to play football, not to play trumpet
rich rod comments at bust!
is coming in a big way
Dude, that's disgusting.
this dee hart thing has me frustrated
to be prepared for his decommittment.
Where do you get off saying something like that?
I wonder what the general is feeling is like around there. I mean we hear about all of the former players and the alumni that want him gone. I guess I wish I could be a fly on the wall and really see how people socialize with him and how he is treated.
If only someone could spend a day in Schembechler Hall...perspectives would be changed lol
See, that's another reason I I am in RRs corner. His players seem to have a lot of faith in him. If they didn't they would have mailed it in. They have NEVER mailed it in. Never. If the players love you and they believe in you that team will succeed. It is happening at ISU. Yes, in at a smaller level than what we would like, but also with much less talent. That team believes in it's coach and wants to win for it's coach and they have done it against teams they shouldn't. I believe this Michigan team is just like that and it seems the ones who aren't on board don't play or leave.
Looks like Mallett, Boren and others have essentially mailed it in. Basically we have no defense because all that's left are the players who haven't mailed it in and basically don't have much of an option to transfer. Not sure how much love they have given the whole fiasco with the NCAA policy violations (those were coming from players).
Mallet left because it was obvious there were many better options for him. There was no fault in either party. It was just something that should have happened. Same with Threet. There are differing opinions on why Boren left. None of which really matter.
Now to your point on defense. It's ridiculous. Let's look at lost players:
Warren-Was poorly advised and went pro
Turner- Evidently not a huge stud based on the fact he has transferred again. This was more Turner than RR.
Cissoko-You can't keep them all in line
Emilien-Was getting beat out at his position and decided COlordao was a better option. OK
Outside of injuries, where are the guys LC should have brought in? I see one in Warren and he went pro. The rest is of the secondary consists of one 5 year position diversification guru, a former walk on and a bunch 1st and 2nd year kids. Int erms of the front 7, outside of Martin, Van Bergen and Mouton, who have been developed under RR, there isn't much there. We have a true freshman getting significant playing time at DE on a 3 man line. Do you know how rare that is? Where are the 3rd, 4th and 5th year bodies?
That will get you jacked up.
Yeah, I play Josh Groban all the time on my ipod at the gym
any way you can give any more info on this? What were the words directly before and after this? context will help a lot.
RR and his comments, the more I like the guy. I have never met the man. I trust DB and pray that God gives him the guideance and wisdom.
You have got to be kidding! He cried, he begged for his job, he had the crowd raise their hands and sing Josh Groban.
Yeah, he's a real inspiration.
It's obvious that RichRod is a clown, a clown that is in WAY over his head...the only question is whether David Brandon is in the same situation.
Who would have thought that Dee Hart decommitting wouldn't be the worst news of the day?
Big Ten title and Big Ten Coach of the Year. Also Scout.com's National Coach of the Year, with more to follow.
Are you really telling me you're happy with that speech? Do you guys always sing songs at the football banquet? You aren't worried that Brandon is crapping the bed? (See Beilein extension)
He should be the Big Ten's luckiest coach of the year, with the pure luck wins over 3 teams that gave you the game..
What will there be to praise when u only win 7 or 8 next year
Blah, blah, blah. Rabble, rabble, rabble. Spewing worthless drivel, spewing worthless drivel, spewing worthless drivel.
Why are people like this not banned? Freedom of speech is overrated. At least without it you wouldn't have to hear dumb shit all the time.
Thank you B10 or Bust. Were you there? This is going to hit YouTube (I haven't yet checked this morning) and is going to be embarrassing. Ugh.
Why the hell do they call it a "bust"? Someone enlighten me.
they thought justin turner was coming
at these events as well. Another trait of a Michigan man or just a coach who cares?
Think of the hours Rich Rod works. Think of all the emotion he puts into getting things right with the team. He's passionate about the team and when you go through all the negativity he's gone thru at times, it only makes sense that he's so emotional. Like the guy or not, the certainly didn't picture things working out this way, and the negativity has taken its toll. Nobody wants to turn things around more than Coach Rod
I think that what DB is putting him and the program through right now is wrong. He should make a decision and either fire him or stand by him.
Bo never begged for his job.
"My name is Rich Rodriguez, I'm honored to be the head coach at U-M. I hope you all realize I truly want to be a Michigan Man."
"Our time is coming, and it's coming in a big way. We'll let people jump on the bandwagon, but they may not get a front seat."
Best comment of the night! Made me lol. Thanks for that.
Blitz! No Rosa Parks!
Edit: Too soon?
and one day when the detroit media has to explain all the BS they've put this program through...they're riding bitch
I like that you have 68 points so far from saying Shotgun. Pure brilliance.
I plan on beating all the sorry-assed, miserable, low-life sob's that I know over the head with "the bandwagon is full".
Edit: thanks for the shotgun comment! I needed a laugh.
After I read this I pictured Mike Martin getting so fired up he punched a hole through his table while giving the stink eye to Barwis. This in turn will lead to a cage match at the next UFC fight. Even if this didnt happen im still pretty pumped.
I wonder if he hates being called RichRod or Rod? Anyway I might question his defensive schemes and decision making.. but I can't question the mans character or heart.
Players call him "Coach Rod"
Louis is all in for RR, for Meeeeechigan, and for the Michigan Locomotive!! M-I-C-H-I-G-A-N!!!!!!
I'm not sure what to think of that statement ,with that said, I think as much of this coach as any that we have had.
I will follow this coach into the depths of hell....god bless my friend.
...he must read the Mgoboardz.....
"Our time is coming, and it's coming in a big way. We'll let people jump on the bandwagon. They may not get a front seat."
I truly hope he hasn't had time to read for the last couple of weeks.
You are probably right. GERG catches him up on MGoboard.
Well damn RR, please call Dee tomorrow and get him back on board.
I suppose the one fact we're overlooking here is that D. Hart's verbal to Alabama is equally as equivocal as his verbal to Michigan. RR has a month to work the snake oil, with vote of confidence (and MGOBOWLWIN?) in hand.
Followed along on Twitter and MVictors live blog. One quote I loved. "We got into coaching to makes difference in young men's lives" People forget this is what really matters.
All you 7-5 haterz need to understand that he might be building more than just wins. Which at the end of the day really matters.
I wish more people would realize that coaching football at any level is more than just wins and losses. It's about building relationships, being a positive influence for the player's, strong work ethic and a lot more. I am all in for RR. He gives his heart and soul to these young men and this team. The record might not show it but im confident that RR is the right man for the job.
YEAH! I'm all fired the hell up now!
I'm all jacked up on Mountain Dew!
Just ask the Mealer's if he is doing more than winning games.
Most sobering and truest statement of the day.
This is exactly what I said a couple of days ago.. We have to think about those young men whose lives will change dramatically if he is replaced.
Who else here thinks that DB is maybe delaying the process to make people think he's mulling things over more than he really is?
where is the logic in that? legit question, not being a jerk.
Totally understandable. I was just thinking that if after the way the season ended DB goes and supports RR immediately, it would just rile up the RR haters even more. If, for example, DB does retain RR after Jan 1, it would possibly show the RR haters that he at least looked out there, and that maybe Harbaugh did not accept the offer, etc.
The logic isn't great, I was just thinking that if DB were to retain RR, why would he allow all the negativity to surround the program? Not saying that's true, just a "what if".
why would he allow all the negativity to surround the program?
I have said that I could give a shit who the coach is as long as he plays by the rules and wins, but I root for Rod more and more each day.
is very vague.
RR is a Michigan Man despite whatever Rosenberg and his ilk have to say about it.
OF COURSE he is... and this is where the ball was dropped, when hired. They didn't stress enough that Rod was from Nehlen was from Schembechler.
Yes - they needed the Chief Marketing Officer back then to help position the transition.
He doesn't have to want to be a Michigan Man, he already is one as far as I'm concerned. The term came into being after Frieder was fired; Steve Fisher did not go to Michigan, but he gave his all for Michigan and he took home the chapionship. Being a Michigan Man means being fully devoted to the program and its success. Rich Rodgriguez has been working as hard as he can for this school, he's represented the school and the program as well as possible considering all the crap he's been given since he's been here, the players that love Michigan are still here and great representatives of the University, and Rich Rodriguez and his players are all Michigan Men.
Bill Frieder is a UM alum, so being a 'Michigan man' isn't just about being a graduate, it's more than that...it's about being 'all in' for Michigan.
You know, I've never been particularly fond for the phrase "All in for Michigan", I'd thought that the insinuation was that if you weren't completely happy with the program, you weren't a real part of it. I no longer think that's the case. I think the nepotists who want Harbaugh to come in because he's a Michigan Man (and don't get me wrong, Jim Harbaugh is a phenomenal coach, I just don't think the sole basis for hiring a coach should be his alma mater) should leave.
Welcome, everyone. I'm your dam tour guide, Arnie. I'm about to take you through a fully functional power plant. So, please, no one wander off the dam tour, and feel free to take all the dam pictures you want. Now, are there any dam questions?
It would be a real shame if he gets fired.
It sure as hell will be. I'll be very sad. And then, I will root like hell for whoever the next coach is.
thought he represented the team well. What do I know though...Im no AD and my names not Dave Brandon. I think he should get another year and it should be decided quickly. FWIW
I love Rich Rod, I love this team, and I love Michigan, and I can't tell you how much I want all three of those things to succeed. I've never seen a coach (or a team) put up with so much unnecessary bullshit. Right now I just can't wait for the bowl game so they can all enjoy some much deserved success.
I have no problem with the pro-Harbaugh crowd, but the problem with some of those people on this site is they don't realize that some of their comments make them anti-UM.
There were two old guard UM alums at the bar last weekend. They were cheering for RR to be fired BEFORE the game even started. WTF is that!! Obviously RR would've received DB's vote of confidence if they won last weekend so by default they were hoping for a loss. These "fans" and alums aren't REAL WOLVERINES! Ugh!
Rooting one way or another since at this point i am confused and can rattle off a lot off good reasons to keep RR and a lot of good reasons to bring in Harbaugh. But isn't it pretty obvious that DB wants Harbaugh? It doesn't make any sense not to say RR is staying if he wants him to stay. Either he wants Harbaugh but doesn't know if he can get him or he knows Harbaugh is coming but they didn't want to blow things up before Stanford's first big bowl in over a decade.
I don't agree with that last sentence. I sure hope DB is more worried about Michigan than Stanford. I don't think that someone like DB, as Michigan's Athletic Director, would put the athletic department's golden goose in jeopardy so that Stanford's bowl game is more meaninful.
But Brandon also has an incentive to wait until January - RR's buyout goes down by $1.5 million. And he gives RR the chance to coach the bowl.
I will bet you the $1.5 million that RR will not be paid any buyout.
I don't know why you're getting negged here. Wouldn't the probation be grounds for termination, or is it not serious enough?
Brandon has already said Rich Rod's role in the probation was not a fireable offense. For UM to claim that Rich Rod voided his contract, and they had cause to terminate it without the stipulated buyout, they would have had to already fire him.
The reason DB is waiting until after the season is not because he has any intention of trying to pay less $$ in a buyout.
To say that DB would have already HAD to fire RR when the NCAA made their ruling is totally incorrect. You think he is going to give him the hook mid-season?? RR role in the first ever NCAA violation of MICHIGAN FB, is a major consideration in DB's evaluation.
I respect your view. I am not saying he is or is not waiting for the buyout. But, if he is, DB should be fired. I know $1.5mm is alot of money, but to lose a whole recruiting class for that seems very silly to me. If we get a really good recruiting class, that can be made up easily. This is just my opinion. If anyone knows more about the AD's finances, please feel free to correct me.
BTW - I didn't neg you, would never neg someone over their views
Or you are a complete fool for believing ever since day 1 of the media talking about Harbaugh could go to michigan...
Brandon has probably already told RR what is going on, he just doesn't want to explode all over the media and create another joke like the whole Harbaugh bs already is..
DB is not the one who is controlling the timetable here. Don't expect an announcement the minute after UM's bowl game is complete. If a new coach is being hired you will have to wait a little longer.
Actually, I think that he likes RR and the direction that he has the program going. If they win the bowl and are 8-5, I don't see how he could fire him. It would really be a shame if Rich Rod doesn't get a chance to coach HIS team in year 4.
Actually, I think that he likes RR and the direction that he has the program going.
But if that's the case, why not announce right now that he's returning for next season, instead of making everyone wait a month?
Brandon said he will evaluate the program after the season is over. We are going to a bowl game, thus the season won't end until after the bowl game. I don't understand what's so complicated about that. It's not like Brandon himself hasn't said it a thousand times to a thousand people. He has a process to evaluate and he will stick to that process. Does it suck? Maybe. Might we lose some recruits? Maybe. Do I trust him to do what is in the best interest of Michigan? Totally. Am I going to end my post? Yes
I think most understand that but we don't agree that it's the best way to go about this. You think right now is something? Wait a couple weeks. I won't bet on this, but if I did, I would be inclined to bet that we will know something and have a very good idea where this thing is going before the bowl game. If Dee actually does leave and if there are any more guys leaving I think he will be forced to movequicker than he wants. This class is very important. Could Harbaugh patch it up? Sure, but not fully in less than a month.
I don't mean to be dickish, but what's the better way? He's said all along that this is the way he does things. His track record has been unblemished in his current role to date, so I give him the benefit of the doubt. Maybe he has his mind made up (plausible, right?), but has considered all the different options (status quo, extend RR's contract, fire RR immediately) and found that this way has the lesser of all evils. I'm sure he's considered what RR's ass flapping in the wind for a month will do to recruiting and rumor-mongoring (it's what the internets are for), etc.
I guess I share Brian's take on all of this. I no longer even care about my opinion on the coaching masturbatory craptacular, much less yours...unless you are David Brandon.
That bowl game is more a convenient excuse to let Harbaugh handle his important business with Stanford, than an evaluation of Rich Rodriguez.
Rich will probably come back if an agreement can't be reached with Harbaugh though. That is why it is shrewd of Brandon to say basically nothing for the next few weeks.
I like the way DB is playing his hand.
Those recruits that are sold on THE UNIVERSITY of MICHIGAN will stay.
All I can say is that DB has a tough decision. I like RR a lot, I just wish Harbaugh wasn't out there, making the decision so tough. I'm glad DB is making the decision and not me.
I agree. I wish Harbaugh had taken an NFL job last year or wasn't even a coach so we didn't talk about this. It was just, "yeah, we wish we would have won more, but we have a ton of starters returning and next year looks really bright." That's what everyone would be saying right now. Unfortunately, sometimes having choices is a bad thing.
The other way to look at it is choices are a great thing. They tend to exist and look better when the present situation isn't looking as good. That's life.
People shouldn't kid themselves. Harbaugh is more the cure than the cause. The cause is overall backwards movement in games that count.
Rich is a great guy though. No doubt about that.
I hate that I have to keep posbanging your posts, because I don't agree with you, but I also don't think you should be negged for stating your opinion. This probably wasn't the best thread for it, though.
DB needs to support RR because we maybe losing recruits damit....Ive seen this story before with the UCLA and now Notre Dame too many coaching changes could be bad for the program especially when the light is right around the corner
You give RR two more years for sure, to be able to see how he does with "his guys" as Seniors. When you've see that, you've seen everything you need to see. Until then . . .
With Harbaugh out there, it changes the game. I get the vibe that DB already has Harbaugh lined up and RR is out.
I'm torn, if we boot RR now we can never really say we gave his program a full hearing. It's not just an excuse, the team really is young and inexperienced. But if it doesn't work out with RR, we may regret that we did not get Harbaugh when he was ours for the taking.
This is a lot different than 2007. There are only 2 scenarios, RR or JH, and we'll know in a few weeks. Either way, the program should be fine.
Vince Lombardi. How many lifetime wins does he have as a coach?
If someone can make Stanford an 11-1 team, (turning it around from a 2-win-team the season before he got there) have Heisman finalists 2 years running, train up the likely #1 NFL draft pick, and recruit ridiculously at STANFORD... and also likely have it playing in the Rose Bowl...
You can't dismiss the record, even if (like me) you think RR deserves another year.
coach rod did all that at wvu with lesser talent... He turned wvu around, he had heisman trophy canidates 4 yrs running and had two teams in bcs bowl games that won against sec and big 12 powers.. Now you can't dismiss that record
With much easier admission requirements and much less competetition. I'm on the RR side, but what Harbaugh has done is extraordinary.
You're crazy... you do realize miami, virginia tech, boston college, were part of the big east while rrod was part of the big east before the acc snatched them.. those miami teams were pretty damn good playing for national championships and coach rod wvu teams would battle them with inferior talent.. If we really want to be serious how strong would you say the pac 10 has been the past two years.. usc the past two years have been very weak and we all saw what happen when stanford played a ranked team this year they got owned.. please name another good team in the pac 10 beside the ducks.. ucla, wash st, wash, arizona, arizona st, oregon st, and cal are not that great... the pac 10 is not as great as many are making it out to be i wouldnt call it extaordinary what harbaugh is doing when willingham won the pac 10 and went to the rose bowl at stanford
Regardless of your opinions on his coaching ability, everyone must admit that RR is one hell of a man. He has such a great passion for what he does. You can't say he doesn't care about tradition and such when he gives speeches like that.
That sure does rub off on the players too. I wish the bowl game were played tomorrow. Those boys have to be so fired up, they'll run through a brick wall for him right now.
Rich Rodriguez has been fed nothing but a shit sandwich since his arrival in Ann Arbor. Think about what has befallen Coach Rod since December of 2007...
- His couch-burning departure from West Virginia and death threats to his family.
- Instant suspicion from the old guard at Michigan coupled with dissention in the athletic department.
- Fielding a 2008 team devoid of any personnel with which to run even a rough approximation of his spread offense.
- Being forced to start freshman and sophomore quarterbacks for two consecutive years.
- Triumphing by bringing in a vaunted recruit in the defensive secondary (Demar Dorsey), only to have that fall through followed by Warren's departure, Woolfolk's injury, the Cissoko debacle, Emilien's woes, and countless other issues. Then, he is publicly blamed for not recruiting enough talent in the secondary.
- NCAA sanctions that were completely overblown made even worse by a complete lack of support from the local press.
- Constant rumors about his impending firing and who his successor may or may not be.
Rich Rodriguez is still standing at the end of all that mayhem. His players still believe in him and his system. That, alone, is a testament to his skill as a motivator and his strength as a man. I love Coach Rod and I'm cheering harder for him than any coach in Michigan history.
"Those who stay will be champions", Bo said. Coach Rod has stayed around, bedraggled and bruised but full of resolve. No matter how you feel about Brandon's upcoming decision, you have to respect and admire Coach Rodriguez.
Honestly, even if you don't like Rich, I don't understand how you could not respect him for not only going through all that, but going through that after being on top of the world only weeks before his departure and STILL fighting to become successful here. I definitely know I couldn't take the stress, and I guarantee most would have just givin' up.
I love the comment about him wanting to become a Michigan Man. It means a lot to me, it truly does, more-so than the other one. I see a man trying his hardest, making success through ridiculously tough times and getting no support from the fan base that he truly wants to please and be apart of.
- Being forced to start freshman and sophomore quarterbacks for two consecutive years.
Three consecutive years.
RR hasn't exactly served up the fanbase with tasty treats since his arrival.
That being said, the fact that his players are still fired up to play for him speaks volumes, much more than what comes out of the echo-chamber of the fanbase collectively freaking out over being sub-.500 in the Big Ten and being 0-3 against MSU and OSU since RR came to town.
If DB lets him stay (which I'm rooting for) and he ends up turning the program back to even keel, he'll enter the Michigan pantheon of coaching legends just for the adversity he overcame alone.
RR hasn't exactly served up the fanbase with tasty treats since his arrival.
That's not a very fair assessment of what he's done because it ignores these "tasty treats"
- Upset comeback against Wiscy (regardless of end of the year record, it remains the biggest comeback at the Big House and was thrilling at the time and the argument could be made that it derailed Wisconsin's season much like we used to do against MSU)
- Exciting offense and emotional victories
- One of the greatest Michigan offenses ever (the greatest according to yardage)
- B10 OPOY
- Mealer walking
- Destroying UConn in the rededication of Michigan Stadium
- Got our crowd into the games again. We're not just louder because of the renovations, we're actually cheering and not just jingling our keys.
- One of the best GPAs in the football programs history
I have said before that I would rather be a wolverine in defeat than a buckeye in victory. On a similar note, while I would support whomever is the coach at michigan, I can safely say that I would rather root for a RR coached team than a Harbaugh coached team, even if (not that this is the case) they might win one less game here or there.
I agree with you, unless that one game is OSU or MNC.
Look I respect Rich Rod and if he is our coach next year then I hope he does amazing things. But come on, really? You would rather lose a few more games here or there than have Harbaugh? Crazy talk. Don't confuse honor with a loser mentality.
I don't think anyone in Columbus is worrying about moral victories or honor, having smacked us in the mouth for pretty much the entire decade. Let's get back to being winners people!
My name is Rich Rodriguez, I'm honored to be the head coach at U-M. I hope you all realize I truly want to be a Michigan Man.
To those who say he is not already a Michigan man:
At what point does one become a Michigan Man?
- He is the Head Coach of the University of Michigan Football Team, one of the most reveared positions in all of college football.
- He has implemented a completely new offensive scheme in just 3 years (and a dominant one at that).
- He has shown great poise on and off the field.
- He's lead successful fundraisers for many of the charities we've associated with Michigan Football
- He has shown that he cares deeply for his players.
Are those not enough?
If the criteria is more, then none of us, not one of us on this board is a Michigan Man/Woman.
Coach Rich Rodriguez IS a Michigan Man. Period.
RR said when he took the job, and has maintained it since, that he wants to finish his coaching career at Michigan...he's committed. He has that in common with every head football coach WE HAVE EVER HAD AT MICHIGAN. Maybe this point has been missed, but isn't it remarkable that no coach has EVER left Michigan to take a HC job anywhere else? I don't know why this matters to me at the moment, but it can't be said for the other candidates that Michigan considered after Coach Carr retired, nor any of the candidates being mentioned now..does this matter to any of you?
Typical coach speak when taking a new job. He left his "dream job" at WVU. What makes you think he is going to stay here forever?
Pretty sure you just equated the statuses of WVU and U of M. There is no where to go up from coaching at Michigan, especially if we assume he never gets the call to the NFL (not sure he's interested because he seems to thrive on the character development side of coaching)
Maybe that is why some people take AA to mean something other than Ann Arbor.
I was not equating my alma mater to WVU, but bringing up a character issue of RR. Hard for me to believe that RR will not be jumping ship at UM some time in the future when he walked out on his own alma mater, WVU. That was his original dream job.
He will eventually find that there are places other than UM to coach. I would not be surprised if he is not currently looking at other opportunities. Anyone have flight tracker??
That is all.
RR has done nothing but work his ass off, 24/7, to make Michigan football great. I have really tried hard not to attack those who want him fired, because people of good will can disagree. I will say this: to those of you who seriously believe that firing RR will "unite the fanbase": the opposite is true. If RR is fired, we'll have more than jhackney's nuclear bomb videos to contend with.
Well said Commy- I can tell you that if he does get canned I will at least have another team to really cheer for along with the Wolverines.
RR is a Michigan Man in my book. Should he get forced out, I will definitely be pulling for him wherever he lands.
ready for the Warsaw Pact?
one more thing. RR is showing that a lot of these coaches are human beings. I'm trying to learn that these guys have families too. To wish so and so would get fired really isnt helping out those who did not chose this profession. I hope RR succeeds at Michigan and if not, I hope he lands on his feet soon after...just not anywhere that we'll have to face him because that would not be good for us.
I heard Rich Rod sang Josh Groban
The more time that passes without word about a coaching change, the more I want (and think that) Rodriguez will be the head coach next year.
And honestly, after all the shit that has gone on this week, that wouldn't be so bad to me...
Kind of reminds me of a dead man walkin', "Any last words?". Uh, raise me up? I want to be a Michigan man? Please, you know that right?
that has bashed RICH ROD needs to sit back and think.I am one of those people who thinks he should get one more year.But everybody who wants a coaching change needs to think about the players that are going to leave,your big ten player of the year for sure.And also some of your recuirts from this class also.Lets hope Dee Hart stays on board,but if he leaves then there's a saying we all know.But i pray he stays!!!
You think he leaves for sure if RR gets fired? Where would he go? If RR gets fired after Jan 1st, he will most likely not be a BCS head coach next year. With that said, I'd like to know how you know for sure that Denard is gone if RR gets let go.
I love Rich Rodriguez... I truly believe he'll be back next year. I don't know why yo, I just do.
I hope DB is stronger than some of you guys. You can't let emotions cloud your judgement. Sure RR is a nice guy and I like him, but we're talking about the future of the Michigan football program. Hopefully, DB makes the right choice, but he shouldn't be swayed by emotions.
Are what I am afraid of. Just as the emotions would want you to feel sorry for RR, the opposite of that is the JH is a true MICHIGAN MAN RABBLE RABBLE emotion. Let's hope DB has NO emotion. I'll help take the emotion out...... 7-5 with a first year starting QB is pretty damn good.
I for one believe emotions can damage and be overrated. As an AD he needs to do what is best disregarding how he feels, but he must value his coaches having passion/emotion about their team, if your coach is not passionate about his team there are some real problems there!
Even though my first choice would be to see Rodriguez return, I have to agree with you here. If Brandon believes that the best thing for the program is to bring in Harbaugh, I wouldn't want him to change his mind all of a sudden and say, "Shoot, now I feel bad for firing him, so I guess I should give him one more year."
Not trying to sound heartless at all -- like I said, I want to see Rodriguez succeed as much as anybody -- but I also trust Brandon to do what he thinks is best and not make a decision that's strongly influenced by emotion.
I am proud of RR as M's coach. I do believe he cares deeply about the welfare of his players. He works harder than anyone else I'm aware of, in any profession, anywhere. No? And he is humble.
I love this whole thread! I can't remember the last time I read through a whole thread with nothing but positive things said about RR. I'm completely 100% ALL IN for him and this team.
I really can't understand the hatred for this guy ever since he got here. Think about it, he left his alma mater, a place he was worshiped and loved to come here and coach this team. Not for money, but because Michigan is the best football program in the country! It wasn't his fault that he didn't fully research all of our traditions and know everything about UM history right away. The media and hater fans can all go to hell!
Thanks for this. I'm all in for RR, too.
Not a "hater" but would like to know WHERE in your mind have you placed the thoughts of how truly bad our kicking, special teams, and defense, are, and then still find the courage to say what you said.
I was at the "HONOR" game in 2008, when we lost at home in cold, rainy/snowy miserable conditions to NW.
We had such a pathetic O that we could only score TEN points vs. a crappy Toledo team, that gave up 38 the next week at Northern Illinois.
Methinks RichRod decided he had to get a real O, with talent acroos the board. Unfortunately, it meant sacrificing other units.
Whether we get some studs on D and at K, we'll see. But watching Nick Sheridan run and pass us all the way to ONE TD was enough to say that we need to be able to score before we can win any games.
And here I thought kicking was a special teams thing...
I have stated what I think should happen to do the guy, but I still have empathy for what he has gone through. He has gone through alot of crap and undeservedly so.
I do know that no one feels worse than he does for how the team has performed. I know he is working hard to fix it, but I just don't think he can. JMO.
oddly curious of why the JH crowd hasn't joined this thread yet. Usually every thread is littered with trashy comments, emo fans, and anti-thermonuclear comments.
I have been negged bombed because I dare disagree with people who think he should stay. That is pathetic.
If I were calling RR names, it would be understandable. But simple disagreement over the direction of the program should not be cause for negging someone.
I may be wrong, but I don't see one negative name name calling JH post on this thread....yet. By the way, I don't neg, I nuke.
Some people should be negged on sight.
Savior Four..... Haven't you figured it out yet? Negative points are the true status symbol here, of righteousness.
Im not sure what you want them to say? I mean the coach made some emotional comments at the team banquet and people are acting like he just took a bullet for their child. It really has nothing to do with JH.
Don't worry I'm here. See below.
What a relief, instead of jmblue or some intelligent person I disagree with, we get you. You can change your sig to "When -100 mgopoints just isn't enough."
I...I love you guys!
You still can't have my bud light.
But God bless Rich Rodriguez.
And I pray for RR's success. I really want him and the team to succeed, I really do. But this whole situation is becoming untenable. The non-answers from DB, the team's record, the freshmen starters...he might be a great coach, but time has run out for him at UM.
Sorry to be so pessimistic, but when I read the phrase "I really want to be a Michigan Man, I really do" from RR my gut feeling goes Game Over, Man.
Did he really say that he wants to be a Michigan man, or was that just a poor paraphrase? Not that I really believe in the whole "Michigan man" meme, but it seems to me that being a Michigan man is something you are, or are not.
"Do, or do not. There is no try."
He definitely said he "wants" to be a MM. Check out the beginning of the thread.
Hopefully this is a signature moment for Coach Rod, Dave Brandon realizes it and gives him another year tomorrow, and then Dee Hart stays Blue. No matter what, I will always consider Coach Rod a Michigan Man.
I just read my favorite comment from the bust. Jon Bills (the senior who broke his neck in the car accident earlier this year) said this (from the liveblog on MVictors: Bills - Michigan players he hadn't even met yet visited him in the hospital. Said Rich Rod visited him just about EVERY DAY
Brashness has certainly never been something Rodriguez lacks.
As for the big things in store, if we draw Missouri in the bowl game, he could really "show me."
Our time is coming in a "big way". Maybe he means we'll finally only lose to a top Big Ten opponent by 10 points!!! OMG can't wait for next season!!!!! 8-4 with 2 of those losses being AT LEAST SOMEWHAT competitive baby!!!! Michigan football...back on top!!!
I'm glad you have so much time on your hands that you can go to blogs of teams you don't follow and post trash talk. You're soooo cool.
Um, I follow this team. UM senior, which means I've been to every home loss (all 87 of them) since Rich Rod got here, thanks.
Man, your witty take on the state of this team both unique and refreshing.
wait for it...
wait for it...
I wouldn't expect him to change his mind just from tonight's banquet. I'm just pissed that the majority of RR haters don't know who he really is as a person (not saying that I do) and think he is scum of the earth and not a Michigan man. Most people just believe all the negative things they read about him and don't see all of the good things that he does.
I honestly believe that he's gone. I hate like hell to say that, but I don't see any reason for DB to let this string out for a month if he was bringing him back. I think he wants Michigan players to be able to practice and play for they're coach in the bowl game because they deserve that and the same with Stanford's kids.
I'm not a RR "hater". But I am critical of the way he has run things and how the team has performed under him. That being said, I was high on him when he was hired, and do really think he is a good person. I think he is a little over his head (my personal opinion, don't kill me for it). I think you're too quick to just categorize anyone that doesn't think he has done an acceptable job as head football coach into the "think(s) he is scum of the earth and not a Michigan man" crowd. I think he is a solid guy and I feel bad for him honestly. If he does get another year I truly hope he succeeds.
You're not one of them. This is totally reasonable.
+a whole fucking bunch to you.
All I'm getting from this is "... not ... acceptable ..."
is at Michigan because he wanted to be there. Martin did not approach him. He approached Martin.
I was excited when the decision to hire him was made. I'm still excited now. Here's to hoping RR is our coach in 2011 and for years to come.
Does Josh Groban do a version of The Victors?
I don't mean that EVERY fan that is critical of him is a "hater" or thinks he's "scum of the earth", but there are MANY out there that do. On talk radio, at my job, tweets from former players, media, within the program, ect... a lot of people just flat out hate him.
When you say people within the program, do you mean people currently within the program hate him? That can't be good for anyone.
I don't think the hate for him personally is as big as people think it is. People hate 3-9, 5-7, 7-5...0-3 vs MSU...0-3 vs OSU....the hate is then going to be directed at the man in charge, in this case, RichRod.
When he was hired to be hc he became a Michigan man like Bo was hired from the "outside".
Well I obviously have no inside info or anything, but from what has been said on here before, there sure sounded like there were people within the program that didn't like him and his coaching style when he was brought in.
That is because he was abrasive and hard to deal with. Some people didn't like his coaching style, and he was from Ohio. He wasn't beloved overnight.
If RR is good enough for Falk, he is good enough for me.
That game, which we could EASILY have quit and gone home with a high-scoring loss, was a major statement FORWARD for this program. Forget that we were "supposed" to win the game. The team, O and D, stuck it out together and played hard for each other AND the coaching staff. Denard was out, Tate fumbled his first play, and yet we rallied and won!
I see NO ISSUE with being a huge Jim Harbaugh fan AND pulling for RichRod to win at UM.
My senior year at UM, Jim Harbaugh hit John Kolesar for that beautiful 77-yd TD pass to clinch the win vs. OSU. Will always remember the guy fondly for that game.
All in for Michigan!!!!!!!
Would hiring Harbaugh been an attractive choice two or three years ago when Stanford had a losing record? It takes time to turn programs around especially when you change the offense so dramatically. People have to realize that hiring a coach that has a 11-1 record now doesn't necessarily mean the next year will have the same result. There is a process.
Great post.. I feel the same way
I understand the process regarding the offense. That makes sense. But th game of football is split into three sections.UM is substandard in two of them after three years. Overall progress is minimal or non-existent on defense.
Rich Rodriguez' biggest mistake was not doing an Urban Meyer and finding a Charlie Strong-tyope DC and letting that guy have all the say on defense from the get go. I firmly believe that if he had done that 08' would have been a 6-6 team, the next year 7-5 or 8-4, and this year 9-3. Defense can and does make that big of a difference.
I enjoy the offense immensely. I believe it can work in the Big Ten with some adjustments--some of which RR has already done. More I-form, could use TE's more, to name a few.I am confident tat RR would adjust this offense accordingly.
But that defense....good god. His downfall, if it should happen, will be because he fouled up the defense by some atrocious decisions. No process can fix those errors other than blowing up the whole defensive staff and doing what I said earlier. The thing Brandon has to ask is if this man(RR) can make the right choice?
"I think we might be going in a different direction," Brandon said after master of ceremonies Frank Beckmann suggested the team was headed to Arizona to play a Big 12 team.
Maybe Brandon knows where UM might be playing.
Gator Bowl Please.
We get chances in life to do the right thing. Everyday we get those opportunities and too many times we don't appreciate those opportunities. Here's a guy who came here and has given alot of himself unselfishly and has been rewarded with ugliness. if you don't agree with him that's fine but disagree with him respectfully. Don't write some ugly 'expose' that is supposed to sell papers; don't sit there on national TV before a huge rivalry game and wear a tie with the other teams colors. Pack your passive aggresive bullshit up and bury it because if you don't hve the balls to deliver a message with respect then the message isn't worth delivering. This person might not be what this program needs but let's not shrink to the depths that lower programs aspire to. Let's maintain a unique Michigan perspective which sets us apart from the others. We come to Michigan because of its unique reputation and anything that diminishes that reputation should propel us to do the right thing. A dialogue that disparages a persons reputation and character without foundation is an unworthy dialogue. Keep us better than Michigan State and Ohio State; keep us better than Alabama and Auburn; keep us better than USC and Stanford. We're a stellar university with outstanding academics and a reputation that is pristine. So take off your scarlet tie, look into the camera and give us a well founded opinion. If you can't do that your opinion isn't worth a shit..
Um, we're on probation thanks to RR. The school, to its credit, admitted as much. But I'm not sure why you're holding the guy up as a role-model. Take a breath.
No, we're on probation because the FreeP took a story about extra stretching and disciplining a player for skipping class in the offseason and stretched it into "Physical Training Death Camps"
to the school i love, and i love him for it. Go Blue baby!
Josh effin' Groban? This is embraced on the site that regularly turns to the Smiths?
Oh Mother, I can feel the soil falling over my head
See, the sea wants to take me
The knife wants to slit me
Do you think you can help me ?
. . .And I know it's over - still I cling
I don't know where else I can go
Over and over and over and over
Over and over. . .
I know it's over
And it never really began
Our coach criied and played a Josh Grobin song at the football bust. He also quoted the Grobin song. Does anyone else see something wrong with that?
This is really weird, and yes I find it really weird. Why is he reaching his hands to the skies, and forcing the team to do it as well? Creepy.
said he was a scholar. Lion KIng, Josh Groban, etc. etc. We hired a hillbilly and that's what we've got. Can't blame him for that. That's just who he is.
Personally, I'd prefer a quote from a classic, or whatever, Lloyd style. I don't think we're gonna get that anytime soon.
Do you think maybe he was getting choked up because he knows how close the program is to becoming great, but he knows that his time is coming to an end at this great university? Just an interesting thought to ponder
you're right about Michigan being on the verge of being a great team (say, next year?), but let's hope you're wrong about Rich Rod's time coming to an end.
Also, I hope DB and the media's fucking around doesn't lose Dee Hart. DB doesn't listen to fans, but maybe he should listen to one of the best recruits of the era.
Just by looking at the recruits he has coming in for next year, Does anyone think that THEY are going to take this 120th ranked defense and make it the 50th ranked "d" in the country? They will still be FRESHMAN! Just like we had this year. So the recruitment by this man I question. Although I think the guy has got something to offer, I just think if he had a glimmer of hope coming from the defense next year it would help quit this inferno about his job. But we don't have anything to hang our hats on. I still think RR is a good person and this needs to be settled sooner than later.
10 of 11 returning starters. Considering Woolfolk replacing Rogers, that means we only lose Mouton since Demens took over for Ezeh. Maybe 10 of 12 if you count Banks as a starter. My hope is that most of the D recruits from this year don't even play...you know, the way it should be had we had depth and all. Think of all the experience the young guys got this year (Avery, Talbott, CJohnson, TGordon, CGordon, Vinopal, Christian, Black). You can think their contributions this year will be the same in every subsequent year, but I think those players will continue to get better. Most players improve as they age through college.
Did you have to ruin the moment?
Right and the Freshmen from this year will be Sophmores and better and the Sophmores from this year will be Juniors and better.
That's how it works. People have this misguided notion that a great recruiting class turns around a program right away. It doesn't, and that's why the "we need to recruit more defense" meme is completely misguided. Upperclassmen, especially on defense, are generally the reason the team wins or loses.
None of Rodriguez's defensive recruits are Juniors yet.
Link to Ann Arbor.com article.
“My name is Rich Rodriguez, I’m honored to be the football coach at Michigan. I hope you realize I want to be a Michigan man.
We don’t compare eras. Even though we want to rely on the past, we don’t say ‘this era was better.’ .... I’m proud to brag on the 90s or the 80s, but we all need to be one Michigan.
"Sometimes we’re evaluated strictly on wins and losses. “hat’s OK. I’m a big boy in a big-boy world. I understand that. Our players understand. My wife understands it and my 14-year-old daughter and 12-year-old son understand. That’s the world we live in."
RR gets it. This shows that he is in touch with reality. I'm amazed that some of his supporters don't realize that W/L is a metric (one of many possible) used to evaluate a coach.
many of his supporters, like myself, get that W/L is a metric. We also see improvement as the number of wins and the quality of the team improves.
7-5 + bowl game
Overall (15-21 + bowl game and trending upward)
We're not ready to hang with the big boys but we have been recruiting with them or better and as our players mature, we will be able to compete with them. The defense will improve because of having more practices and reps and film study.
META: When you make statements like this it sounds, to those of us who disagree with you, like you actually think we're ignoring the data and we're just part of some cult that loves RR because he "aw shucks" us. It's very frustrating.
Coaches with a 3 year trend of exactly 3 wins, 5 wins, and 7 wins will, on average, have roughly 6.5 wins in their fourth season. The range goes from a low of 4 wins to a high of 10. Please do not use past performance data in football to extrapolate to future performance. It's fine as an analytical tool for evaluating past performance. It is not useful as a mathematical model to extrapolate to future performance.
When I heard about him quoting 'You Raise Me Up', I could only think of this.
I appreciate his passion, but he may be starting to snap under the weight of the pressure.
That's it. If RR is fired UM will still be my first love, but whatever team RR goes to will be my second love and I'll cheer like hell for them too.