckeyes. To me, the difference is that I respect the Buckeyes. That's Michigan's rival and who they traditionally compete against. I have NO respect for Sparty. They need to regress to the mean as soon as possible. It has to be coming, right?
As someone above pointed out, this is the worst season ever. I don't mind seeing the Buckeyes lose another MNC game. It will REALLY bother me to see Sparty in the Rose Bowl (although it's pretty much unavoidable at this point).
December 4th, 2013 at 9:33 AM ^
This seems like a problem, though. It might be time to start respecting Sparty, at least in terms of how they play football. Under Dantonio, they've become a consistently good team, and much better than Michigan has been over the last 5 years.
Respecting their players and fans from a sportsmanship persepective is an entirely different thing, however.
December 4th, 2013 at 11:18 AM ^
For me it's all about risk management. So lets take a look at things.
First, even as you mention , MSU is likely going to the rose bowl with a W or an L in this game. So since that's going to happen we can ignore the outcome of the game for the risk of MSU going to the rose bowl. So , for me, that's not even a factor.
Then you have recuriting. A MSU win could impact our recuriting a bit when going up against MSU, no doubt about that. Butt... it probably won't have any long lasting effects. There is more holding back MSU's recuriting efforts than their trips to the Rose Bowl. So that's a very small factor for an MSU win.
The flip side is an OSU win. Well lets take a look at that. We know if they lose they will not be going to an NC game... we know if they win there is a damn good chance they will be in the NC game. The risk of OSU being in a NC game is HUGE to me... Seeing them win a NC bothers me 100000x more than MSU making it to the rose bowl. So this is clearly a factor for me. It's nice to see you're confident they'll lose... but yeah, reality says they can easily win one too.
Then you have recuriting. OSU is clearly more of a rival in recuriting than MSU. Them just making the NC game will boost their efforts, winning it will do even more. So another huge factor for an OSU win.
Throw in the fact that OSU is our #1 Rival and it's really not even close. I don't get how anyone could root for OSU in this game... but hey.
December 4th, 2013 at 9:27 AM ^
I live in Columbus and need very badly for OSU to not even have a chance at the National Championship. So, while its not ideal, Sparty On.
December 4th, 2013 at 9:38 AM ^
I live in Ohio also. Any Michigan fan who lives here has to be rooting fo rthe Spartans. Dealing with Buckeye jerks in a normal season is bad enough; if they get to the NC game (and especially if they win it), they would be more insufferable. Plus, we recruit against Ohio--don't want Urbs showing recruits his NC ring if they win it.
December 4th, 2013 at 11:40 AM ^
December 4th, 2013 at 1:08 PM ^
Not Ohio.
December 4th, 2013 at 6:41 PM ^
December 4th, 2013 at 9:33 AM ^
December 4th, 2013 at 9:33 AM ^
Beelzebub... Wait that's ambiguous... Edge to Sparty based on the bowl match ups... Either way: If OSU wins, FSU >>> OSU and State will get an at large. It would be delicious to see them lose to NIU or UCF. It would be more delicious to see OSU lose to NIU or UCF and Sparty get thrashed by Stanford.
December 4th, 2013 at 9:35 AM ^
Not a fan of the metor option as it could have broad effects to neighboring states and cities. I think a huge sink hole should open up and swallow the stadium and then no one has to worry about whose going to win. It would be nice if the sink hole swallowed both urbs and dantonio.
December 4th, 2013 at 9:36 AM ^
Bonus
December 4th, 2013 at 9:54 AM ^
Oh wouldn't that be a nice bonus!
December 4th, 2013 at 9:38 AM ^
No good choice.. I cant stand ohio as program and thier fanbase.. State fans surround me.. im screwed
December 4th, 2013 at 9:39 AM ^
December 4th, 2013 at 9:39 AM ^
is backing osu...so, there's that.
December 4th, 2013 at 9:43 AM ^
Sparty has a better more physical team. OSU is good, but also on an incredibly lucky run aided by our mediocre conference. OSU's good karma run needs to end...and it makes no sense why they keep getting such joy.
Basically their punishment for cheating was...1 meh year, 1 bowl ban, an upgrade at head coach, and 2 years of good breaks during a 24 game win streak. Would like to see Sparty finish what we couldn't
December 4th, 2013 at 9:44 AM ^
Bo once said during a halftime speech "There's a difference between getting beat and being embarrassed." And then walked out of the locker room.
How many times was UM embarrassed this season?
December 4th, 2013 at 10:01 AM ^
Once?
December 4th, 2013 at 11:50 AM ^
Its pretty embarrassing to put up 45 yards in a half. Or lose to a Penn State team given the near death penalty. Or lose to a Nebraska team by putting up less than 200 yards. Its also embarrassing to beat Akron and Connecticut by a combined 7 points.
December 4th, 2013 at 2:54 PM ^
All in all...it was a disgrace. Especially after last year, playing some of the best teams in the country.
1. Bama
2. ND
3. Ohio
4. (Legit) South Carolina
-You'd think this staff and the returning players would know how to prepare for a big game by now. They seemed beyond lost and scared to win, instead they preferred to play with their backs against the wall.
December 4th, 2013 at 9:44 AM ^