Some actual reasons why we lost to OSU again

Submitted by WolverineMan1988 on December 1st, 2019 at 10:50 AM

I've never posted anything on the board before, but the amount of ridiculous responses to why we keep losing to OSU is getting old.  If you want actual reasons, it really comes down to execution.  Here's just a sampling of mental and physical mistakes that either directly or indirectly cost Michigan precious points as well as momentum.  I'll go in order for everyone:

First half:

1. Nordin misses extra point - 1 point

2. Patterson fumbles the snap - 3 points, possibly 7

3. Multiple players jump offsides on the punt - 7 points

4. DPJ drops TD at end of first half - 4 points

Second half: 

1. McGrone hits Fields 4 yards out of bounds (would have been 3rd and 9 with decent chance to force field goal) - possible 4 points

2. Eubanks drops 20 yard sideline throw on UM's first drive (Patterson sacked on next play) - possible 3 points by getting in FG range

3. Sainristil gets spastic and can't down the ball inside the 5. 

4. Down 42-16, here's the next two series: DPJ drop, DPJ drop (first down), Patterson misfire, OSU muffs punt, Sainristil drop (first down), Charbonnet falls down, Collins drop (first down), FG....anybody else feel like the offense had quit at this point?? - not sure how many points it could have cost us, but it was rather embarrassing to watch

5. Haskins doesn't follow lead blocker on 4th and 1 (big play, possible TD depending on how the single high safety would have reacted if Haskins had read the play correctly) - a chance to extend the game ended

6. No other mistakes past this really mattered

Honorable mention: untying Dobbins shoe for yard penalty (why??), Khaleke and Ambry running into each other on 2nd and 18 giving Wilson 40 some yards (and why were we blitzing on 2nd and 18??)

Sorry if this should have been a diary.  I get it, OSU is more talented and has better players at most every position.  But Michigan is undisciplined in so many ways and lacks fundamental execution to compete in high stakes games. The mistakes I outlined cost Michigan upwards of 20 points.  I understand you can't retroactively change anything, but Michigan is ahead 24-21 at the half if they erase the dumb mistakes in the first half.

I'll always be a fan, but for once I'd like to see Michigan play a clean game against a top-tier opponent and lose because the other team just played better.  Go Blue!!

 

 

Durham Blue

December 1st, 2019 at 11:12 AM ^

The number one reason we lost is because our D line did not match up well with their O line.  Same fucking thing that happened at Wisconsin.  They ran over us and pushed our D line out of the way.  Fields was sacked once but otherwise was pressured very little.  And, like last season, our secondary busted coverage and/or could not match the speed of the OSU receivers.  We were counting on Fields missing on most of his deep shots.  Unfortunately he hit most of them, as he's done all year.

The two games where the opposing OL overmatched our DL were the two games we were blown out.  It's a major obstacle for Michigan to overcome if it wants to join the B1G elite club with OSU.

Gucci Mane

December 1st, 2019 at 11:23 AM ^

There is a lot of factors in why OSU has been so much better the last 15 years. But better players is far and away the main reason. People Point to all these mistakes and act like other teams don’t make mistakes. The OSU muff punt and dobbins dropping the ball on one of his first carries were both giant blunders. But it doesn’t cost them since they are much better.  

Jimmyisgod

December 1st, 2019 at 10:59 AM ^

We made more mistakes than they did, but they made mistakes that led to loss of points or points off us too. Their best deep receiver let a perfect ball bounce off his face mask that led to a punt when points would have resulted. They had P/Fs that keep our drives going more than once. They fumbled a punt. Fields started the game spotty at best and missed some guys. 
 

It goes both ways, if they had played perfect they could have won by 45, if we had played perfect we could have lost by 4 or 7 IMO. 

WolverineMan1988

December 1st, 2019 at 11:06 AM ^

I completely agree with you that they made mistakes as well (Olave dropped pass off the helmet being the one that most directly led to loss of points).

It just seems that they made far fewer and less critical ones than we did. Their margin for error is undoubtedly greater than ours, but there were many, many plays that could have helped keep or regain momentum for Michigan and keep it a one-score game for much longer than it was.

 

freelion

December 1st, 2019 at 10:59 AM ^

Totally agree with this. These mistakes pretty much add up to the margin of victory or at least make it a close game in the 4th quarter and maybe OSU tightens up or we don't quit which obviously happened. The mistakes are the difference and the talent gap is an excuse.

BoMo

December 1st, 2019 at 11:00 AM ^

I'm not sure we make more mistakes than your typical upper-tier college football team--we certainly don't make less.  What unfortunately impressed me yesterday and all year (outside of their PSU game) was that OSU did not make any that stood out to me.  Their relatively mistake-free play is what I think is uncommon in collegiate football today.

victors2000

December 1st, 2019 at 11:03 AM ^

Something that hasn't been brought up was when the Buckeyes used up the whole playclock and nothing was called. That very play went for boo-koo yards down to our 4 yard line or so. The Buckeyes scored shortly after that. I think that was their second score. Who knows what would have happened had that penalty been called.

Durham Blue

December 1st, 2019 at 11:03 AM ^

Nordin's miss was frustrating but we still did what we wanted to do and that was get to the end zone on our opening drive.

Patterson's fumble was big but we were moving the ball well and the game was still very winnable.

The offsides on Hudson was the miscue of the game because OSU was starting to take control.  A punt there would've really helped to stop that momentum.  I think this one deflated the defense and everything snowballed from there.

28-16 at the half was OK.  But once we went down three scores in the 3rd quarter we started forcing things and the mistakes continued.  It would've taken a miracle to climb back into it because the D couldn't stop them.

WolverineMan1988

December 1st, 2019 at 11:14 AM ^

I'll have to respectfully disagree with you on this one.  

Getting down by 2 scores in the first half was a big deal.  You already have to play a near perfect game to beat OSU and being down 2 scores at the half when they get the ball first was not good at all because you have effectively erased any of your margin for error. 

Imagine being down 21-20 at the half.  An opening drive TD by OSU doesn't feel like a back breaker and the team would still be engaged.  Sadly, the whole team seemed to lose interest once we were down 35-16 because in the back of their minds, they knew they stood no chance of overcoming that kind of deficit against OSU.

 

sharkey

December 1st, 2019 at 11:05 AM ^

I'll add that on both of Patterson's runs before the fumbled snap, I thought he could have cut it up inside instead of running straight to the sideline. He doesn't seem to have a killer instinct in those moments.

gremlin3

December 1st, 2019 at 11:10 AM ^

Guys are highly rated not just because they can run a 4.4 or bench 450.  They're highly rated because they're good at playing football.  Part of that is making fewer mistakes and more plays.

OSU has 60 4- and 5-star players on its roster.  We have 40.  All else equal, you can expect them to make more plays and fewer mistakes on an annual basis until the talent is equated.

Until either the NCAA actually takes action to stop recruiting violations (LOL, good one) or we decide "if you can't beat 'em, join 'em," that won't happen.

Other teams have caught the Buckeyes looking past them and not getting nearly their best effort, but we all know that sure as shit ain't happening in The Game.

UMxWolverines

December 1st, 2019 at 11:18 AM ^

Yeah, but you're discrediting what playing mistake free football can do. It's what Dantonio's teams used to do before they went to shit and it's a big reason why they were able to take down much more talented OSU teams. And no, it wasn't OSU overlooking them. Twice OSU played MSU for the Big Ten title and possibly national title and lost. 

Durham Blue

December 1st, 2019 at 11:27 AM ^

We need to recruit bigger, stronger and more athletic D linemen.  I can't explain 2015 other than the guys were young.  But the 2016 and 2017 teams had a bunch of experienced, big, strong and talented D linemen and we were within whispers of beating OSU.  I don't think it's a coincidence.

Muttley

December 1st, 2019 at 2:17 PM ^

Joe Bolden & Desmond Morgan had no chance of stopping JT Barrett & Ezekiel Elliott.  OSU ran for ~380.  That was a talent gap identified by Urban and exploited mercilessly.  And our D coordinary was interviewing for the Maryland head coaching job.

EDIT: That was a typo.  It should read D-Coronary ;)

taistreetsmyhero

December 1st, 2019 at 11:11 AM ^

This is why I’d be very open to going after a coach like Matt Rhule. We need to bring a Big 12 mentality to this game. Our defense is always going to have a weakness relative to OSU and they will always have the players to ruthlessly exploit it.

But this game gives me hope that a modern offense can score at will against a defense with 5*s at every position. If we get a coach with a gunslinger mentality, I see no reason why we can’t put way more than 27 or 35 points up against OSU.

And once we’ve got them in an actual shoot out, maybe we’ll finally see them make some soul-crushing mistakes. 

WolverineMan1988

December 1st, 2019 at 11:20 AM ^

I'm not sure about this one.  Until 2 years ago, it didn't seem like our defense had some gaping deficiency that OSU could ruthlessly exploit.  We were injured in the middle of our defense in 2015 which OSU did exploit.

DL recruiting hasn't gone the way Michigan would have hoped in the last 3 years and that seems to be one of the primary reasons we have given up 62 and 56 points. That timeline also coincides with Day coming to OSU.  His ability to call plays and structure an offense is also a difference maker.

BlueMk1690

December 1st, 2019 at 11:16 AM ^

Mental errors also killed the Wisconsin game in many ways. In reality this team was a frustratingly inconsistent edition which kept it from being more than a 9 win OK team. The transition on offense likely hurt a lot on that front, but one also can't help but notice a lack of seasoned playmakers on D stepping up. I think Brown did perhaps as much as you could with this crop.

Now with that being said, all the structural advantages of OSU still do apply, and it's fair to talk about that, too.

Coldwater

December 1st, 2019 at 11:19 AM ^

Real reason is they have 5 star 300lb. Plus offensive linemen ragdolling our 3 star 270lb defensive lineman.   Then 5 Star Dobbins 4.4 forty speed outrunning our 4.6 forty guys.  The math adds up.  Add in their obsessive culture of dominating Michigan, and you have the result you saw yesterday.    We needed mistake free football.     We were not even remotely close in that department.