Rumors about Urban Meyer possibly to msu

Submitted by crg on October 3rd, 2023 at 8:17 PM

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BoFan

October 3rd, 2023 at 11:27 PM ^

I’m skeptical, since its a step down. 
 

But Meyer is driven by ego and he would do it just to try and prove he is the greatest college coach, better than Saban, Harbaugh, and Day.  How would he think he can do that?

Saban couldn’t win at MSU, only at Alabama

He will want to beat Harbaugh head to head because Harbaugh is getting all the attention now. 

He won’t mind putting Day in his place. 

So for that reason, plus putting Jacksonville behind him and money, I can see his ego going there.  MSU is the only place he can show up Saban, Harbaugh, and Day. 

Can he win there.  Probably.  He won at all his college stops including Utah. 

CityOfKlompton

October 4th, 2023 at 12:08 AM ^

Obvious caveat but this is the internet, so I must be clear: I do not think Urban to MSU will happen.

If Urban really wants to get back into the game, a program like MSU is where he will land. As accomplished as Urban as been in college football, he still has a huge cloud on his reputation. No Blueblood is hiring this guy (yet), and if he truly wants to coach again, he's going to have to walk the sidelines at a non-blueblood P5 program for a minute. A major-conference school with a large fanbase that is desperate to prove they are better than an in-state rival who is the more traditional power program is the most likely landing spot for Urban if he ever gets back on the sidelines again. Think a place like Auburn, Texas A&M, South Carolina, MSU, etc. Urban has too much pride to go to a G5, and bluebloods have too much pride to hire a stained legend like Urban (at this point.)

Again, while I don't think there is any smoke to this "report," MSU would be among a few perfect candidates if Urban wants to get back into coaching. 

For the extra thick, a third time I don't think this is anywhere near happening.

Buy Bushwood

October 4th, 2023 at 4:40 AM ^

"no blueblood is hiring" Urban?  Du Fa?   You can't be serious.  Urban left OSU by choice.  They wouldn't have fired him.  Since that time he crashed in the pros (join the club), continued to prove he's a horrible person (nothing new there), and is on film with his finger up some young hussy's can (so what, these days everyone has sex tape out there).  Lots of desperate blue-bloods would hire him.  You don't think A & M would hire him?  I bet FL would hire him back. Now, maybe he'd go to MSU because of the check they'd be willing to write.  But it's not because he couldn't have another job.  If he waits until this Dec., he could probably go back to OSU.  

Bluesince89

October 4th, 2023 at 9:50 AM ^

Who is a Blue Blood in your eyes? Michigan, OSU, ND, PSU, USC, Texas, Alabama, and ?

I think Texas would shitcan Sark in a heartbeat if Urban was available and willing.

How much longer can Saban coach for? He's turning 72 this year. 

How long will LSU let the Cajun Kelly experiment run for? 

Does PSU ever part ways with Franklin if they don't get over the hump this year? 

 

Booted Blue in PA

October 4th, 2023 at 8:49 AM ^

Has he ever taken over an absolute dumpster fire?   osu was in a lul, but Luke took the "let it cool down" year.   Now with the transfer portal the way it is he can build a roster pretty quickly, rather than a few recruiting cycles.....  But now that NIL is a real thing, he no longer has the payroll advantage like he's used to.

When all teams had the same salary cap, he didn't fare so well, right Jacksonville?

His ego might be nudging him toward something like this, especially after getting humiliated in leaving ohio and then even more humiliated by getting fired in Jax..... but I think this is a reach.  

does the msu board of trustees really have the appetite to rally up another $90 to $100 million, which is what it would take to even get this conversation started?

Watching From Afar

October 4th, 2023 at 9:05 AM ^

Think a place like Auburn

Proof point. They already hired a massive skeezball in Freeze.

Kendall Briles is employed and OU brought Art around the program for absolutely no reason.

DJ Durkin and Petrino are at A&M.

Point being, programs will look past a lot to hire someone who can help them win. It's just funny to me how absolutely incensed MSU fans where were people started to look at Izzo and Dantonio a little sideways when all of the stories came out about Appling, Payne Walton, Winston, Robertson, etc but now? Now who gives a shit?

Also, the best part about this - Meyer is going to say no so MSU fans are outing themselves for literally no reason. They could all stand up and say, "no, we have standards" and it would be playing with house money. Instead, they look like idiots when it was never going to happen.

bluewave720

October 4th, 2023 at 5:47 PM ^

Great points. 
 

Agree he will wander in the woods for a bit if he does come back, but I don’t think he would want to coach in the Big 10 so soon if it’s not at OSU. Everyone will want to dunk on him and I think he knows that. 
I think his ego would actually prevent him from going up against Harbaugh again at a non-blue blood. Michigan is rolling right now and I don’t think he’d want to be a punchline. 
 

Edit: I also think MSU ends up with a different coach, but I bet they would be 100% interested in him if the interest was reciprocated.  They’ve demonstrated over and over again they have no fucks to give about optics  

 

LSA91

October 4th, 2023 at 9:47 AM ^

Came here to say the same thing.

On the one hand, winning even the Big 10 at MSU would be the ultimate flex for Meyer to show off, and if they really have a big enough money cannon to fire NIL at recruits, transfers, and coaching staff, maybe it's not literally impossible. And Meyer would bring a recruiting bump that I don't think many other people could match.

On the other hand, it's *nearly* impossible, or at least really unlikely, and I have a hard time believing that even Meyer thinks he could pull it off, or that he wants to spend several years in East Lansing.

michchip

October 3rd, 2023 at 8:19 PM ^

Wonder what this move would look like to a judge/the Tucker lawsuit. Fire a coach for his misconduct, hire another who has history of it. 

Streetchemist

October 3rd, 2023 at 8:20 PM ^

Would be an absolute nightmare for Michigan. 
 

edit - I meant for recruiting. Michigan is already recruiting below where they should be. Adding a guy like Meyer into the Midwest would IMO be very bad for Michigan. 

J. Redux

October 3rd, 2023 at 8:28 PM ^

Because...?

Urban Meyer at a mid-major like MSU is merely a gnat.  At OSU or Florida, where he could recruit a steady stream of 5* prospects, he did well. MSU is not that.

Anyway, Meyer had enough problems with professionals at Jacksonville that it's hard to believe he'd survive in an NIL / transfer portal environment. He needs the power to crush kids' dreams to be successful.

Cromulent

October 3rd, 2023 at 8:47 PM ^

There is certainly a good number of arguments against Meyer's suitability in EL, especially in today's game. But Urban is a *gnat* at a mid-major? You forget how Meyer started out. It took him 2 years to make Bowling Green the dominant MAC power. It took him 2 years to take the Utes from in-state red headed stepchild to a level of prominence that it's never really given up since. Ask the folks in Provo if they'd like their in-state throne back. 

J. Redux

October 3rd, 2023 at 9:01 PM ^

As the "dominant MAC power," in 2002, they went 6-2 in conference, 9-3 overall, finished 3rd in the East, and didn't get a bowl invite.

In 2004, his undefeated season at Utah, they did beat a small number of Power 5 programs -- A&M, @Arizona, and North Carolina -- but their only ranked opponent was their Fiesta Bowl victory over "Big East" "champion" #19 Pittsburgh, who went into the game 8-3 after losing to Nebraska, at Connecticut (!), and at Syracuse.  Pitt did win a "rivalry" (Wikipedia's word) game at Notre Dame during the 6-6 season that got Ty Willingham fired.

In other words -- a gnat.

Cromulent

October 3rd, 2023 at 9:54 PM ^

End of 2002 the Massey ratings have BG, less than 0.2 pts/game behind leader Toledo. Ok, not dominant. But he improved their national rank by 50 spots.

End of 2004 the Utes were ranked #4 in the country in the Massey ratings. Only in your fevered delusions is that "gnat".

"Small number of Power 5 programs"? Like, in an 11 game schedule they had only 4 non-cons and 3 of them were P5. The 4th was in-state rival Utah St. What else were they supposed to do? They didn't just beat all 3, the Utes beat them by a combined 67 points with the closest a 17 point win.

And fine if you don't like Pittsburgh - the Utes beat them by 28. 4-0 against P5 by a combined 95 points. Name me another "gnat" that does that.

 

 

J. Redux

October 3rd, 2023 at 10:10 PM ^

Not even Nick Saban could win at MSU.

I refuse to buy into this weird, Little Brother defeatist talk. "Oh no, what if MSU gets Urban Meyer."  Then Michigan will stomp MSU with Urban Meyer.  Keep in mind, Michigan played OSU even in 2016 and 2017 during peak Meyermania... and Michigan has improved markedly since then.

Anyway, I will grant that 2004 was a very good season; he did a great job turning Alex Smith into an NFL quarterback.  I'm not sure that spread-to-run is still the way to win in college, but I am sure that without the QB, Urban has nothing.  And I'm not convinced he can get a top QB to come to East Lansing.

Cromulent

October 3rd, 2023 at 10:23 PM ^

There are plenty of legit doubts about Meyer's ability to succeed at MSU. I'm not discounting it. I think you are missing a bunch of potential problems Meyer might have in EL.

But the notion the only reason Meyer won at Florida/OSU is because *there* he had a string of 5*s is legit brain dead. He had no 5*s at BG or Utah. The only 2 pros he had at Utah were Smith & Eric Weddle. And without 5*s he put up the very not-gnat-like #4 team in the country. He's *capable* of winning anywhere because he has proven to be an elite coach.

Hail-Storm

October 4th, 2023 at 10:02 AM ^

I can see why he is a good coach. On a couple of the game day stuff, I've seen him explain a football concept.  Him explaining how the RPO came about and how it worked was great.  He knows his stuff, and is able to take complex football things and break them to explain them.  They do a great job here explaining complex stuff for the masses, but sometimes I get lost in the complexity of it all. 

mgowild

October 4th, 2023 at 9:01 AM ^

"I refuse to buy into this weird, Little Brother defeatist talk. "Oh no, what if MSU gets Urban Meyer." Then Michigan will stomp MSU with Urban Meyer"

Mel Tucker went 2-1 vs Michigan... Harbaugh is 4-4 vs MSU. Urban would be a big improvement over Dantonio/Tucker. Let's not pretend like A) we've been dominating the rivalry and B) this wouldn't be a big hire.

That being said, I don't think Urban to MSU is actually going to happen.
 

MIMark

October 3rd, 2023 at 10:40 PM ^

Bowling Green in 2000 under prior coach - 2-9. First FBS team to lose to Buffalo.

2001 under Meyer - 8-3. Wins over Mizzou (Big 12), Temple (Big East), and Northwestern (Big 10). That team was the first mid major team, and still to this day only MAC team, ever to knock off 3 major conference teams.

2002 under Meyer - 8-3. Beat Mizzou and Kansas, two more major programs down. And didn't just beat them, destroyed them both. Hit 8-0, ranked #20 nationally. Only lost late games when some injuries hit.

He did a ton in no time. He turned that program from legitimately the worst program in the country to the #20 team in the country in two years. That is far from gnat.

I get you're trying to downplay him. Do that at your own risk. I've got no interest in Urban Meyer taking over another Michigan rival. 0-7 is too recent and too painful to try that again.

1408

October 4th, 2023 at 1:09 AM ^

I say this as an avowed Michigan fan and proud alum:

Urban Meyer is a top 6 or 7 college football coach all-time and his going to MSU is not a good scenario for Michigan. Anyone saying otherwise on here is delusional. Likely the same cadre of buffoons calling for Harbaugh to be fired after the pretend 2020 season. 
 

Do I think Meyer goes to MSU? No. Do I think the “discovery” risks prevent it? Lol no. Do I think it would be bad for us if he did? Certainly.